that's what "objective" means; separate from personal opinion. It's not my view of the character any more than calling the sky blue is an opinion. It's an accurate description. If you believe the sky to be pink, and I'm saying that the sky is blue, that's not us having a difference of opinion, that's you being wrong.
You don't understand how art works, first of all. If other people don't agree with your interpretation of the character, that doesn't make them wrong.
And are you going to keep ignoring that the director of the movie insisted the audience has to make up their own minds?
Not to mention that "evil" is also subjective. We think humans killing seals is evil but polar bears killing seals is not evil. A lion hunting for food is not evil, but zebras would define that as pure evil.
Ok, I'll grant that if you don't believe in "evil," then calling Abby evil would be an "opinion." But the opinion part of it would be the philosophical position regarding the term "evil." Assuming that you have a reasonable definition of evil, Abby would qualify.
For example, Google defines evil as "profoundly immoral and malevolent." Now morality varies from place to place, but let's just say that immoral means falling below the standards of behavior acceptable to a reasonable person.
You are using real world definitions for fictional characters in a completely different situation. Doesn't actually apply. If a character like Abby or Eli existed, their standard of evil would be quite different than that of a human.
So don't just selectively use this on Abby and then give Eli a pass.
I got that from the fact that she killed him. I don't think I can explain it simpler than that.
I don't think you understand the scene if that's all you got out of it.
You really think she went to the hospital to kill Thomas? You completely missed the part where they touched foreheads and where it was
HIS idea for her to kill him? Not to mention that if she really wanted to be rid of him, she would just forget about him instead of going to see him in the first place.
You pretty much got the intent of the characters exactly backward. That's how hard you have to bend things to make your view work.
Not to mention that Eli also killed Haken if you want to play it that way. Except Eli had less reason to go to the hospital for Haken since they didn't have a history together. Maybe you are really describing Eli here?
See, that's why I accused you of being disingenuous: You claim multiple times that a kid like Owen could not be a helper and therefore Abby must have wanted Owen for companionship. But then you say that Eli is choosing Oskar to kill for her. How does that work? Isn't the fact that Eli chose Oskar an instance of her choosing someone because of love?
I'm not
claiming that Owen or the young Thomas couldn't kill for Abby...that's just a fact. They literally could not offer Abby anything else but companionship.
Well...that...and forcing her to live in close proximity to human beings thereby making her life
much harder than if she chose to live alone and not care for two young boys. There is seriously no logical way to make the "grooming" theory make sense.
So many contradictions to make it work. You are claiming that Abby doesn't mind killing...but then would go to all this trouble and put herself in great peril to get someone to do something she allegedly doesn't mind doing. Companionship is not her motive in your theory...but then she chooses companions who can offer nothing else and in fact would make her life much harder.
O...kay? I'm supposed to buy into
that?
Now...if
YOU want to believe a vampire can somehow take in a young boy and take care of him for years in the hope that he might grow up and kill for her...then you can't just suddenly exclude the Eli character. ...A character who
has a history of choosing companions to kill for him.
That's the difference between Abby and Eli. Abby has never done that. So if either of them is capable of grooming a young boy to be a future killer, Eli would be much more likely given his history.
If someone were to call Eli evil, I would say that Oskar is useless as a helper because he is a child. This would mean that Eli actually changed throughout the course of the story. If she were going through a "cycle" like Abby, she would not have come back for Oskar.
But you somehow ignore that Owen is not physically capable of being a helper and would in fact be a burden for Abby? ...And that Abby also came back for Owen?
And when Abby came back, she just burst in and saved Owen. She didn't sit there and watch the whole thing like Eli did. (He actually knew which bullies were involved and which were not) If there is any "manipulation" going on, it's clearly with Eli since he waited until the last second to save Oskar.
Like really....that's pretty messed up what Eli did. I can't think of a motivation for watching until Oskar was almost drowned other than manipulation.
When I call Abby evil, you cannot say that Owen is useless as a helper the same way that Oskar is because the photo is a change in LMI that did not exist in LtROI.
How does the photo which shows
another instance of Abby choosing a companion who is not physically capable of being a helper prove the
opposite in your mind?
Of the two, only one has ever picked a companion just to kill....that's Eli.
Thomas was a kid and he grew up to kill for Abby. That is the canon of the story.
And that's all. You don't know anything else. That's where interpretation comes in. You imagine that Abby cared for Thomas for years just to finally convince him to kill for her when he grew up. Ok...if that's what you want to believe. But then you want to claim your interpretation of something like that is a fact which others are "wrong" to not buy into. That just doesn't work.
I've gotta inject more logic into my interpretation. Obviously Thomas could not be a helper when he met Abby. He looks about 10 in the photo so she knew him for about a decade before he could really help her kill. She may have known him earlier than that as well so I could say she found an abandoned 5 year old and took care of him. Thomas would have been 5 years old around 1919.
Who's idea was it for Thomas to start killing? We don't know. Yet another interpretation. Yours is not "fact". We don't even know when he started. Was he 20? 25? 30? If he started at age 20 that means he's been killing for Abby for 40 years or more. (Jenkins was 63 when he filmed the role) I'm not buying that a person could kill for 40+ years against their will. Thomas is definitely beaten down by it all when we meet him. No kidding....40 years of that would wear anyone out. But if it takes 40 years for you to finally get tired of doing it...that says something about you.
If you go with Thomas starting much later....say he didn't start until he was 50. That certainly would not support any idea that they were only together for the killing.
A 50 year (at least) relationship doesn't sound plausible based upon just that. It's a far more complex relationship imo.
Whatever the reason, Abby is repeating something that she has done before, while Eli and Oskar are headed for something new.
More problems pop up with that claim too. Since Abby does everything a person would
NOT do in the movie if they were trying to trick someone. She shows Owen the picture, she openly rejects his advances, she does not watch Owen like Eli does with Oskar, she leaves him.
And then there is the stated fact from the director himself that Abby has a 12 year old brain. ....Which we know is not physically
capable of long range planning like that. And Reeves also made it a point to show the scene where Abby shows affection toward Owen when he was not looking and even cited his source for doing so...the movie
Klute.
So you can certainly stick with your interpretation, but it's not really logical and acting like everyone else is "wrong" for not buying your view is unsupportable.
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