Is Horror Dead? A Poll...


I have continued to watch The After Dark Horrorfest, for the last 2 years.

I've been almost entirely disappointed, but being a young aspiring filmmaker, I'm intrigued by these experiments in low budget territory and I realize that films have a lot of obstacles to overcome.

I just barely started watching this years festival with Perkins 14,(I'm about 30 minutes into it) and it feels like 8th graders making a parody of a psychological thriller. Who knows, maybe it will turn around, but I'm doubtful.

Obviously everyone here has some opinion about modern horror films, and so I'm posting this as a poll to gauge your thoughts on the state of horror today. I'm currently working on my own sci-fi/horror film, and so your input is greatly appreciated.

Answer any or all of these:

1. What do you think makes a good horror film? Cite examples.

2. What are your favorite horror films of the last 5 years? Be honest!

3. What do you think needs to be improved? (Be specific not just "writing, acting, etc.")

Thanks in advance, and I hope to get some thoughtful answers from you guys, and will eventually write some of my own.

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That is more of a Film and Lit 201 mid-term question than a "poll". Maybe you should "eventually write some of your own" first, before coming up with the rest of your exam.

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Q: 1. What do you think makes a good horror film? Site examples.
A: If it can make you scare at any cost.

Q: 2. What are your favorite horror films of the last 5 years? Be honest!
A: Texas Chainsaw Massacre both versions, Wrong Turn

Q: 3. What do you think needs to be improved? (Be specific not just "writing,
acting, etc.")
A: More scary moments

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I'm bored...so i'll answer.

Q: 1. What do you think makes a good horror film? Site examples.

A: Complex characters and situations grounded in as much reality as possible.

Q: 2. What are your favorite horror films of the last 5 years? Be honest!

A: The Mist and The Descent. I'd say The Others as well...but that film has been out longer than 5 years I think...

Q: 3. What do you think needs to be improved? (Be specific not just "writing,
acting, etc.")

A: Better writing for sure. A good horror movie doesnt have to mean buckets of blood. It has to make you feel for the characters involved so that you actually fear for them. Sorry but teen slasher flicks and torture porn = bad horror.







I know one thing baby...you will survive.

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1. The film needs to have a good story, good writing and good acting to begin with, and to make it good horror it needs to really scare you and creep you out on a subtle and deeper level than just showing you an ugly ghost or a hideous slasher dude and saying LOOK! BE SCARED AT THIS THING!

2. Paranormal Activity, House of the Devil, Drag Me to Hell, Them (Ils), Antichrist (I can't remember all of the recent horror movies I've seen, I don't usually waste my time with them)

3. EVERYTHING! These retard directors need to learn that gore isn't scary, it's just gross. They need to remember that audiences need to use their heads and think, instead of being fed computer generated images and buckets of very fake blood and food used for guts. The acting and writing really need improvement as well.

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If you are refering to 'The Others'. Thats not a remake. Its more an interpretation or 're-imagining' of the original 'The Turn of the Screw' novel.



I know one thing baby...you will survive.

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Horror isn't dead, it's just buried under an overwhelming pile of pure crap.


1. What do you think makes a good horror film? Site examples.

Suspense. The mind creates something more grisly and horrific than any film can capture. Films don't have to show torture porn/gore, they just have to give enough of an idea of what was going on. That's why The Night of the Living Dead, Shining, Psycho, Alien, etc etc will always remain superior thrillers/horrors. Because they were more about suspense and hiding the gore than an all out bloodfest. And explains instant wide success of Blair Witch, The Ring, etc while reiterations of Saw, Hostel, etc just dwindle off and do poorly.

2. What are your favorite horror films of the last 5 years? Be honest!

28 Days Later. I Am Legend. The Devil's Backbone.

3. What do you think needs to be improved? (Be specific not just "writing, acting, etc.")

Almost everything done under the sun has been depicted in films. But there's always a new way to tell an alien, ghost, zombie, witch, vampire or bug story. It's all about presenting it in a new way and making it suspenseful enough to be a good ride.

I Am Legend and 28 Days Later are spectacular, but they took zombies (or vampires in the book) to a new level. They weren't slow and dumb.. they were fast, full of rage and scary. If there's a madman, he can be scary without dumping buckets of goo all over the actors. The scariest villains were terrifying by being crazy - Jack Nicholson, Gary Oldman, Kevin Spacey, etc.


There is a lot of room for alien horrors. We've got the Alien series, V, Predator, and War of Worlds? There's just so much you can do with that genre.

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1. What do you think makes a good horror film? Site examples.

A: Characters that aren't overly annoying and maybe even caring for one of the protagonists, intense situations, i.e. feeling like you've just been put through the wringer once you turn the movie off.

2. What are your favorite horror films of the last 5 years? Be honest!

A: These are recent movies I've seen, not 100% sure if they were made in the last 5 years though:

*Severance(10/10 for fun & gore)
*Haute Tension (for pure intensity)
*Saw franchise (aw crap, did this just blow my credibility? LOL, sorry but I love imaginative torture)
*28 Days Later (Cool twist on zombie movie)
*Frontier(s) (I guess if I had to think of a 5th one I'd pick this one but it definitely didn't live up to the hype)

3. What do you think needs to be improved? (Be specific not just "writing,
acting, etc.")

A: I'm not really clear on what this question is asking for.

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Beware the diatribe...

I agree with alot of what's been said here. Here are my thoughts:


(1) I guess my biggest problem might be with defining the word "Horror" itself. For me I've never cared for gore. I like something that's creepy, I don't care if it's dark, but I get really tired of the constant pig entrails falling out of people and bloody flesh dripping from the mouths of people or creatures. I especially can't take the sound effects (all that gooshing stuff). I guess I'm a less is more type guy. To me horror is things that SCARE me, not things that completely go over the top ridiculous to overcome a lack of story.

This is why I have the question if horror is dead, because it seems like all the scares are gone and all that is left is the gore. I watched the two sequels to 'Feast' recently, and this is exactly what I'm talking about. The film was nothing but one shocking moment after another. I'm not sure if there is anything left to be scary. So I agree with the stuff you guys said, that story, and strong character development (so we care about the people in peril) are what's important. Not only that but visual storytelling: editing, setting the right tone, and technical prowess are the best ways to pull that off. Also, acting is huge. You have to cast talent, even it means they're not the most attractive people in the world.

That being said here are the movies of the last 5 years that I think have pulled it off fairly well.

(2)
1. '28 Days Later' - This movie was intense. I remember not being able to catch my breath while watching it in the theater. Not only that but it certainly didn't rely on gore. There was gore in it, but it was there to amplify the story, not to make up for a story that was lacking.

2. '1408' - I thought 9/10 of this movie was great. It got a little ridiculous toward the end, but it was an almost entirely enjoyable experience and the scares were there, without it being a gorefest!

3. 'Audition' - Ugh! This one creeps me out! Maybe I can't count this because it wasn't made in the last 5 years, but close enough.

4. 'The Others' - Great aesthetic, and chills.

5. 'The Ring' - Yes, The Ring... I said in my original post to be honest about what was scary, and to me this was scary. It was all about the mood Gore Verbinski set up. I also thought 'The Grudge' was pretty good too. After that, the "J Horror" remake craze just kind of petered out (Thank goodness), but these two, (The Ring especially) were effective. Also, it's probably a cultural thing, but I feel this is better than 'Ringu', the original, because I just laugh when it's an incredibly tense moment and then I hear the words "mushi mushi". Also, the sequel to the American version SUCKED!

Others I enjoyed:

'The Exorcism of Emily Rose' - Not particularly a fan of movies that deal with Satan, but this was profoundly creepy. And for some dumb reason I watched it alone in my room at 2 in the morning.

'Quarantine' - I'm sad to say I haven't seen "[Rec]" so maybe the original is better, but I thought this was very good. Also, I saw it in a theater, which I think is the only place to see horror movies, to realize their full impact.

'The Strangers' - Loved this one. I thought they pulled it off brilliantly. I also thought 'Funny Games' (again I've only seen the American version) did a good job of this as well.

'The Mist' - This one was kind of a downer, but it was still cool. I'm looking forward to 'Cell' also. I'm not however looking forward to Eli Roth directing it.

(3) I think that most horror movies have something fun about them that makes me want to watch them (with the exclusion of Feast 2 and 3 which had nothing I ever want to see again), but unless they get a little smarter, and a little less putrid I'm going to be watching less of them.

Films that did a horrible job:

1. 'Feast 2 and 3'. (Have I mentioned these two yet?) The two biggest things that irked me about these movies...besides everything...was the lack of ANY likable characters! There was NO ONE to root for. Forget the fact that half of them were Gulager's lame wad family members. Then it just became a freak show of one gross event after the other.

2. 'Perkins 14' - Oh goodness. Pacing, and dialogue were the worst thing with this one. Casting was also a huge problem. Is that really supposed to be the lead?

3. The 'Saw' Movies. I just don't care for torture films (porn) at all.

As far as the After Dark Films go, these are the only ones I kind of liked:

'The Hamiltons'
'Mulberry Street'
'Wicked Little Things'
Parts of 'Gravedancers' were good.
'From Within' was pretty good.

So this is what I think. What do you think?

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1. What do you think makes a good horror film?
Atmosphere, immersion, creepiness and/or brutality factors.

2. What are your favorite horror films of the last 5 years? Be honest!
- [REC]
- Splinter
- Cookers
- The Signal
- 1408


3. What do you think needs to be improved? (Be specific not just "writing, acting, etc.")
MORE LATEX/PROSTHETICS....LESS CGI!
Horror relies way tooo heavily on CGI these days and for me it just doesn't do it.



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Q: 3. What do you think needs to be improved? (Be specific not just "writing,
acting, etc.")

A: Writers should be avoiding trends and go with an original idea, rather than jumping on the torture/______ of the dead/asian-inspired themes.

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1. What do you think makes a good horror film? Site examples.

I personally enjoy a good plot that involves a thought provoking concept, something that makes it hard to watch the screen yet enables a good debate with friends after watching it, for example the original dawn of the dead/day of the dead etc, they had gore and a topical situation at the same time ie consumerism.

2. What are your favorite horror films of the last 5 years? Be honest!

I really like the children, mirrors, an american crime (not quite horror, but had horrific scenes)

3. What do you think needs to be improved? (Be specific not just "writing, acting, etc.")

I get really annoyed at the predictibility of most modern films, 'oh look suspenceful music, ooh someone walking slowly towards something...oh a jumpy bit' yawn, whilst watching horrors i find myself knowing what will happen next and not caring when it does happen. older horror films is still the same but they wrote the book on it, when they were first released no one would predict what was about to happen coz it was new, i was newer horror films wrote a new book on whats scary and suspenceful, instead of drolling out the same old cliche's.
im would also like to see more originality in plots, slashers are all the same, evil dude kills over sexed, over doped up teenagers, but one or possibily two, usually the smart sensible one in the group, manages to kill said evil dude... come on writers! give us something new to watch! that said i do enjoy slahser films lol.



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It doesn't matter what we want, or if we think it is good. People will still write, direct, and star in horror films, and we will still watch them. As long as mainstream, or independent, cinema is reaching their target demographic, they don't care.

Look at SAW. When i saw it opening night, i thought of it as something refreshing, that would help modern horror [much like Scream did in 96]. But it turned into mainstream *beep* starting production on sequel after sequel before the DVD even debuts, with diminishing returns at box office and DVD sales, and downward quality of writing, acting and directing. I dont even feel like watching Saw anymore, just because of how the sequels turned out.

What modern horror needs is a jump start. A new 'Michael Myers'. An anomolly. Something that hardcore horror fans can actually connect with. scratch away all the *beep* 'based on true events' to sell tickets [for instance, Leatherface is based off Ed Gein, who killed almost nothing like his big screen counterpart], no more remakes and reboots, and throw a twist in there. Not the twist endings, but have a guy be the protagonist. Let the killer murderlize everyone. Or, hell.. make a good, mainstream stand alone movie with no series of sequels following it.

Or just something fun. Like how Crank is for action. Some adrenaline pumped *beep* ride. What really comes to mind is Feast. Some depth.

But, this will never matter unless a studio executive fields a question like this, to the fans.

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Is horror dead? No. Horror cinema is an art and like all art it is subjective.

Q1. I like horror films that have a story to tell. This means that I am not necessarily looking for blood and guts.

Q2. The Signal
The Exorcism of Emily Rose
Behind the Mask: The Rise of Leslie Vernon
The Hamiltons
The Midnight Meat Train

Q3. I am a life long horror fan and I really do not have any complaints. I would like to see more independent films get wider releases. This is why I love Horrorfest.

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I haven't seen "The Children", "Leslie Vernon", "The Signal" or "Midnight Meat Train", but I plan on it.

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I know what you mean about the OCD so I'm going to go back and fix it, but now it's going to bug me when everyone posts what I wrote. Yeesh.

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I'm just going to mention some of the recent horror flicks I've really enjoyed, some are repeats that others have already brought up:

The Devil's Backbone (this isn't even just a good horror film, this is just a great film, in general)

Let The Right One In (but try and find a version with the theatrical subtitles, they changed the subs for the DVD)

The Orphanage (again, this wasn't too scary, there were some creepy parts, but I just thought it was a good movie)

[REC] was phenomenal. I haven't seen the remake, but it looked like it was just a shot for shot remake (that gave away too many great parts in the trailer).

The Signal (scary, then hilarious, then *beep* WEIRD, but I dug it. On a side note- I met two of the directors and they were really cool guys)

Behind the Mask: The Rise of Leslie Vernon (there's some crappy acting from some of the side characters, but the guy who plays Leslie is AMAZING and made me want to just watch that character constantly. I hope they do a sequel.)

Hard Candy (pretty much only two characters the entire time, but it works so well and has a chilling ending)

As a kind of odd choice:

Coraline (I know, I know, it's a kids movie. However, kids need some scary movies, as well, and I know, if I were a kid in the audience during this, I probably would have been scared *beep* The 3D definitely helped with the creepiness of everything.)





Notice that an overwhelming number of these films are foreign films. I'm more accommodating than others with my foreign flicks as I was raised watching foreign language movies from early on in my life. I also think there's probably something chilling about watching a film in another language. I remember watching The Host for the first time with subtitles and thinking it was pretty decent, if a bit cheesy. Then I watched it with a few friends who preferred the dubbed version, which I found turned the film into something unbelievably hilarious. I don't know, maybe it's just something with me.



Oh, and not really a horror film, but really interesting nonetheless (I'd consider it more of a thriller), but you should check out "Kontroll". It's a pretty crazy story that takes place in the Budapest subway system and has some pretty intense moments and a mindfrak of a plot.

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Best movies listed here so far...

The Orphanage (or The Devil's Backbone)

Let the Right One In

28 Days Later

What do these all have in common? They were made in other countries, and they have spectacular acting/Casting. Is it because 95% of the actors American horror filmmakers cast are AWFUL...

Also it could be that bad acting is harder to recognize in another language, or maybe that they lack the pretense, and overacting that most lame amateur american actors possess (primarily in Horror movies mind you).

Well, it could also be because the dialogue is AWFUL 95% of the time! So...

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Also I've been watching some of the films you guys mentioned, and let me add "The Children" right there with the best ones. It was pulled off very well.

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no more big budget horror? why?

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