horrible disappointment


I watched this tonight and all I could think was "this is horrible". I've been waiting for Netflix to release this for a while. I've seen a few of Herzog's films and documentaries and I have generally enjoyed them. I am a huge David Lynch fan and when it came and I saw his name on the jacket, and the plethora of respected names I told myself "I'm in for a treat!"

The film went nowhere, no plot. I've read the Oresteia and I know there was supposed to be symbolism, but it was horribly done. Okay, fine. I've seen lots of films with no plot. But when you have no plot, there's at least character development. I think of Bergman's Persona which is incomprehensible at times but haunting and emotional. I get lost in the characters even though I have no idea what's going on. In this film, most of the dialogue is pointless drivel. It makes me not care about any of the characters. Vagueness should not be confused for profundity. That is what the dialogue in this movie seemed to me. Razzle dazzle nothingness. Empty words with no meaning behind them.

In an essay by Joseph Conrad on art, he claims that the purpose of art is to evoke emotion. To create a sort of universal human experience, to make you feel something. You can see that throughout literature, film, photography, painting etc. I come back to Bergman and his dark philosophical films. Or Kieslowski, and the sublime beauty in his films that brings tears to your eyes. Or even David Lynch, whose quirky weirdness makes his films seem like surreal nightmares. Herzog has some amazing films like Stroszek, Aguirre the Wrath of God. Slow movies to be sure, but fascinating nonetheless. There is nothing like that here. No emotion evoked. No beauty, happiness, horror, fear, disgust--nothing at all. How is a film that doesn't evoke any emotional response from the audience supposed to be entertaining? Is the point to draw attention to the fact that it's only a film? It's been done before in better, more entertaining ways ways. A character study? The characters have no depth, as empty as the dialogue. So before you go telling me "go watch your Michael Bay movies!" or "you obviously didn't understand what they were trying to do", I understood and I still think it sucks. Major loss of respect for Herzog for directing this, and Lynch for producing this.

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There is nothing like that here. No emotion evoked. No beauty, happiness, horror, fear, disgust--nothing at all. How is a film that doesn't evoke any emotional response from the audience supposed to be entertaining?


Speak for yourself.

"You wouldn't know crazy if Charles Manson was eating Fruit Loops on your front porch."

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No, he speaks for me as well, this movie was boring, stupid, and painful. Lynch is my favorite director, and I love Shannon, Herzog and Dafoe, but this just seemed to be a collaboration for the sake of working together with all this talent, completely oblivious to how insanely poor the script was. Just brutal.

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Well he certainly doesn´t speak for me, either. It´s one of the funniest films I´ve seen in a long time and, in some weird way, Herzog´s portrayal of insanity feels very much authentic.



"facts are stupid things" - Ronald Reagan

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Totally agree franz. Funniest movie i've seen in ages. The OP seems to have missed the humour, which is of course an emotional reaction in itself. I love the way this film manages to be both disturbing and funny simultaneously, which is something Herzog may have refined from working with Lynch.




"This sounds like a dialogue from our script!"

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I hated this movie, skipped chapters and didn't miss much. Would not reccomend this movie at all. Boring, boring and boring.

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The worst movie I have seen in quite a long while.

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You obviously didn't "understand what they were trying to do." Don't respond, cause your breath stinks. your a loser, you hobo!!

H.W.

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I bought the supposed weirdness of the movie.
But what annoyed me much about this is simply
the way story told. It was funny that they were talking about
all that happened in a hostage situation, just for the sake of a narration structure.

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one of the worst, boring and pointless movies i've seen... and no, i'm not a hipster, so i dont HAVE to like it.. it sucks. period.

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I actually liked it because I found it to be unintentionally hilarious. By the end of the movie I was losing it.

Freak out in a moonage daydream oh yeah!

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Are you sure the parts you thin are hilarious were unintentionally so?

I also think that a lot of stuff in this movie is hilarious in the same way as in most other Werner Herzog films.

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It doesn't take a genius to realize that this film is pretty weak. I don't see any of this supposed "intentional" humour (unless you think a mentally unstable man asking his negociators for pizza is funny). The dialog is clumsy and at times downright silly. The atmosphere only works half the time and the symbolism is pretty superficial and forced.

Don't get me wrong, I love Herzog (and Lynch - who, besides lending his name to the production and perhaps getting Grace Z to appear, has nothing to do with this film as many of you seem to think), but I believe he's been misfiring for years now with his fiction films. I can sense that he is trying to get that authentic Herzog vibe here with his trademark quirky and/or insane protagonist doing strange and unimaginable things in a calculated pace and moody atmosphere, but there's too little chemistry and clumsy moments to give off any sparks with this one. Which is a shame. I still buy all his film out of respect, but besides a few of his docs, nothing seems to really stand out anymore.

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My thoughts exactly. Especially the "empty" parts. This film was like chewing on cardboard.


**Skin that Smokewagon and see what happens!** Tombstone

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