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Why Elizabeth? Ending Spoilers

posted 15 years ago by xyrrus
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If Jenna dies in the fire and events flow normally after that, then eventually Sam would find out Rebecca cheated on him and that relationship would be over so the next girl in his life should be Anita... Elizabeth was never his love interest, she was only killed because Sam got involved in the beginning when she asked for his help. I suppose one could argue that he started dating Elizabeth as revenge and eventually fell in love? But he doesn't seem like that type so what gives?

[–] TheBlueHairKid 15 years ago

When Elizabeth was first introduced, as you can tell she wanted to spent time right away with Sam.

Anita was what he went to AFTER Rebecca died, so if she didn't die then he'd never meet Anita at all!

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[–] Sinnema 15 years ago

Yes, Anita and the four other women only met Sam in alternate timelines, which only his sister remembered. He met them all AFTER his sister had killed Rebecca and Elizabeth.

At the beginning of the movie, when only Rebecca had been killed, Sam never had much of a social life, and spent most of his time with his sister. Only AFTER Elizabeth showed up and convinced Sam to revisit Rebecca's murder, did Sam's sister have to go back, change the past by killing Elizabeth, too, and then change the past half a dozen more times as Sam kept meeting more women, taking him away from his sister.

But with his sister out of the picture, and Elizabeth still alive, they would eventually get married and have a daughter, so Sam would never meet any of the women his sister killed after killing Elizabeth in the alternate timelines.

[–] EgyGirl 13 years ago

If Sam hadn't jumped back to go and save Rebecca, his relationship with Elizabeth would have developed and she would have become his gf. Jenna might have felt it when Sam insisted on helping Elizabeth finding the killer and that's why she jumped and killed her in the past.
Then Anita would come in Sam's life after Elizabeth's murder. Notice that both women are in order of death and perhaps relationship; Elizabeth is victim no. 2 and Anita is 3
Now in the alternate happy world, Rebecca should be alive and with Lonnie, and Sam is married to Elizabeth (who's no. 2 for this reason) as it was supposed to happen had Rebecca lived and Sam moved on after discovering she cheated on him.

Also, at the v. beginning, Sam didn't have any gfs after Rebecca and had rejected Vicki who's no.8.
Does this make more sense? This is my opinion and how I understood it.

[–] goaddict 15 years ago

First of all movie was good. The subject is very interesting and it's hard to make a movie about it without holes. This one doesn't lack any.
for example. why not jump in time before the fire started and save the whole family?!!?! i mean that's a major one!
instead he jumps exactly at the time of the fire leaving him the option the save only his sister or his parents, 'cause by saving his sister he somehow causes his parents death and i didn't see anything in the film that can relate those two things

film is ok, but it could of been a lot better;)

[–] DaneSUP 15 years ago

He realized how screwed up everything got when he left his sister alive, so he jumped back and let it play out how it was supposed too.

Even though it still screwed things up in the end like always, his daughter.

[–] CazRaX 10 years ago

The first time he saved his sister he came in from the outside of the room (ladder and window) and pulled her out and while he was doing this the parents were going around looking for both of them and died of suffocation. His sister was crazy and he didn't see much choice in whether to kill her or let her live, I'm thinking his thought patterns were "let her and parents live and she might end up killing others or kill her now and remove her possible kills completely." He made a difficult choice but it was the one he thought was right.

[–] jeyc14 15 years ago

It's also possible that with the timeline without a Jenna, he never even dated Rebecca. Perhaps Elizabeth was the one he was supposed to end up with all along.

[–] skodesigns101 15 years ago

Notice how Jenna was on the bed when she originally died. My theory was that when Sam jumped, Jenna jumped into the past with him and when she was struggling to get out, Sam killed her. My original theory and makes more sense than the 2nd, is that when he killed his sister, she came back reincarnated as the daughter of Sam.

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[–] scarletminded 13 years ago

There is nothing written in stone that Sam will meet Rebecca and fall in love with her. Maybe once he killed his sister, as opposed to she naturally dying in the fire, he ended through a series of events in love with Elizabeth instead. He might have known both sisters, much like Evan in the first film knew the same people, but his love interest ended up with his friend in one time loop.

There is a difference between a sister dying in a fire and you personally killing your sister in a fire and not being able to tell anyone. Even that small action to lead to Sam having mental health issues or worse as opposed to just feeling bad he couldn't save her from her natural death. I could see him hooking up with Elizabeth more in that case, since she seems sympathetic because of her trying to help Lonnie since he was innocent. Or maybe like Evan, though the movie doesn't show this, he holds memories of past time loops and remembers what Rebecca did to him and ends up with Elizabeth instead.

What keeps Sam from not remembering why he killed his sister...then jumping back again to save her? In the first movie, Evan has some memories of where he has been...Sam seems to have none...yet at the same time he does. There seems to be no rule to it. But if he had no memory, then he might jump back in time to save her again unless by killing her he creates a loop where he never had any time travel powers but his daughter gets them.

Anything is really possible in this film. It doesn't have many firm rules. The original movie had some plot holes, but this one is almost all plot hole.