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The makers of this clearly didn't understand Donnie Darko.


The thing is with the first Donnie Darko was, it was based around him having died to the jet engine from the future and so it would cause the world to end, because the sequence of events (flooding the school, killing frank etc) wouldn't happen and so neither would the jet engine, and so if that happened the world would've ended due to a hole in the space time contiuum. And so they start off by saying 'IN THE LAST ONE DONNIE DARKO DIED', true enough you see him dying at the end but that was just showing you the alternate reality, they all wake up and they all seem to know it's the end of the world, but as I said that was just the alternate reality, the real reality was at the start where he was out when the jet engine hit his room and thus allowed it once again to go back in time. *gasps for breath*

therefore if they are trying to say Donnie had died in the last one they clearly didn't understand the concept because in the reality in which Donnie dies, the world ends.

Dumb hollywood.

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Dude. Wtf? the fact that Donnie dies prevents the world from ending. The whole movie was dreamlike to him, so when he wakes up and stays to die by the jet engine he is choosing to give his life for the world to exist. The concept is that in the reality in which Donnie dies, the world goes on.

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I disagree, if Donnie Dies, it would prevent the jet engine from going back in time at all causing the world to end via a hole in the space time contiuum.

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Yeah. Even the Director says Donnie had to die. Thats the whole point of the movie. Either your trolling, or you really didn't what this movie was all about. Everyone was living in an infinate loop until the Manipulated Dead (Frank) could set an insurance trap (Gretchen dieing) that would force Donnie to send the Artifact (jet engine) back in time. Doing so though would mean his own death.

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Well if that be the case it contains more holes that way. For a start, if you personally cause an artifact to go back in time which then kills you then you wouldn't exist in the future to cause the artifact to go back in time therefore it wouldn't happen.

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Why don't you read the FAQ of Donnie Darko, it will explain everything to you.

That doesn't mean that the plot of S.Darko made any sense, though.

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exactly

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There aren't any infinite loops and Donnie didn't have to die; it was a consequence of sending the Engine back to the Primary Universe.

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So if the Manipulated Dead was trying to get Donnie to send back the engine to kill himself why did the same Manipulated Dead save Donnie from that same engine in the first iteration of the time loop we see?

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Exactly. I don't think even the director of DD knew what the story was. If the manipulated dead never bothered Donnie in the first place he would've died like he was 'supposed to.' No wonder people are confused.

This is like a guardian angel rescuing you from drowning and then...

DD is a movie that is illogical so it defies analogy. You should post your complaint on the DD board so all the whack jobs will flip their wigs trying to make all of that make sense. They may even recommend a "book" to read, too!

FYI: if you need a book to understand a movie, the movie didn't do its job. End of story.

I do like DD but not for it's logic, inspire of it.

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Neither one of you understands Donnie Darko. There is no time loop, although yes, Donnie does have to die. It's not a time loop, but a parallel universe which is opened up by the jet engine (The writer/director of DD said there was o time loop)

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"the world from ending"
"the world to exist"

Whaaaaaaaat?

The movie don't talk about the end of the earth... the movie talks about the end of his world!!!

I am the only one that unsderstand Donnie darko?

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I don't think you understand Donnie Darko either.

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I don't think you understand WHO the writer of this is.

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...You make no sense and are obviously being thrown into your own demensions. haha.
Here's what you're saying..
"donnie, you can choose to die or live, if you live, everything goes on, if you die, the world ends."
*pause*
"I think I'll go die."

^that makes no sense. haha.
Please get your facts and intellect straight before you try to make someone else look stupid.
:)


"So put your mouth on the curb, and lick my toes through the back of your skull."

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Well if you were unselfish, dying for the sake of everyone else survivng does make sense.

However, he did survive and by not dying the world was ok.

I guess it's the same with all time travel, it has zany paradoxes.

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You are completely ass-backwards there, boss.
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I am going to be a little off topic but time travel paradoxes aren't valid since time is to put it simply 2 dimensional so alternating it doesn't end up in paradoxes. For example if i go into the past and kill myself doesn't create a paradox since even if i am back in time i am not in the same timeline so it doesn't affect me in the original timeline.

You know all the "you can't go into the past and kill yourself because you wouldn't be able to go there in the first place" *beep* There are many timelines concurrent at the same time (or dynamically created if you wish even thou it can't be put this simply its one of those topics that can't be described using common logic) but it can't be observed, actually it can at subatomic level but even that is mostly hypothetic and not fully measurable at this time.

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Alternate 1985 Marty... seriously catch up...

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Donnie died, He is dead. His death allowed the world we know to keep spinning. It was a sacrifice for the good of mankind.....but in the movie, at the very end he dies! Nuff said!

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No it didn't. What allowed the world to keep spinning was the return of the Artifact to the Primary Universe. It is completely irrelevant whether he lives or dies in the PU.

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I just watched an episode of stephen hawkings new show where he discusses a similar paradox! In it a scientist opens a wormhole that goes back one minute in time. He then assembles a gun. Then he goes and looks through the wormhole and sees himself assembling the gun, he then shoots through the wormhole and kills himself before he finished assembling the gun. Paradox! Hawking concludes though that the paradoxes are simply impossible because time travel to the past is impossible. He says that if you opened a wormhole large enough to see/travel through the radiation would quickly cause it to collapse because of a feedback loop, like the radiation from the present would go through to the past so then in the present there would be even more radiation which would go through the wormhole so now there is even MORE radiation in the present and then that would go through the wormhole so there's MMOOOOOOOORREE radiation in the present until it just becomes too unstable and collapses.

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Stephen HAwking was a very smart man, but full of theories made of purely his own believes, which prove nothing.
Radiation made by time travel is just his own imagination why time travel couldn't exist. time travel in his mind can't exist (since it would be, by his understanding full of paradoxes), therefore there has to be some explanation why it couldn't exist, so lets invent some radiation theory to make my theorem realistic...

I believe that human mind is simply made in 3 dimensional space (4 dimensional if we include time) world, which is incapable of understanding more than 4 dimensions, no matter what scientific progress and knowledge we will ever have.

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You should watch understanding the 10 dimensions on youtube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gg85IH3vghA

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You know that multi dimensions, strings and multiverses are BS. So it dark matter and dark energy. Read up on Tesla and I think he had better ideas than all this trash cosmology in the end.

If space time douches and cosmologists build a working fusion reactor, I might think they have a grasp on reality to start talking about space time. Before that, they are full of trash. From grand-unified einstein to witten, its junk bunk.

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You're either trolling or remembering the whole movie wrong. As many other people have said, Donnie's living causes the world to end, not his dying. Donnie lives at the beginning, then is told the world is going to end. When he dies, he saves the world.

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His dying does not cause the world to end... but neither does his living.

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I haven't seen the original Donnie Darko movie in years, but now I want to watch it again. I haven't read all of the director's info that some have talked about; this is just my interpretation from memory.

Here's what I thought was happening when I first watched it: Donnie was living in a time loop which started with the visitation from Frank getting him out of his house before the jet engine falls on it ~~ if he continued living, the world would keep repeating the same group of days that were marked off on his calendar, over and over again. But within each time loop he became more demented (causing the school flood, the fire, etc.) ~~ events became more convoluted until ultimately, his girlfriend dies. In other words, there are people in his life in the last loop who remember segments of earlier loops, but we don't actually see the earlier loops in the Donnie Darko movie; we just see the final loop before he realizes that he's been reliving the same days over and over again and understands that to set things right, he must make a sacrifice.

At that point, Donnie realized that he needed to be in the house when the jet engine crashed into it ~~ he realized at the end that his death would bring the world back to where it had been before the original visit from Frank when he escaped the house before the engine crashed.

The whole concept of the whole world ending or not ending is what I apparently missed upon my first viewing, which is why I am now eager to watch it again. I just thought of it as being "Donnie's world ending if he's in the house, or Donnie's world repeating in a month-long loop until he realizes that his apparent madness is caused by living in the repeating time-loop."

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>>not sure if serious<<

>>Squints eyes<<

>>or just trolling<<

~XTC

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Let me first clear up one thing. I have NOT seen S. Darko, so I'm largely in the dark about how the two relates other than this is about Donnie's sister.

However, allow me to correct you:

There are two timelines in Donnie Darko: The primary universe and the tangent universe.

The tangent universe is created when Donnie survives the crash in his bedroom. This universe eventually leads him to become the catalyst for the engine appearing in the primary universe in the first place. When he sends engine into the primary universe, he chooses to stay in bed, instead of sleepwalking, and in doing so, dies, destroying the tangent universe as if it never existed (since this is in the past, it's as if he never got out of bed and nothing after that ever happened).

This sets all paradoxes straight, except for a single one (non-existent engine which appears in the primary universe).

In conclusion, Donnie dies to protect the primary universe, and the tangent universe in which he survives no longer exists. So at the beginning of this movie, he would absolutely be dead.

*Insert obscure film quote here*

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It doesn't matter if Donnie Darko lives or dies in the PU. When he goes back to bed laughing, he's laughing because he has latent impressions of the events in the TU, just like the rest of people in the PU who constituted the manipulated living and dead in the TU (Jim Cunningham crying, Frank wiping his eye, etc.)

Donnie Darko saved the PU by sending the jet engine back from the TU. He dies in the PU because there is no manipulated dead (Frank) to save him like he was saved in the TU. The PU has already been saved, and time is moving forward again from the point at which the TU was created.

The extra engine is not a paradox in the PU because it came from the TU through a portal created by Donnie Darko. However, it does cause a lot of confusion in the PU. From the POTT:

"Artifacts returned to the Primary Universe are often linked to religious Iconography, as their appearance on Earth seems to defy logical explanation.

Divine intervention is deemed the only logical conclusion for the appearance of the Artifact."

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+1

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