Am I the only one who thinks that Owen... - Let Me In (2010) Discussion

[–] cassbtt 10 years ago

Another Brazil fan!!!??? Yes!

I know it's a terrible fate and I'm sure it is a theory that has been said before,

Yep.

but the train trip is his journey to the afterlife.

But that's a rather beautiful interpretation. Harpo I think talks about the condensation on the train windows resembling tears, and others have talked about the ethereal "brightening" of the scene as the Sun comes in to wash out the scene.

I like it!

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[–] masticoret9 10 years ago

@Cassbtt, Maybe the imagery is reversed. Maybe he's the one in the box and her being "undead" allows him to communicate with her from beyond the grave. The train is his mental interpretation of himself "moving" to become more like her. The windows rain is the tears of his loved ones at his funeral where he is envisioning all the train stuff and as he moves down to the bottom of his grave he visualizes a vehicle as it's the only other time he has felt that kind of motion. *beep* I am going down a rabbit hole of hypothetical. OR MAYBE, he's on a train with a box full of all 99 problems plus the one.

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[–] jidici 10 years ago

Which afterlife though? The fact that he's looking up at her, at her feet no less, is like looking up to his new master. Also the train trip doesn't really give me the warm fuzzies either. Cue up the AC/DC song.

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[–] HarpoSpoke 10 years ago

I don't think Owen ever made it out of the water in the pool. I think that the events with his Vampire Queen happened, then she left because of all the heat. He remembered her promising him she would be there if he couldn't handle the bullies, and during the last few minutes of life he had in him, his dying mind painted a macabre picture of revenge and salvation. It is my thinking that just like "Brazil" the truth and unfairness of the whole situation is beyond his ability to mentally accept. Then instead of watching his body in agonizing death throws and water laden gasps, he sees his beautiful savior. Decapitating his assailant, maiming the ones who did him wrong, and ending the despicable lives of those that deserved it. I know it's a terrible fate and I'm sure it is a theory that has been said before, but the train trip is his journey to the afterlife. Anyway, anyone else think this?

Ok...that's better than the idea that Owen made up EVERYTHING. I like it better when Abby actually exists at least. We never do actually see Abby's face at the pool either....was she really there?

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[–] masticoret9 10 years ago

@HarpoSpoke, I have liked one movie with an unreliable narrator (two if you consider "The Usual Suspects" in that genre) and it was "Fight Club". I hate when the twist is, "He was crazy the whole time!" it's just as bad as, "It was all a dream!" I wouldn't consider seeing the very real and documented dying hallucinations at the end of our protagonist's tale a "U.N." moment. So, I'll cut them some slack if that turns out to be the case. I just don't understand certain character motivations if she wasn't getting in the cab to leave for good. Why do that? Why trick the one person who gives a *beep* about you and knows your secrets. Especially when that person is by all rights an accomplice. So, he's not likely to give her up. Then you add his love for her and she's not got that to worry about. I think she thought he had finally taken up for himself enough to stand on his own two feet. To not lay down for the bullies like he had before her arrival. So, again I ask, why leave? Why put on the show of getting in the cab? Was it to fool the police and give them a lead to follow in the wrong direction? Did she not know the only real person that was looking for her was now dead? I am hyper analytical when it comes to this type of film. Which isn't a slam on the movie at all. If anything it's a positive. It didn't defy it's own rules and never failed at anything. It just has open ended questions that lead my mind down a circular track. So, let me walk down this road with Abby. She gets in the cab and waves goodbye to Owen. The next time we see her is at least one day later. So, did she get hungry in the cab and eat the dude that was driving? Did she then run back to find Owen because she realized she made him a promise and left prematurely? Then come back to find these *beep* drowning him? Then decide to find out exactly the liquid contents of the human body? I don't know obviously. I watched "Let the Right Ones In" years ago and never read the book, but this is all I can theorize if my original conjecture isn't the correct answer.

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[–] HarpoSpoke 10 years ago

I have liked one movie with an unreliable narrator (two if you consider "The Usual Suspects" in that genre) and it was "Fight Club". I hate when the twist is, "He was crazy the whole time!" it's just as bad as, "It was all a dream!" I wouldn't consider seeing the very real and documented dying hallucinations at the end of our protagonist's tale a "U.N." moment. So, I'll cut them some slack if that turns out to be the case.

In this case, it's just speculation. Not really based on anything concrete in the movie. You would have to turn the narrative around in your head to switch the movie from a vampire tale to a "it was all a dream" tale really.

I just don't understand certain character motivations if she wasn't getting in the cab to leave for good. Why do that? Why trick the one person who gives a *beep* about you and knows your secrets. Especially when that person is by all rights an accomplice. So, he's not likely to give her up. Then you add his love for her and she's not got that to worry about. I think she thought he had finally taken up for himself enough to stand on his own two feet. To not lay down for the bullies like he had before her arrival. So, again I ask, why leave? Why put on the show of getting in the cab? Was it to fool the police and give them a lead to follow in the wrong direction? Did she not know the only real person that was looking for her was now dead? I am hyper analytical when it comes to this type of film. Which isn't a slam on the movie at all. If anything it's a positive. It didn't defy it's own rules and never failed at anything. It just has open ended questions that lead my mind down a circular track. So, let me walk down this road with Abby. She gets in the cab and waves goodbye to Owen. The next time we see her is at least one day later. So, did she get hungry in the cab and eat the dude that was driving? Did she then run back to find Owen because she realized she made him a promise and left prematurely? Then come back to find these *beep* drowning him? Then decide to find out exactly the liquid contents of the human body? I don't know obviously. I watched "Let the Right Ones In" years ago and never read the book, but this is all I can theorize if my original conjecture isn't the correct answer.

There doesn't seem to be a "correct answer" really. Everyone seems to have their own interpretation of things. Perfect movie for people who like to analyze things.

Like me...I see a psychic connection between Owen and Abby. First she seems to know Owen is touching the wall without him knocking. Then they actually do share a psychic event in the deleted scene. So that explains to me why she came back....Owen was in trouble. I think she intended to leave. She appeared pretty serious about it in the "I have to go away" scene. I would assume killing a cop is going to bring more trouble...so getting out of town is a wise move.

I have no idea how long she was gone since the movie doesn't tell us. We also don't know where she went...it could have been in the wild outside Los Alamos. I'm also convinced Abby can go at least two weeks between feedings from the timeline in the movie. Unless some special evidence popped up, I doubt Owen would be seen as an accomplice in the Cop's death. (No DNA stuff in 1983 either) There is an advantage to being a skinny kid.

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[–] masticoret9 10 years ago

Ok, I'm with you on the psychic link. I never noticed that being implied before. I didn't mean to say from the police side of things he would be an accomplice, but that from Abby's pov she was being aided by this kid. So, it's not like he can turn the cops on to her without instigating himself. I just meant there wasn't a reason to worry about him ratting her out. I see now what you mean though. It is hard to fathom that if she were anywhere besides close by she could make it in time. I know she can move like the wind and has some super climbing ability, but how she could make it from more than a mile away to Owen in the time it takes the bullies to run everyone out of the pool to when Owen raises his head out of the water is hard to interpret without knowing more info. Anyways, I think I'm going to read the book now to see what is said about all the stuff you don't see.

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[–] HarpoSpoke 10 years ago

Ok, I'm with you on the psychic link. I never noticed that being implied before. I didn't mean to say from the police side of things he would be an accomplice, but that from Abby's pov she was being aided by this kid. So, it's not like he can turn the cops on to her without instigating himself. I just meant there wasn't a reason to worry about him ratting her out. I see now what you mean though. It is hard to fathom that if she were anywhere besides close by she could make it in time. I know she can move like the wind and has some super climbing ability, but how she could make it from more than a mile away to Owen in the time it takes the bullies to run everyone out of the pool to when Owen raises his head out of the water is hard to interpret without knowing more info. Anyways, I think I'm going to read the book now to see what is said about all the stuff you don't see.

The book can definitely give you food for thought. But there is almost nothing in it about the pool scene. You'll still be stuck making up your own mind about most other things too...cause Abby and the other four principles aren't really the same characters. (You'll see why)

Abby can fly too...but we don't know how fast. I've also wondered if she might have some precognitive ability too and "felt" that Owen was going to need her help.

You made me remember a detail I noticed about the aftermath of the Cop's death. Abby embraces Owen from behind and does not say "Thank you". I only really noticed that because the first movie contains that line. A "thank you" indicates the character believes they have been aided in some way. With Abby, that embrace seemed more like a gesture of comfort for Owen's distress to me

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[–] jamescraig2000 10 years ago

Yes that was implied in LTROI. Would make more sense than living and being the most wanted 12yr old taking a train ride.

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[–] rivarachel-1 10 years ago

Here is my non metaphorical explanation of the ending.

Yes, she must have heightened senses as well as a close connection with Owen. I don't know how many of the people on here have seen many other vampire movies, but many of them reveal the ability of vampires to see happenings at far distances.

So she saw what was happening to Owen. She obviously has incredible speed and the whole buildup took a few minutes before they tried to drown him, giving Abby plenty of time to get there.

Yes, she indeed saved him, and that was shown when he got out of the pool and saw her legs, but since Chloe was, what, 14 years old during this movie, that's all they could show of her because she would have been nude.

Next seen is Owen on a train and tapping or signaling to Abby the way they did when they lived in adjacent apartments. It was a beautiful movie except that I was saddened by he fact that Owen took the place of either Abby's brother, or someone like himself, and would grow old, while Abby continued to stay young.
Owen's job for the rest of his life, for the most part, would be to find food for Abby, as we saw the man she lived with in the beginning of the movie did (Yes, I should know the relationship but I don't).

Well, I personally thought everything was straightforward but still, this remake was a very beautiful and emotional movie for me.

It's a movie and they left it at a time when their ages were still close enough so the audiences would feel the romanticism without thinking of what would be with them in their next 40 years together.

I feel very strongly about my view and have always felt this way since the ending of the movie and reading all of these interpretations.

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[–] HarpoSpoke 10 years ago

Yes, she indeed saved him, and that was shown when he got out of the pool and saw her legs, but since Chloe was, what, 14 years old during this movie, that's all they could show of her because she would have been nude.

I think she was 12 when they filmed it...maybe turned 13 during filming. Something like that.

Not sure she would have been nude however. She flew from the hospital to Owen's bedroom and was wearing clothes.

It's a movie and they left it at a time when their ages were still close enough so the audiences would feel the romanticism without thinking of what would be with them in their next 40 years together.

Perfect place to leave it because the viewer takes it from that point and a wide variety of possible futures can be imagined.

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[–] cassbtt 10 years ago

that's all they could show of her because she would have been nude.

First I ever heard of that notion.

She was barefoot throughout the movie, which has been discussed plenty here. I also just realized maybe she has to be barefoot to do her vampire thing...?

Anyway, it reminds me of a cute scene I had in my fan-fic (never published, though the synopsis is at my site, see link below).

In this cute scene, the cop is checking out various transportation modes for the kids' escape route, and here is at a taxi dispatch where he gets lucky. The scene and conversation went like this (would have been expanded to a quick half-page scene):

In the business office, he talks to their Dispatcher. Any fares from 1100 Alvarado Drive March 24th to 26th? (dispatcher checks book) We had two around then. First one was a young woman with a fare to Los Alamos train station. Woman? Says here. B.F., whatever the hell that is. I'll ask when the driver comes in. Oh, a large trunk in the - trunk. Not a suitcase? No... One of those big...(shapes with hands) Right. Log any name? Sorry.

Of course, my intention was to give the cop a "knowing" look as he figures out what "b.f." means.

This is the first time I've even looked at that outline since March. Maybe some day I'll clean it up and post it. I know what's going on, but the way it is I realize it's hard to figure who's saying what.

I'd never worry about finished the screenplay though. Waste of time.

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[–] rivarachel-1 10 years ago

"She was barefoot throughout the movie, which has been discussed plenty here."

I remember her a few times wearing no shoes but are you sure she wore no shoes throughout the entire movie? Also, she had moved out of the apartment and was living as a vampire but in what type of location? She may have been deep in the woods in a completely secluded area so when she transforms, even though she does so throughout the movie with clothes, maybe that was only because she was living among people and the true nature of the physical aspects of a vampire is not having the necessity to wear clothes unless you are living among other humans. Just an idea. It's what I thought at the end of the movie.

This is not a defensive response for justification of my feelings for that part of the movie.

I had no idea where she went when she left! Just what I had in mind when I saw the movie. Was the fact that they only showed her up to the knees done for dramatic effect? I don't know?

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[–] cassbtt 10 years ago

"She was barefoot throughout the movie, which has been discussed plenty here."
I remember her a few times wearing no shoes but are you sure she wore no shoes throughout the entire movie?

Sure, of course, I meant that there are scenes throughout the movie when she's barefoot - the beginning, the jungle gym, her visit to Owen's apartment, the hospital visit, departing in the taxi, the pool scene - interspersed with the scenes in which she seems to be trying to look conventional in society, with those booties.

The rest of your post has some interesting ideas. I doubt she'd live in the forest though. Living like a hermit would be safest for Mankind, except for the occasional traveler who happens by, but the story shows us how lonely she is.

None of us knows where she went in the taxi at the end, or how she knew to come back to check on Owen.

Maybe she really didn't go very far, and was going to stick around as Owens "Guardian Vampire", at least till she got bored of him, or he betrayed her affection for him by doing something awful (murder) or falling for someone else.

Who knows.

It's what fan fic is made of!

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[–] HarpoSpoke 10 years ago

I also just realized maybe she has to be barefoot to do her vampire thing...?

An interesting little tidbit from the novel shows that the vampire has to remove his shoes in order to climb a tree. His feet and hands transform to monstrous claws.

Eli looked up into the top of the tree, along five six meters of smooth tree trunk. Kicked off her shoes. Thought herself new hands, new feet.

It hardly hurt at all anymore, just felt like a tingling, an electric current through her fingers and toes as they tinned out, took on a new shape. The bones crackled in her hands as they stretched out, shot out through the melting skin of the fingertips and made long, curved claws. Same thing with her toes.
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A shooting sensation in her teeth as Eli thought them sharp. The enamel bulged out, was sharpened by an invisible file, became sharp. Eli carefully bit herself in her lower lip, a crescent-shaped row of needles that almost punctured the skin. pg 215

So...maybe Abby needs to be barefoot as well in order to climb. Interesting difference between the two movies...Eli in the LTROI movie does not remove his shoes to climb the tree.

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[–] timc-20 10 years ago

I think it's clear withing the context of the story that Owen made it out of the pool; and landed in Abby's frying pan of an alternative life.

I think you are very close to a conclusion about Owen. No matter what happens, it won't be very good for him. If he retaliates with the bullies and kills one or all, he'll be in prison with all that entails. He seems to be headed that way. He's malformed, and life is setting him up for a fall. I think this is the story of that fall.

At the end of the story, Owen's bullies are dead, and Owen has partnered with something that may be much worse. There was no discussion in the film about how the carnage in the pool was explained. Those three boys would all have weeping moms with questions. Maybe the phys-ed teacher would have to take the blame.

Maybe in his next film, Reeves will explain himself better so we, his audience will have less to speculate about. I certainly hope not.

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[–] fdrobinson42 10 years ago

Yes, she indeed saved him, and that was shown when he got out of the pool and saw her legs, but since Chloe was, what, 14 years old during this movie, that's all they could show of her because she would have been nude.

I seem to remember some behind the scenes footage from the blu ray. They were filming that scene, where Abby was touching Owen's face, she was wearing the same outfit from the beginning of the movie actually. She wasn't nude.

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[–] jacobbruinsma 10 years ago

It's a nice theory. Bit like Ambrose Bierce story (An concurrence at owl creek bridge). However, the movie is based on a Scandinavian novel that has a more complicated plot - Abby's relation with the guy who provided het with blood; he's a pedophile - they depended upon each other.
Later: Owen of course needs Abby to escape the bullying - and Abby needs someone who will kill for her again. It is unclear if Owen will ever do that. For the next years he would almost have to kill near the place they live, and he's physically nor mentally up to that. But he'll grow older. - The question is, who is manipulating whom? Or is it, after all, mostly love, friendship and loyalty? The book has more room for those questions.

Anyway, this remake of "let the right one in (Låt den rätte komma in - Swedish) is better than I thought; but it doesn't come close to the original. (i'm not Swedish).

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[–] HarpoSpoke 10 years ago

Later: Owen of course needs Abby to escape the bullying - and Abby needs someone who will kill for her again. It is unclear if Owen will ever do that. For the next years he would almost have to kill near the place they live, and he's physically nor mentally up to that. But he'll grow older. - The question is, who is manipulating whom? Or is it, after all, mostly love, friendship and loyalty? The book has more room for those questions.

I don't accept that as a fact. Is there any way that Thomas was able to kill for Abby when they met? Is there any way Owen can kill for Abby? That's a pretty obvious "no".

I would also submit that a 300 year old vampire must have killed for herself for stretches of that time.

Then there is the whole "caretaker needs shelter" problem. By living with a human, Abby makes her life harder than it needs to be. She actually has to live in close proximity to humans. It would be like lions living with zebras...makes no sense. The most logical thing for her to do is to never associate with people at all...only coming into contact with them every few weeks when she needs to feed.
Abby is better equipped to hide away from people than any other creature on earth. She...unlike all other species...is immune to the elements. Even wolves are able to hide very effectively from people...imagine how well a creature with a higher intellect, strength, immunity to the elements, and a less demanding feeding schedule would do. The ability to only feed every other week or so is huge. Abby could realistically be in a different state for every victim.

Abby does not do that logical thing. Therefore there is something very strong which is compelling her to put herself in constant danger.

I think Abby has a "need"...but it's a need for companionship. You mention a facet of the novel that actually makes it easier to think the vampire is looking for a caretaker. ...The fact we know the vampire has previously done that very thing. Previous behavior indicates the potential is there. We know Eli is capable of choosing a companion based only on caretaker potential.

With LMI, Thomas is a lifelong companion...there is no possibility that Abby choose him to be a caretaker...he was about 10-12 years old at the time. If she was like Eli in the novel she would have chosen an adult who is capable of fulfilling the caretaker role. Instead we see Abby choose companions who can't be caretakers...they can only be companions. And we know she did it twice. Not only does she not get a caretaker...she has put herself into the caretaker role! Her life gets far harder...not easier.

It really makes zero sense. The only logical motivation is loneliness.

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[–] drakkar 10 years ago

I would also submit that a 300 year old vampire must have killed for herself for stretches of that time.

Where did you get that age from? Abby could be as old as Thomas, this being her first run with new caretaker.

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[–] HarpoSpoke 10 years ago

Where did you get that age from? Abby could be as old as Thomas, this being her first run with new caretaker.

First the interviewer brings up "250 years old" and Moretz just rolls with that. But then when she gets to name the age, she goes with "300 years old".

How did you prepare for playing the role of someone who is 250 years old?

Chloe Moretz: "Well you kind of think of the different aspects of who Abby is, because you have little girl Abby, you have 250 year old Abby, and then you have vampire Abby. And the vampire is more of like the devil inside the little girl Abby, but at the same time there's the old soul. And so it's like a three-dimensional character that you have to portray in a two-dimensional film."

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Why do you think that Abby, despite all the power she has, is so dependent on humans for happiness?

Chloe Moretz: "She's so lonely. She doesn't know herself anymore. Think about it, maybe if you are 60 years old, you forget little things that you did when you were a kid. Imagine being 300 years old and forgetting your parents and forgetting your family, and forgetting everyone you know and you love. And everyone you love recently, they die while you still live forever."

http://movies.about.com/od/letmein/a/chloe-moretz-richard-jenkins-let- me-in.htm

That last question/answer is especially relevant here. It's about the loneliness with Abby.

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[–] drakkar 10 years ago

True, however If you bring in outside film interviews, I think that Reeves' theory of Abby being "this evil puppet master" also should be mentioned.

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[–] HarpoSpoke 10 years ago

True, however If you bring in outside film interviews, I think that Reeves' theory of Abby being "this evil puppet master" also should be mentioned.

You misquoted him. (You actually are quoting the interviewer instead) That's the interview where he (as always) allows the audience to make up their own mind about Abby.

He points out there is an evil side to Abby (which of course also means there is a non-evil side). As he says, Abby is stuck at the emotional age of 12:

In the book, I don't get the sense that she's a 12-year-old who has a 250-year-old woman inside of her who's like a schemer. Rather, she's someone who was attacked 250 years ago and so was stuck internally at the age of 12. She's stuck in that level of emotional development. She never really got past that. There's something sad about that idea she'd never fully mature, even her emotion and brain would not go past that point. She learned how to be a survivor and get by, but she's still vulnerable in the way that a kid is vulnerable. She can't control these things. I thought that was a great metaphor for adolescence, when your body starts to change and things are out of control. It's evident in the way we depicted her. She didn't have fangs. The idea is similar to how your teeth go crazy after you lose your baby teeth. We made those teeth look like adolescence gone wrong. Her skin has lots of acne. All of that was an attempt to show the state she's in. She has levels of evil, but she's also human. To me, that's what makes the story so provocative. The end of the movie is chilling, but it's also like the horror version of The Graduate. Boy gets girl. There they are together. There is a part of you that wants them to be together, but the big question is, "Now what?" That's the cool thing about the story. I don't like to wage one over the other. I like the gray, ambiguous mix of it all.

Moretz explains it further...there is Abby and there is Vamp Abby...two different characters...a dual natured being:

The character of Abby...I mean, usually a lot of movies glamorize being a vampire. It's pretty, it's cool, you look awesome! The way we did it was that it's not cool to be a vampire. It's a burden that she has to carry with her, not this fun, cool, interesting thing. It's scary, deep, and dark, this devil inside of her. The vampire is different than Abby. It's like her alternate personality, and when it takes her over, she has no control.

http://movieline.com/2010/03/08/the-verge-chloe-moretz/2/

And from the interview above:

Chloe Moretz: "Well you kind of think of the different aspects of who Abby is, because you have little girl Abby, you have 250 year old Abby, and then you have vampire Abby. And the vampire is more of like the devil inside the little girl Abby, but at the same time there's the old soul. And so it's like a three-dimensional character that you have to portray in a two-dimensional film."

And Abby's backstory is tragic...not a black and white "evil" character:

Did you create a backstory for Abby?

Chloe Moretz: "It's twisted. Me and Matt, he gave me a journal and said, 'I want you to journal, but the thing is I'm going to have to read these journals as you do it.' I was like, 'Okay...' And I went home every night, I sat in bed and wrote this horrible backstory. She started as a little girl who was just a normal little girl. Her family wasn't very wealthy - they worked. But her uncle was more wealthy, but he was always the weird guy. He stayed in the darker house which was creepier, and he always had animal skins everywhere and all the creepy stuff. And kind of what we came up with was that my uncle kind of turned me. He kind of snuck in and robbed me of my innocence and made me immortal."

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[–] drakkar 10 years ago

Sure, and you just quoted Reeves' evasive answer on the direct question whether Abby is this Evil Puppet Master. Reeves does not rule it out, instead he uses the opportunity to keep the possibility open.
Moretz, as a child actor, is of course entitled to her own opinion about her part.

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[–] HarpoSpoke 10 years ago

Sure, and you just quoted Reeves' evasive answer on the direct question whether Abby is this Evil Puppet Master. Reeves does not rule it out, instead he uses the opportunity to keep the possibility open.

Not seeing the problem there. You want Reeves to nail down a particular point of view (yours of course ) and he never does that. Since the movie is highly interpretive and ambiguous, that makes perfect sense. Why would he force one interpretation on the audience after making an ambiguous movie?

Moretz, as a child actor, is of course entitled to her own opinion about her part.

Agreed. But she is revealing her thought process while playing the character. That's a pretty important opinion since it actually effected how the character appears in the movie itself.

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[–] drakkar 10 years ago

No problems here, only possibilities!

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[–] FrodoPotter 7 years ago

Well written. But the reason I think she has to go for young insecure boys as her caretaker is that she can manipulate and seduce those to fall under her spell and take care of her for the rest of their life. Yes, that will require a couple of years of waiting for them to mature to be able to kill and provide her with blood. But getting a grown man to fall under her spell like that would be a lot harder.

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[–] Danzence 10 years ago

Decapitating his assailant, maiming the ones who did him wrong, and ending the despicable lives of those that deserved it.