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Why do Americans always have to make remakes of basically every good foreign movie?!
Are they too lazy to read subtitles or what?
I caught this remake on TV once and i was shocked! Not only is it almost a 100% copy of the original but also the atmosphere is completely gone!
The original lives from the great atmosphere and the cinematography. The cold, moody colors along with the scandinavian architecture, buildings and furniture as well as the spoken Swedish is what makes half of the film.
Same goes for Oldboy, The Ring, Funny Games and a lot more.
So yeah, i really dont understand the point of remakes :)

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I have a 19" old-style tube set TV, and the subtitles can be pretty small.

Recently, I PVR'd the entire Dragon Tattoo series, but gave up 1/3 way into part one because of the awful subtitling.

In the old days, they dubbed movies. I preferred that. I've seen the entire Ingmar Bergman catalogue, dubbed, and it was just fine.

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In Germany, where i am from, they still dub all foreign movies and i actually really hate it.
To me, it kind of ruins the atmosphere. Maybe im an exception but to me, every country and its cinema has its own charisma and atmosphere and for example when i watch a french movie then i also wanna hear them speak french and not some stupid lame german dubbing which so doesnt suit the movie. Not to mention the asian cinema, which is totally hilarious when some Samurai all of sudden speaks serious German haha :D

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Why do Americans always have to make remakes of basically every good foreign movie?!
Are they too lazy to read subtitles or what?
I caught this remake on TV once and i was shocked! Not only is it almost a 100% copy of the original but also the atmosphere is completely gone!
The original lives from the great atmosphere and the cinematography. The cold, moody colors along with the scandinavian architecture, buildings and furniture as well as the spoken Swedish is what makes half of the film.
Same goes for Oldboy, The Ring, Funny Games and a lot more.
So yeah, i really dont understand the point of remakes :)

You hit all the bases here...pretty impressive in such a small post.

1-Calling a movie made by a British studio "made by Americans"...check (Hammer studios made Let Me In and in fact the Swedish producers of the first movie were the ones who wanted an English language version and are also listed in the producers credits)

2-Calling people from the US "lazy"...check (apparently reading is "work" and we are supposed to "work" for our entertainment?)

3-Claiming LMI is a "copy" but then immediately complaining about what LMI changed...check (always my favorite)

4-The "there is no point/need for this movie" line...check. (As if there is a point to any movie ever made)

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The director is American, most of the actors are American, it was filmed in America.
Calling it "british" is pretty ridiculous just because the film studios are british.
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Youre saying yourself that reading is "work" and thus justifying and confirming the laziness.
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Im nowhere complaning about what "Let me in" changed. Im pointing out that even though its a copy, it doesnt even come close to the original one! Im talking here about atmosphere and cinematography, which are making this movie.
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And i was talking about remakes in general. I dont see the point of remaking a movie when the original is already good. And im not alone with that. Just check the ratings here on IMDB of originals and remakes.

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The director is American, most of the actors are American, it was filmed in America.
Calling it "british" is pretty ridiculous just because the film studios are british.

You were complaining about who MADE the movie. It was made by the Brits and the Swedes. The whole idea was the idea of the Swedish in the first place, so the complaint you issued...
Why do Americans always have to make remakes

...Does not apply to this particular movie.

Oh...and half the main cast is not from the US. (including the main role)

MGM made Doctor Zhivago with a Brit director and female star, Egyptian star, based on a story set in Russia by a Russian, and filmed in Finland and Spain. It's still an American movie because MGM was the studio that made it.

Youre saying yourself that reading is "work" and thus justifying and confirming the laziness.

No, I'm challenging the idea that reading is work in the first place. (YOUR idea) And I'm also challenging the idea that anyone should be insulted for not liking subtitles. There are various and valid reasons to not like subtitles. None of those reasons involve working. There is a reason why we moved away from silent movies in the 1930s. (hint: It wasn't because everyone was lazy)
Im nowhere complaning about what "Let me in" changed. Im pointing out that even though its a copy, it doesnt even come close to the original one! Im talking here about atmosphere and cinematography, which are making this movie.

Then it can't be a copy, can it? Decide if you want to complain that this is just like the original or if it is different.
And i was talking about remakes in general. I dont see the point of remaking a movie when the original is already good. And im not alone with that. Just check the ratings here on IMDB of originals and remakes.

I am fully aware of how fanboys act when a movie they like is remade. They actually think they are in charge of deciding what is "good" and what is "necessary" and use their votes accordingly. They think one movie is good and don't wish to see another telling of that story...so in their mind no one else on the planet "needs" another version of that story either. Not to mention that they are ignoring that retelling stories has been the essence of storytelling for centuries.

Pretty much the most arrogant position possible. You would think a person would be happy that they have a movie they love...but that's not enough, is it? No...everyone else must love that movie too. A remake is the worst thing possible in their minds because that allows other people to like a different version of the story more.

Voting for "good" and "better" in art never works...and IMDB ratings are some of the most famous for being flawed. (Ever notice all of Chris Nolan's movies make the top 150 movies ever made?....) Every year a group of people vote on "best movies" and every year we hear nothing but complaints about it. This year was no different and it will be repeated next year.

Unfortunately, you are directing the wrong complaints at this movie to decry "remakes in general". There are many others which fit your complaints.

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well said... I hate ignorant "know-it-all's" who draw conclusions based on their assumptions.

The O.P. lists "The Ring" as one of the "bad" remakes... it's truly one of the best horror remakes in the last 16 years.

As far as "Let Me In" goes... I think there are parts of the remake that are an improvement over the original... (ie. Richard Jenkins character isn't nearly as "moronic" as the 'assistant' in the original)... however, the original Swedish film is better overall... the scene where the Abby enters the boy's apartment without permission is 100 times better in the original.

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Twin Perfect from YouTube explains it best. look up their video Let Me In vs Let The Right One In.

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Twin Perfect from YouTube explains it best. look up their video Let Me In vs Let The Right One In.

That video is pretty hilarious. They don't even know Hammer is British and engage in the classic "It's a carbon copy....but now we will complain about all the changes LMI made" trick.

Just try pointing that on on the video and they'll quickly delete the comment. lol...

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You keep repeating yourself.

By the way this is what Wikipedia says:

"Let Me In is a 2010 AMERICAN horror romance film[5] written and directed by Matt Reeves and starring..."

If youre going to say now that Hammer Films is british: we know that! ;)

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I agree. Let Me In was made exclusively for the American market, as expressed by the American production team themselves. This is what makes it an American film more than anything else. The fact that it was bankrolled by a British studio is just a red herring.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0e3tGxnFKfE

http://tinyurl.com/LTROI-story

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You keep repeating yourself.

By the way this is what Wikipedia says:

"Let Me In is a 2010 AMERICAN horror romance film[5] written and directed by Matt Reeves and starring..."

If youre going to say now that Hammer Films is british: we know that! ;)

That's because LTROI fans keep saying things like, "Why do Americans steal foreign movies" and "This is a Hollywood remake".

Clearly they are not talking about the "market it was made for"...they are claiming it was made by a US studio. So let's not pretend that's what LTROI fans mean when they say that.

So again...it was made by a British studio. They are free to hire directors and actors from any country they choose just like MGM chose to hire a British director, Brit and Egyptian stars, set it in Russia, and film in Europe for Dr Zhivago. That doesn't mean Dr Zhivago is not a Hollywood movie. Notice that Hammer hired English actors and director for The Woman in Black?

edit: Wait...did you just cite Wikipedia?

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What are you trying to imply by asking something that is obvious?
If you take a look at the Wiki-page you will also see that it was not only produced by Hammer alone and it was distributed by mostly American companies. You can keep telling yourself that its british but clearly, it is not.

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What are you trying to imply by asking something that is obvious?
If you take a look at the Wiki-page you will also see that it was not only produced by Hammer alone and it was distributed by mostly American companies. You can keep telling yourself that its british but clearly, it is not.

This is where I wonder why there is a clear desire to label LMI as "American". You really need it to be "American", don't you? I wonder why that is.

You do realize that movies distributed in the US need a US distributor, right? ๐Ÿ˜‚

...And that distributors aren't behind the creation of the movie? (Which is what the label "American" is about)

And that's not even getting into the fact that the Swedish producers of LTROI were actually behind the whole idea in the first place. Notice they are also listed as producers on LMI?

But unlike many remakes landing in theaters these days, "Let Me In" was hardly the result of Hollywood executives vampirically scouring for any foreign-language hit they could get their hands on. Producers of "Let the Right One In" had actually started aggressively shopping a remake before the Swedish-language version even began shooting, meeting with American studio executives and producers (including, incidentally, J.J. Abrams).

Hammer Films, an iconic British horror label that had been dormant for decades, decided to take on the remake as the first step of its resurrection. "We didn't even need to see the finished film to know this was special," said Hammer's Nigel Sinclair, a "Let Me In" producer.


http://articles.latimes.com/2010/sep/30/local/la-et-let-me-in-20100930

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"That's because LTROI fans keep saying things like, "Why do Americans steal foreign movies" and "This is a Hollywood remake"." - Harpo


You are the only one in this thread that has even mentioned "Hollywood"

Try responding to the points made by cococlown, not the hoards of rabid Let The Right One In fanboys that you seem to imagine are behind every critical post on this board.

Dr. Zhivago was made for the American market as well.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0e3tGxnFKfE

http://tinyurl.com/LTROI-story

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You are the only one in this thread that has even mentioned "Hollywood"

Try responding to the points made by cococlown, not the hoards of rabid Let The Right One In fanboys that you seem to imagine are behind every critical post on this board.

Dr. Zhivago was made for the American market as well.

It's called an "example". One of the examples was what Coco said. "Why do Americans always have to make remakes of basically every good foreign movie?!"

You know he wasn't talking about "Why do filmmakers around the world make movies for the American market??" He was specifically claiming LMI was made by "Americans". Which is of course not true. He was just too lazy to do any research.

Speaking of lazy....Was this cliche from typical LTROI fanboys my imagination?
Are they too lazy to read subtitles or what?

I notice you didn't have any problem whatsoever with that typical anti-American mantra seen on this board for years, did you Jameron? So let's just dispense with this act of yours that you are objective, shall we? You've got more than a little fanboy blindness yourself.

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"It's called an "example" " - Harpo


Yes, an example of something no-one had said in this thread.

"I notice you didn't have any problem whatsoever with that typical anti-American mantra seen on this board for years, did you Jameron?" - Harpo


Wrong. Why would I support an anti-American mantra? I like tons of American films, including Let Me In.

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http://tinyurl.com/LTROI-story

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Yes, an example of something no-one had said in this thread.

Something else which was not said in this thread.....Me claiming that anyone said that in this thread. You're just throwing a red herring into things. Among examples of posts by LTROI anti-US fanboys are "Americans stole it", "Americans are too lazy to read", "Hollywood ruins all foreign movies", and "It's a carbon copy but I also don't like all the changes they made". Pretty normal stuff from that type of poster. This isn't something unusual, new, or clever by the OP.

Wrong. Why would I support an anti-American mantra? I like tons of American films, including Let Me In.

I don't know...why do you let that obviously anti-American statement go by without even noticing but jumped all over my response? If you are defending the OP, you can't very well claim you don't agree later.


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"You're just throwing a red herring into things" - Harpo


So, pointing out your red herring is a red herring? Haha, nope.

Like I said, your time would be better served answering the points raised by visitors to this board, not fighting long dead battles of four or five years ago.

"why do you let that obviously anti-American statement go by without even noticing but jumped all over my response?" - Harpo


Maybe because I have a thicker skin than you, maybe because I'm not American and don't really care that much about it. Life isn't "You're either for us, or against us", not really caring too much is also allowed. Maybe it's because you're so thin skinned that you think I "jumped all over [you]" when all I did was try to keep you from travelling, yet again, that dark emotional path of hate and paranoia ๎ผ.

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http://tinyurl.com/LTROI-story

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Like I said, your time would be better served answering the points raised by visitors to this board, not fighting long dead battles of four or five years ago.

Obviously not "long dead" since the OP is saying the exact same inaccurate stuff topped by the usual anti-USA sentiment. Of course you wouldn't have any problem with the "long dead" claims that people in the US are "too lazy to read". That one is brand new. ๐Ÿ˜Ž A person has to be "thin skinned" to find fault with that, right?

Really...your "I'm objective" act is failing pretty hard right now.

The OP has every right to make a post with inaccurate claims about "Americans ALWAYS making remakes of foreign films" and accusing an entire culture of being lazy. That doesn't mean the OP is immune to being called out for those things.

No...LMI wasn't made by "Americans" as the OP claimed. You can twist it to the OP claiming "it was made FOR Americans" but that wasn't the claim at all.

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Obviously not "long dead" since the OP is saying the exact same inaccurate stuff...


Yes, the OP was inaccurate, but as far as I'm aware this is the first time he has voiced his opinion here. What we have here is an echo of the battles of the past, not the battles themselves. You've read this, and similar comments, so often they shouldn't get under your skin so much. Do you know how often the term "British teeth" is used by those that know my nationality? Lots of times, so often the taunt just rolls off me now. Thicker skin.

"The OP has every right to make a post with inaccurate claims about "Americans ALWAYS making remakes of foreign films"" - Harpo


It is interesting that your emphasis was on the word "always", is that what upset you? You're taking him too literally, it's obvious that the OP knows that American filmmakers also create films that are not remakes of foreign films. He didn't mean "always" in a literal sense.

"You can twist it to the OP claiming "it was made FOR Americans" but that wasn't the claim at all." - Harpo


Lol, I wasn't twisting the OP's words, I was adding an alternate perspective.

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Yes, the OP was inaccurate, but as far as I'm aware this is the first time he has voiced his opinion here. What we have here is an echo of the battles of the past, not the battles themselves. You've read this, and similar comments, so often they shouldn't get under your skin so much. Do you know how often the term "British teeth" is used by those that know my nationality? Lots of times, so often the taunt just rolls off me now. Thicker skin.

So somehow you manage to find a way to ignore his insult to an entire culture (Just suck it up!) but can't tolerate my rebuttal. Geez...grow thicker skin Jameron! lol...

Oh...I appreciate the internet trick you put in there. "You are getting upset/mad/angry". The "You mad, bro?" trick. You don't think I enjoy correcting the inaccurate claims about this movie?

You might also notice I never claimed this wasn't the first time this particular poster has tried the same old tired tactics used here before. That's why this is a behavioral trait of certain LTROI fans...because it's NOT just one poster. Nothing he said is new.
It is interesting that your emphasis was on the word "always", is that what upset you? You're taking him too literally, it's obvious that the OP knows that American filmmakers also create films that are not remakes of foreign films. He didn't mean "always" in a literal sense.

"You mad, bro?" again! lol...

So....we need to give special latitude to what LTORI fans/LMI haters say? Just because he/she is not able to type out what he/she means...we need to assume the REAL intent, eh?

Careful...you accidentally admitted what the OP said. "create films" You are going to kill your "created for a US audience" defense.

Lol, I wasn't twisting the OP's words, I was adding an alternate perspective.

Thanks for adding an perspective which had nothing to do with the conversation I guess?

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Haha. Thanks for that.

I bet someone ยฃ10 that you would come back with the "U mad, bro" defence.

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Go ahead, fight your battles. Be a hero, I'm done with this thread.

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Haha. Thanks for that.

I bet someone ยฃ10 that you would come back with the "U mad, bro" defence.

Oh nice one!

First you use the "You mad, bro?" tactic....then pretend you made money by predicting I would notice you were using that tactic. I like it.

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Everything this guy just said is *beep* Thank you

-My Cousin Vinny

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They don't even know Hammer is British and engage in the classic "It's a carbon copy....but now we will complain about all the changes LMI made" trick.


That's what it is, nearly the same with tweaks to it.

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That's what it is, nearly the same with tweaks to it.

See? lol....

So you'll complain either way. Anything which is the same you'll complain about and anything LMI changed you'll complain about.

I also notice those "tweaks" are massive enough to cause LTROI fans to go on for paragraph after paragraph of complaints. And that video is bursting to the gills with complaints about everything LMI changed. (After they claimed LMI didn't change anything of course)

Fanboys...

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See? lol....


...See what?

So you'll complain either way. Anything which is the same you'll complain about and anything LMI changed you'll complain about.



...uh... where do you get this from? Agreeing with Twin Perfect's video can't tell you all that.

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...uh... where do you get this from? Agreeing with Twin Perfect's video can't tell you all that.

That's exactly what it tells me.

They start out complaining that LMI copied LTROI and didn't come up with anything new.

Then they proceed to spend the rest of the video complaining about everything LMI changed.

Pretty funny to watch.

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like i posted before, even minor tweaks can be devastating if it goes against the spirit of the original.

Imagine a remake of Romeo and Juliet that is the same word for word except for a 5 minute change to the ending where it's revealed that Juliet didn't really love Romero but instead seduced Romeo and drove him to suicide because she hated his family.

That would be a small change that completely misses the point of the original.

LMI is like that, copying LtROI 90% of the time and yet making small changes that completely misses the point of the original: The whole cycle theory was conveyed in 5 seconds but destroys the love story of the original film.

And you use the term fanboys derisively, which is funny because you are the biggest fanboy here. I don't really care that you like LMI more than LtROI, what I can't stand is your petty name calling, your willful distortions, all the while playing the victim card. It's hypocritical to the extreme and I hope you are a better person in real life.

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like i posted before, even minor tweaks can be devastating if it goes against the spirit of the original.

Imagine a remake of Romeo and Juliet that is the same word for word except for a 5 minute change to the ending where it's revealed that Juliet didn't really love Romero but instead seduced Romeo and drove him to suicide because she hated his family.

That would be a small change that completely misses the point of the original.

LMI is like that, copying LtROI 90% of the time and yet making small changes that completely misses the point of the original: The whole cycle theory was conveyed in 5 seconds but destroys the love story of the original film.

As I said, the LTROI fanboys desperately hold on to each side. They want to claim LMI is completely unoriginal.....but then of course whine about anything LMI changed. Thus proving they would hate LMI no matter what it did. You claim you wanted LMI to do something different...then claim you wanted LMI to do the same thing LTROI did. That's called an agenda.

But don't tell the makers of that absurd video you worship that there are only "minor tweaks". They spent most of the video complaining about everything LMI did differently.

That's because LMI is a different movie whether you like it or not. It's obviously not like LTROI...that's why LTROI fanboys can't stop whining about it. All the characters are very different obviously.

The "point" is what LTROI does and that's what YOU like. Since LMI does something different, the arrogant reaction of the elitist is to insist things they don't like are wrong and inferior.

And you use the term fanboys derisively, which is funny because you are the biggest fanboy here. I don't really care that you like LMI more than LtROI, what I can't stand is your petty name calling, your willful distortions, all the while playing the victim card. It's hypocritical to the extreme and I hope you are a better person in real life.

And just how to you suppose you hear this "name calling" and so called "distortions"? Hmmm?

It's because you keep coming back to the board for a movie you don't even like to attack that movie and insist that your view of the movie is "truth" which LMI should accept with no regard for the fact that you are making it less pleasant for LMI fans.

That's how LTROI fanboys are different than LMI fanboys. You are vicious, angry, butt-hurt fanboys who seem to exist in attack mode and truly believe you hold the secret to measuring quality in art and even frequently claim you know what movies should exist. (No surprise...just happens to be movies YOU like) You've been polluting this board for years. Notice that I don't feel any need to go to the LTROI and attack it? THAT'S the difference between most LMI fans and most LTROI fans. Not all...but enough to see the two movies attract a very different kind of fan.

Your methods and claims are flawed and illogical....which is why they are so easily deconstructed here. You of course don't like that. You prefer the safety of the LTROI board where you can make illogical claims about LMI which will go unchallenged in the gathering of hipster douchebags.

But the thought that someone just might like LMI more is unbearable...that's why LTROI fans have continued to come here to attack LMI over the years.

Best part is YOU playing the victim as you actually come to a board for a movie you don't even like just to attack it. You can't see how absurd that is I guess.

I stopped caring about the feelings of those kinds of LTROI fanboys long ago. I once tried to foster the peace, but LTROI fanboys only trade in hate.

So you aren't going to be able to post your anti-LMI rants on this board unchallenged. Tough luck. Your kind deserves to be stymied.

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That must be the most extremely over-generalizing and dichotomizing post (between "us" and "them") I have read for quite a few years. So, every LTROI fan on Earth (or, at least, on IMDB) has the exact same views, and the same applies to every LMI fan. What do you know..

Fanboy : a person who does not think while watching.

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That must be the most extremely over-generalizing and dichotomizing post (between "us" and "them") I have read for quite a few years. So, every LTROI fan on Earth (or, at least, on IMDB) has the exact same views, and the same applies to every LMI fan. What do you know..

I guess you missed this part.

That's how LTROI fanboys are different than LMI fanboys. You are vicious, angry, butt-hurt fanboys who seem to exist in attack mode and truly believe you hold the secret to measuring quality in art and even frequently claim you know what movies should exist. (No surprise...just happens to be movies YOU like) You've been polluting this board for years. Notice that I don't feel any need to go to the LTROI and attack it? THAT'S the difference between most LMI fans and most LTROI fans. Not all...but enough to see the two movies attract a very different kind of fan.


There is a difference in the fan bases the two movies attract. The LMI board was under siege by LTROI fans months before LMI even opened and it continued for years. Even now the occasional LTROI fan just has to stop by to pontificate about how "superior" LTROI is or how "unnecessary" LMI is. It's the same tripe heard here from long before anyone even saw LMI.

It's just rooted in fanboyism. If LMI came out first (and it could have been since the Swedes were trying to get an English language version made before LTROI even started filming), it would be reversed. The fans typically like what they see first and the natural reaction of the human ego is anger toward the idea that other people might not like what you like.

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Hammer Films is just the "core" production team, aka the one with the most "hands-on" involvement in the production process. There are two other American production companies involved, Overture Films and Exclusive Media Group, along with the Swedes from EFTI.

Since Hammer Films is a small studio I am guessing that at least 50% of the 20 mil budget came from the two American production companies. That makes the film an American - British - Swedish co-production, not a British (or British-Swedish) production. Even if the two American companies only provided funding they are still production companies. And the film is clearly oriented primarily to the American market.

Fanboy : a person who does not think while watching.

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Hammer Films is just the "core" production team, aka the one with the most "hands-on" involvement in the production process. There are two other American production companies involved, Overture Films and Exclusive Media Group, along with the Swedes from EFTI.

Since Hammer Films is a small studio I am guessing that at least 50% of the 20 mil budget came from the two American production companies. That makes the film an American - British - Swedish co-production, not a British (or British-Swedish) production. Even if the two American companies only provided funding they are still production companies. And the film is clearly oriented primarily to the American market.

Well guessing is fun for speculation, but the Hammer execs were the guys in charge. They are the ones you see talking about the movie on the DVD and in online interviews. Overture was too busy going bankrupt to run anything. Every movie has a US distributor and of course LMI did too. That doesn't make it a "Hollywood movie" any more than any other movie with a US distributor is "Hollywood".

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You make interesting and possibly valid points, but I kinda think that money may somehow be involved. Maybe its easier to get financing on such a project and a much greater potential for American revenue.

Why do you think all countries make movies based on (but not faithful to) books?

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Yeah, i think so too.
I just find it sad that they kind of "sacrifice" the soul of a good movie for the possibility of making money and, in a way, taking the chance of appreciating foreign cinema away from people.

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You make interesting and possibly valid points, but I kinda think that money may somehow be involved. Maybe its easier to get financing on such a project and a much greater potential for American revenue.

Money is always involved in making movies. It's expensive to do.

The Swedish producers of Let the Right One In tried to get an English language version made before LTROI even started filming but couldn't get the financing. Later, they finally got a British studio to make the English language version they had wanted the whole time.

But unlike many remakes landing in theaters these days, "Let Me In" was hardly the result of Hollywood executives vampirically scouring for any foreign-language hit they could get their hands on. Producers of "Let the Right One In" had actually started aggressively shopping a remake before the Swedish-language version even began shooting, meeting with American studio executives and producers (including, incidentally, J.J. Abrams).

Hammer Films, an iconic British horror label that had been dormant for decades, decided to take on the remake as the first step of its resurrection. "We didn't even need to see the finished film to know this was special," said Hammer's Nigel Sinclair, a "Let Me In" producer.


http://articles.latimes.com/2010/sep/30/local/la-et-let-me-in-20100930

So I get the "Hollywood is evil" thing...but that really doesn't apply to this movie.

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Your radical statements and interpretations are so annoying. Nobody ever said "Hollywood is evil"! There are plenty of good Hollywood films!
And when i say "Americans", im not talking about all the 300 million people who live there. Im talking about a stereotype, cliches and about the image the country has in other countries.
And its a fact that American cinema is famous for making remakes of GOOD foreign films.
And i wanted to know why. I know that money plays a big role but i still find it shocking that they just make almost a 100% copy of a film instead of promoting and introducing foreign films and cinema which has so much to offer and is so refreshing.

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And when i say "Americans", im not talking about all the 300 million people who live there. Im talking about a stereotype, cliches and about the image the country has in other countries.

So are you now trying to change your original position?

Why do Americans always have to make remakes of basically every good foreign movie?!
Are they too lazy to read subtitles or what?

You are on the wrong board with your complaint. Hammer made this movie and they aren't "American". Perhaps you should stop by their office in London to inform them they are from the US?

Which of the 300 million Americans are you calling "too lazy to read subtitles"?

Hanging your claim on an absurd stereotype doesn't excuse you perpetuating it.

And since when is reading "work"?
And even if it were work, since when is it a crime to avoid working while choosing an entertainment option?
And there are real and valid reasons for why subtitles have a negative effect on the movie-watching experience. People aren't "lazy" for not liking those negative effects.
And its a fact that American cinema is famous for making remakes of GOOD foreign films.

True or not, that has nothing to do with this particular movie for two very obvious reasons:
1-Hammer is not "American"
2-The Swedish producers of the original movie were the reason it was made and are listed as producers of LMI as well

You may as well go to the board for Batman vs Superman and complain that Marvel screwed that movie up....it would make just as much sense. You are the old man on the porch shouting at the birds in the trees.
And i wanted to know why. I know that money plays a big role but i still find it shocking that they just make almost a 100% copy of a film instead of promoting and introducing foreign films and cinema which has so much to offer and is so refreshing.

Ask the Swedish producers of Let the Right One In....it was all their idea.

You don't seem to realize "refreshing" to you doesn't have to be forced on everyone else. Every country does remakes of movies from other countries. There is nothing unique about the US or UK in that regard. Movies made in any particular culture typically are more popular in that country for obvious reasons. There is nothing unique about English speaking audiences on that one either.

Anyone who has any interest in foreign cinema can find it easily. I've never had any difficulty finding them. This is 2016, you don't even have to leave your house.

You've just got an anti-US thing going here.

But my favorite is still the "It's a copy!" followed immediately by "I don't like how they changed it!"

I caught this remake on TV once and i was shocked! Not only is it almost a 100% copy of the original but also the atmosphere is completely gone!

So LMI could not have done anything to please you. You attack it for any similarity and attack it for any changes it made.

i.e. Agenda driven complaint

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You do realize though that you keep repeating yourself in almost every post so far?
Im aware of all those smart things you just said.
And i also know very well that everybody has access to everything. You just dont get the point as usual which is the appreciation of different countries and cultures.
And im also not so sure if youre aware what "cinematography" and "atmosphere" means. It has got nothing to do with "obvious" changes. Its about the vibe. The way a director directs. The spoken language. The mood which is influenced by the culture of a country.
And of course its "refreshing" to ME and im not forcing anything on anybody. Im rather interested in encouraging people to appreciate foreign cinema more. Thats all.

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You do realize though that you keep repeating yourself in almost every post so far?
Im aware of all those smart things you just said.

There is only one true story, so it's not like it can be changed.
And i also know very well that everybody has access to everything. You just dont get the point as usual which is the appreciation of different countries and cultures.

If people want to appreciate other cultures I have no problem with that. I do object to anyone who insists other people "should" do it or imply that other people are inferior in some way if they don't.

It especially sounds fishy when people pretend only English speaking people (or "Americans") act a certain way. It's pretty standard behavior all over the world that cultures prefer stories set in their own culture. The US is ahead of cultural blindness in many ways. How many other nations have ever elected a leader of a different race than the majority? The US has done it TWICE. I don't see countries in Europe, Asia, South America, or the Middle East doing that.

I'm a fan of quite a few foreign films myself. My favorite being "M". But there are times when the subs get in the way. Pan's Labyrinth for instance is a beautifully shot movie which requires you to take your eyes away from the cinematography to read the subs. That's not the way the director designed the movie. No director does that...at least not after the sound era began. At least silent films are designed around that limitation.
And im also not so sure if youre aware what "cinematography" and "atmosphere" means. It has got nothing to do with "obvious" changes. Its about the vibe. The way a director directs. The spoken language. The mood which is influenced by the culture of a country.

I understand that LMI was directed differently and used a different cinematographer (from Australia...just like the lead actor...so LMI must be "Australian"!). That's one of the reasons I like it more than LTROI.

I also like the characters much more in LMI...and they are very different from the characters in LTROI. It's not really a "copy" or I would like them the same.
And of course its "refreshing" to ME and im not forcing anything on anybody. Im rather interested in encouraging people to appreciate foreign cinema more. Thats all.

Then perhaps you can understand the "point of remakes"...for people other than yourself?
So yeah, i really dont understand the point of remakes :)

Probably more encouraging to people if you don't call them "lazy" for not watching the movies you like to watch. ;)

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To answer your question as to why Americans always have to make remakes of basically every good foreign movie; because studios are in the movie making business to make money with remakes, sequels and adaptations they are more inclined to produce them because there is an existing paradigm to see if the concept works are does not work. In other words, it's an easier sale for the producers. There are probably a ton of spec scripts laying around that are far superior to many foreign films but those spec scripts will never be produced because studios want something that's more of a known quantity.

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The craziest thing about Funny Games is that both the original and the remake were directed (and written) by the same director/writer, Michael Haneke. I thought it was impossible for a director to deteriorate his own film but perhaps it was due to various producers breathing down his neck and limiting his creative control.
Presumably even if the director of the original Oldboy had been called to direct the remake it would not have been just as good (but still not as bad as Spike Lee's atrocity, I believe), despite the higher budget, due to Hollywood's "sanitation practices".

Tomas Alfredson's (the director of Lรฅt den rรคtte komma in) first English speaking film, Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy, was really quite impressive, perhaps because Hollywood was not involved in creating it (it's a France - UK - Germany co-production). So, if Alfredson had directed Let the Right One In's English speaking remake, but outside of Hollywood, ideally in Scandinavia and with full creative control, perhaps it would have been just as good - minus the Swedish, of course. Still a remake though. And, since personally I have no problem with subtitles, and I always try to watch every foreign film with original dialogues and subs, even if the English dub is very good, an unnecessary one in my opinion.

Fanboy : a person who does not think while watching.

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I have read the first few pages of arguments was there a need to go on.....?

Like others here I am sick and tired of people who use divisive tactics to put down Americans, American movies or whatever else they desire. I dont need to apologize for being American. I dont need to apologize for liking this movie. If YOu want to condemn it, that is up to you. If you want to condemn ME for liking it, that is another matter.

Lets focus on the movie and what it did for ME. It got my attention and got me genuinely interested. I fell in love with the movie so to speak. So much so, that I also purchased a copy of the original movie. So much so that I purchased and read the book. So I ask you, did the movie more than achieve its goal? To ME it did.
I would not have been familiar with either the foreign film OR the book if it were not for LMI. So that writer of the book AND the makers of the foreign movie should be more than grateful.

I am a person who "connects" with characters in a movie. I often connect with time periods, places, or familiarity with my culture and parts of my history. LMI did that for me. is that WRONG to YOU?.
The movie and story does not simply lend itself to a specific place or culture. The story is fairly universal. However when a movie is made. it often takes on the aspects of the people and culture it is made for. The fact that I related to that is not WRONG.

This post totally ignores the AWESOME talents of the principle characters as well as more minor characters. It ignores the amazing efforts of the director who brought this all together.
I am NOT saying this to ignore the talents of those associated with the original.
It especially takes extraordinary young actors to make this movie work. Neither side should be ignored for their extraordinary contributions to their movies.

What I see is that each movie is filmed from a somewhat different perspective of the original work. Slightly different perspective is a good thing. One can sit down and dissect elements of each movie and find strong and weak points of each. To ME, it comes down to personal preference and the movie I feel most "connected" to.

There is not a right or wrong answer to a persons personal preference.
I am not about to be put down for what I preferred.
If the movie was "horrible" as you seem to imply, I doubt that I would have had much interest in seeking out alternate versions or source material.

maybe its a good time to shut up and accept the fact that YOU dont have any authority over persons personal likes and dislikes. YOU dont have the authority over what is and isn't remade or reinterpreted or by whom.
At least have the decency to acknowledge the skills and the people who dedicated themselves to this move AND to the people who found it worthy to investigate others works as well.


("No stupid sigfiles here that have nothing to do with anything in particular")

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You missed the point and youre taking things here a little too personally. This boards intention is to discuss the movie and share your opinion. I never put anyone down for liking the film in the first place, i was only wondering why people, Americans in particular, feel the need to remake a superb movie. And i find this movie "horrible", thats my opinion.
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"If the movie was "horrible" as you seem to imply, I doubt that I would have had much interest in seeking out alternate versions or source material."
Lol. Well, im sorry to burst your bubble but youre not the hub of the world.
How does your opinion affect mine? Youre the ignorant one here.

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This boards intention is to discuss the movie and share your opinion. I never put anyone down for liking the film in the first place


The second line of your original post says otherwise

Are they too lazy to read subtitles or what?

i was only wondering why people, Americans in particular, feel the need to remake a superb movie.

Swedish and British people decided to remake this movie. The Swedish people tried to get the English version before the Swedish version even started filming.

There are plenty of US remakes that are useful for your anti-USA agenda. This one obviously doesn't fit.

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Seriously you again? The same lines again and again. And you dont even realize it. Creepy!
Btw I didnt know you could put anyone down by asking a question. Thought it leaves enough room for discussion and argumentation.

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Seriously you again? The same lines again and again. And you dont even realize it. Creepy!

You can't change facts so anytime you bring them up, it will be the same. This movie will always be made by Hammer studios and the original idea for it will always have come from the Swedish producers of LTROI. It's never going to be something you can use to attack "Americans".
Btw I didnt know you could put anyone down by asking a question. Thought it leaves enough room for discussion and argumentation.

Glad I could help. Yes you can insult people with the way you ask a question....like you did.

Some examples would include:

"Are you an idiot, or what?"
"Do you smell bad, or what?"

A non insulting way to ask that question would be:

"Why do audiences in the US prefer films in their own language?"

Or maybe:

"Why is the US like every other country and prefers films in their own language?"

That promotes discussion instead of a reaction to being called "lazy".

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Well, the fact that the studio is british doesnt make the movie british so in your world its a "fact", not in mine. But we had this discussion already and i dont wanna have it with you again. Especially since someone else commented and you just popped in with repetitions.
The question about the laziness was not intended to be insulting and so far no one felt insulted until the last thin skinned (big insult, destroy me NOW!) commenter who took it obviously way too personally and felt attacked for whatever reason.

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Well, the fact that the studio is british doesnt make the movie british so in your world its a "fact"

It was made by a British studio with the blessing of Swedish filmmakers. It's not really complicated. The attempt to "blame Americans" is aimed at the wrong movie.
The question about the laziness was not intended to be insulting

It was worded badly then. Not sure how you go about asking if an entire society is lazy without being insulting.

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Look at this OP acting like Americans are the only ones that do remakes. And this movie was an IMPROVEMENT over the original.

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Agreed. I saw LTROI first and thought it was good, but I was anxious to see the 'remake', redo, whatever, and was thoroughly rewarded when I finally got to.

My view? Movies are meant to be watched and listened to. That put anybody with poor eyesight for reading subtitles, or who doesn't understand Swedish, in the dumps for the original.

I say? Instead of subtitling, dub the film into other languages. It gives a lot of work to hungry voice-over actors. And after all, even in the Swedish original, they dubbed the little girl's voice.

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^This

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My view? Movies are meant to be watched and listened to. That put anybody with poor eyesight for reading subtitles, or who doesn't understand Swedish, in the dumps for the original.

There are many valid reasons for preferring non-subtitled movies which have exactly nothing to do with being "lazy" as is the normal accusation. The difficulty of getting the original message into the subs is just a part of the process. They have to make sacrifices often. Missing things onscreen is another downside. A reaction shot from a non speaking character is often missed due to reading the dialog. The director doesn't fill a movie with moments he doesn't think you need to see. The only movies where reading dialog is planned were the movies made in the silent era.

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And this movie was an IMPROVEMENT over the original.

Well I like LMI a lot more, but there is no way to tell which one is "better" because every person could give you a different answer.

For instance, I think the acting is a lot better across the board in Let Me In, but how do you actually measure acting? What is "better directing"? "Better lighting"? "Better cinematography"? "Better music"?

That's kinda why it's good to have remakes because you give more people a chance to enjoy a story. Anything that changes will appeal to new people. Without LMI, I would have seen LTROI and moved on never to give it much thought again. Liked it...didn't love it. I never would have bought the novel either.

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You missed the point and youre taking things here a little too personally
Youre the ignorant one here.


So you call me ignorant and I shouldn't take it personally?

You missed the point ......

YOU missed EVERY point I raised about the American version and why I prefer it to LTROI.
If this board is indeed for discussion then what I offered is valid reason for such a discussion.
What I posted provides reasons as to why American viewers might prefer our version. These of course are some of MY reasons, but they are not unique to me personally. I'm sure that others may have their own reasons as well.

Lol. Well, im sorry to burst your bubble but youre not the hub of the world


Well I'm not laughing and YOU are not "funny". You know very well what your intentions are. I'm not living in any "bubble" and I am not trying to be the hub of anything.
Those who seem to feel the right to dictate what movies should and shouldn't be remade and why, seem like they are trying to be hub of the world; not ME.

BTW Unlike others here I am not going to continue with endless banter about this.
I will leave others to decide who and what is ignorant here.

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Look, you obviously are going to banter and are trying quite hard to come across as very smart since you just invested a lot of time into this post and deleted the previous one. I have stated my views and opinion several times, already before you started posting here so dont make it seem like you didnt know how i think about remakes, this one in particular.

So you call me ignorant and I shouldn't take it personally?

I was referring to your first posting, taking the discussion and my opinion about the movie too personally since you were raging. So dont justify it with the ignoarant thing which came only later.

Well I'm not laughing and YOU are not "funny". You know very well what your intentions are. I'm not living in any "bubble" and I am not trying to be the hub of anything.
Those who seem to feel the right to dictate what movies should and shouldn't be remade and why, seem like they are trying to be hub of the world; not ME.


I dont know why youre assuming it but i never intended to be funny. Im German after all...
Im also not dictating anything. God! I was just wondering why Americans feel the need to make so many (bad) remakes of good movies. As i have stated already several times(!!!)
And they are free to make as many as they want to. I just dont appreciate them.
I guess you werent "trying" to be the hub of anything because most of the time people are not aware of traits like this. But i have a feeling you would have a hard time understanding that so im not going to elaborate.

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God! I was just wondering why Americans feel the need to make so many (bad) remakes of good movies. As i have stated already several times(!!!)

That's probably why you run into conflicts on a board of a movie made by a British studio at the behest of a Swedish production team.

Maybe try your crusade on the board of a remake actually made by an American studio?

The other part that gets you into conflicts is acting like you know what "good" and "bad" is in art. You of course dismiss any opinion on that which doesn't agree with your own. Those things don't exist in art. Every single time someone tries to declare they know the quality of a movie it causes strife. Especially when said person claims their opinion on that subject carries more weight than that of other people.

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I actually was thinking whether i should write "my oppinion" after the "bad" but i thought brackets would be enough. Apparently not.
And many people say "oh, its art, theres no good and bad". There might not be a good or bad but there certainly are levels in quality, talent and demand. Why is a Picasso, Monet or Klimt painting so coveted? Because its art on a high level. Not every single one likes it but the majority thinks its good and thats what matters.
And as you can see, Lรฅt Den Rรคtte Komma In has a significantly higher rating. So me finding the remake bad isnt a surprise. (like many other posters here too but you know them anyway since you reply to all of them with your usual phrases :D)

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There might not be a good or bad but there certainly are levels in quality, talent and demand. Why is a Picasso, Monet or Klimt painting so coveted? Because its art on a high level. Not every single one likes it but the majority thinks its good and thats what matters.
And as you can see, Lรฅt Den Rรคtte Komma In has a significantly higher rating. So me finding the remake bad isnt a surprise.

You can find it "bad" but that means something only to you.

There are differences in demand, but no difference in quality. And "talent" is subjective too.

Which painter is the best and/or most talented? Rank them in order to prove this exists in art:
Monet, Picasso, and Klimt.

Can't do it, can you? That's because every person can put them in a different order and none of them would be wrong.

If you want to place some importance on "majority thinks it's good"...then guess what? The majority thinks LMI is good too. So does that make your opinion wrong or does the "majority" mean exact zero in art?

And if you think the IMDB rating means something, that must mean LTROI is not as good as every movie ranked above it, right? Or do you now see that means nothing as well? We all know about fanboy voting on IMDB. Going by that list, Chris Nolan is the greatest director of all time. Everything he makes is way better than LTROI, right?

Or maybe you think critics are in charge of deciding what "quality" is in art? Do you still believe that when Swedish critics make a list of the 25 best Swedish movies of all time and LTROI doesn't even make the list?

Any measure put forth to try and measure art fails almost instantly. The instant you disagree with any ranking, that renders it moot.

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Which painter is the best and/or most talented? Rank them in order to prove this exists in art:
Monet, Picasso, and Klimt.
Can't do it, can you? That's because every person can put them in a different order and none of them would be wrong.


As i already said, you cant put them in order, especially not by "best" and "worst or "good" and "bad" but you sure can differentiate by success and demand and also by quality/difficulty (there are many ranges so theyd have to be set). I myself am probably the worst drawer ever but youd certainly find a few who like it. But id never become a highly praised, successful drawer. Because MANY find that there are BETTER ones.

And if you think the IMDB rating means something, that must mean LTROI is not as good as every movie ranked above it, right? Or do you now see that means nothing as well? We all know about fanboy voting on IMDB. Going by that list, Chris Nolan is the greatest director of all time. Everything he makes is way better than LTROI, right?


Well, the original point here was to compare an original and a remake.
Comparing two completely different, independent movies that are not related is something else and a bad example.

Christopher Nolans movies are not "better" (because everyone can decide that for him-/herself) but different. His movies are thought through. He sets a certain level of intellect and many people appreciate that.

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As i already said, you cant put them in order, especially not by "best" and "worst or "good" and "bad" but you sure can differentiate by success and demand and also by quality/difficulty (there are many ranges so theyd have to be set). I myself am probably the worst drawer ever but youd certainly find a few who like it. But id never become a highly praised, successful drawer. Because MANY find that there are BETTER ones.

I agree we can figure out what art is more popular. The Twilight movies are far more popular vampire movies than LMI or LTROI for instance.

But try using popularity as a measure and most people reject it immediately....which further proves there is no way to measure art. Star Wars was the most popular movie last year....was that the best movie released? Or was it Spotlight?...winner of the Best Picture Oscar? But we don't agree with awards either, do we?

So many methods for measuring art...and they all fail. They don't even come up with the same movie most of the time!
Well, the original point here was to compare an original and a remake.
Comparing two completely different, independent movies that are not related is something else and a bad example.

Christopher Nolans movies are not "better" (because everyone can decide that for him-/herself) but different. His movies are thought through. He sets a certain level of intellect and many people appreciate that.

I don't think we can pick and choose when we want to accept a measurement of "quality" in art. Either it works or it doesn't work. If the IMDB ranking works that means the Shawshank Redemption is the best movie ever made.

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I guess studios try to make some bucks out of foreign films, repackaging them for the American market. This one must have been titillating at the time, because of the Twilight madness and all that stuff. What is sad, many Americans do not bother to watch the original film, thinking that the remake is exactly the same, so they just stop at the remake, missing out so much. I always push my American friends to watch the original version.

Over Let me in, I watched it a few days ago for the first time. I love the book and of the Swedish version since they came out. With the remake, I got pretty much what I expected. It is shot scene by scene like Let the right one... Apart the initial scene, as they show Hakan, (or whatever is his name in the remake), being transported to the hospital, and the girl visiting him. I was glad for at least that little change. Another different scene is how Hakan gets in trouble. Oh, and they show a picture of the girl and Hakan together when he was a kid. In the book she met him when he was already an adult, in the Swedish film it is not really specified. I think that was all.

Moreover they took away all the "social" aspects of the film, that made the original appealing to adults, as, for example, the relationship between the alcoholics, and added instead supercheesy effects and noises to the scenes where the girl attacks her victims...
So basically they reduced the story to a cute dark supernatural teen film.
My partner (who is American and 40 y.o.) appreciatedy the references to certain sweets they show as he also used to like them as a child, but for the rest he also consider the original film superior in basically every aspect.

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Agree with you, but don't forget: The original rights-holders made a mint off the remake. Everybody seems to forget that no remake can be made without the 'collusion' of the original rights-holders.

I'm a writer, and if I ever get anything produced I hope that every single sales territory around the world wants its very own version in its very own language = $$$. Not to mention the TV, action figure, novelization/graphic novels, T-shirts, etc. etc.

The Yankees aren't the bad guys here. Nobody is, unless one is anti-capitalist.

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Hi Cassbtt, yes I guess you are right, it is not only the studio that made money, it is also the writer of the book, and who holds the rights. Despite all this, people making money and all the good that brings with it, I do not like the idea of a story that is attached to a certain place to be eradicated and moved to a completely different place, taking away from it a lot of its meaning, and what makes it special. I do not know what kind of literature you write, maybe some stories are not really tied to a certain place and time, and then can be adapted to very different surroundings, but many others are, and lose a lot if re-set in a different place with different people. I am Italian, and I can say this for a lot of classic Italian films that have been remade set in different countries like the US, sometimes they were decent remakes, but they still felt like they had lost their soul. Same would be if, for example, somebody in Italy would decide to remake, for example, Midnight Cowboy, set in Rome instead. It would work but it would feel soulless I think. Don' t you think, as a writer and creator of characters and situations, that you would feel some bitterness to see them changed so much in different countries' versions and different languages? Hope my post is not too confusing.

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Your post isn't confusing, but you are not acknowledging the not-unexpected difference between the person who writes the story, and the millions of fans who end up loving it.

The person who write it loves his or her story, but he/she also all wants it to be experienced widely. Fans tend to look at it only from their own point of view.

Even if the original LTROI was in Swedish, for it to be exploited internationally means dubbing the voices or adding subtitles, and that translation always 'changes' the soul of the story a little bit. There's no getting around it.

I just think all this 'the Yankees should be condemned for remaking this great movie' are ignoring the fact that it wouldn't and couldn't have happened if Lindqvist didn't let it happen.

Now, you appear simply to be somebody who prefers the original vs. the remake. Fine. But some want to make it their business to protest the act of making the second film quite vociferously. To them, I say protest the writer for letting it happen.

But I'll tell you, as a writer, I'd find it pretty arrogant for 'fans' to limit my work to one sale. Even writers need to eat, as they say.

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Hi,

Yes I understand your point of view as a writer and I wish you success with what you do. I have noticed there are a lot of childish posts regarding the original Swedish film and the remake in both boards, I do not want to get involved with those.

I think it would be better if money was spent more often, instead of remaking whatever seems to be at the given moment a potential commercial success, in new stories, this way giving a wider number of writers the way of getting known and make money.

There are so many amazing books I would love to see a film adaptation of, and it is frustrating to see instead so many remakes, especially of films that are neither old or badly executed. I do not know how the cinema industry works that well, but I think it would be better if the original film would have had a wider distribution instead.

Lindqvist gave the rights for his book to be remade, you would do the same for your books as far as I have understood, and that is fine, it is understandable, why spit on money. But at the same time there are many writers, also many famous ones, that have been really frustrated by changes made to their work in film adaptations, and felt very bitter about all the business. Another common thing is that if a book have commercial success often studios keep making remakes of that story without even checking out the new material of the writer. For these reasons I do see a huge bad side to this kind of remakes, Let me in included. I do not see it anymore as a form of expression but merely as a product.

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I guess studios try to make some bucks out of foreign films, repackaging them for the American market. This one must have been titillating at the time, because of the Twilight madness and all that stuff.

Twilight wasn't released until Nov of 2008. LMI was already in the planning stages at that point and Reeves had completed the first draft of his script.

The Swedish producers of LTROI tried to get an English language version made before the Swedish version was even finished. They were the reason LMI was made. The author also loves LMI as well and it made him a lot of money.
What is sad, many Americans do not bother to watch the original film, thinking that the remake is exactly the same, so they just stop at the remake, missing out so much. I always push my American friends to watch the original version.

I agree they are different movies. If they were the same I would like them the same. I like LMI more because of the changes they made. Everything from getting rid of the town drunks to devoting more screen time to the kids (the characters that interest me), to changing the drunk Van Helsing wannabe to a Cop. I also like the adding themes of "little girl", "Romeo & Juliet", and "addiction" in the narrative. All the changes to the four main characters were improvements in my mind.
With the remake, I got pretty much what I expected. It is shot scene by scene like Let the right one... Apart the initial scene, as they show Hakan, (or whatever is his name in the remake), being transported to the hospital, and the girl visiting him. I was glad for at least that little change. Another different scene is how Hakan gets in trouble. Oh, and they show a picture of the girl and Hakan together when he was a kid. In the book she met him when he was already an adult, in the Swedish film it is not really specified. I think that was all.

Moreover they took away all the "social" aspects of the film, that made the original appealing to adults, as, for example, the relationship between the alcoholics, and added instead supercheesy effects and noises to the scenes where the girl attacks her victims...
So basically they reduced the story to a cute dark supernatural teen film.

Are you saying the two movies are too much alike or too different? Sounds like you are complaining about both.

This really comes down to the one you see first. That one will always seem "better" because it's the first time you saw the story. Works the same way with music. We can hear a remake of a song first and that will be our favorite unless we hated it to begin with. Things almost worked out so you would have seen LMI first...or there may not have been a Swedish version at all.

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Hi Harpo,

About the first bit, I don' t know, for what I can see from the internet, it seems the project for the film of Let the right... started in 2004 in Sweden, and turned out as it was planned from the beginning. I could not find any reference regarding them wishing to do the original already in English instead of Swedish. That does not mean that it could not have happened, I guess you read this, maybe true or not, but I am happy that it went as it did, with a first film that is very close to its source material.

About Twilight, I have to admit, I do not know much about Twilight, I assumed that had come out earlier, and that could have been a possible reason for the interest in the remake, my wrong.

About the criticism I have made of the remake, I explain it again, it felt to me as a simplified copy of the original, taking out several characters and scenes that were in the book and that I had really loved. I do not mean offense, but to me it felt like Let the right... for dummies. But as you said, you did not miss those characters and scenes, you were happy there was more place for the 2 main characters, and you found the changes to the main characters good, while I found them bad.

Finally, I am sure I would not have liked better the remake would I have seen that one first. I am not a type who is easily victim to "imprinting" filmwise, or musicwise. Had I seen the remake first I would have easily and quickly forgotten it. The original instead touched me and I did run to buy the book immediately after. It touched me because of its original settings, of the social drama aspects of it, the mystery that hints to something much bigger lurking in the background. I was happy to discover, while rading the book, that these aspects that I loved in the original film were explored and explained even deeper. But unfortunately they were non existent in the remake.

I guess we could talk about the rights and wrongs of these 2 films forever, (and this is something I really love to do in a bar with friends and a few drinks). But at the end of the day everybody has different taste and get touched by different things. It takes empathy and closeness to a person to start to see and feel things with their view, it is much more difficult through a site board.



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About the first bit, I don' t know, for what I can see from the internet, it seems the project for the film of Let the right... started in 2004 in Sweden, and turned out as it was planned from the beginning. I could not find any reference regarding them wishing to do the original already in English instead of Swedish. That does not mean that it could not have happened, I guess you read this, maybe true or not, but I am happy that it went as it did, with a first film that is very close to its source material.

Interesting article about LMI here and they mention it:

But unlike many remakes landing in theaters these days, "Let Me In" was hardly the result of Hollywood executives vampirically scouring for any foreign-language hit they could get their hands on. Producers of "Let the Right One In" had actually started aggressively shopping a remake before the Swedish-language version even began shooting, meeting with American studio executives and producers (including, incidentally, J.J. Abrams).

Hammer Films, an iconic British horror label that had been dormant for decades, decided to take on the remake as the first step of its resurrection. "We didn't even need to see the finished film to know this was special," said Hammer's Nigel Sinclair, a "Let Me In" producer.


http://articles.latimes.com/2010/sep/30/local/la-et-let-me-in-20100930

I guess we could talk about the rights and wrongs of these 2 films forever, (and this is something I really love to do in a bar with friends and a few drinks). But at the end of the day everybody has different taste and get touched by different things. It takes empathy and closeness to a person to start to see and feel things with their view, it is much more difficult through a site board.

I agree. That is why it is a good thing to have two versions of this story...more people will be able to enjoy it. No movie can please everyone. The things you like about LTROI are some of the things I didn't like (the town drunks). So a different take on it casts a wider net. It certainly helped John Ajvide Lindqvist since I too went out and bought the novel as soon as I saw LMI. I had previously seen LTROI and reacted as you said you would if you had seen LMI first. I liked it ok, but didn't plan to watch it again. But LMI increased my interest greatly and I not only bought the novel...I bought a copy of LTROI too! They certainly got my money. ๐Ÿ˜€

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Your experience and mine are similar. In MY case, I saw LMI and loved the movie and found the acting amazing. I wanted more. Naturally when i found out that there was a swedish version of the movie, (and people were saying it was "better") I wanted to see the original version. I purchased a copy. The perspective was a bit different. I feel that seeing the LMI version first and connecting with the movie, the characters, and the references to a world and culture that I am familiar with; it was a clear favorite with me.
Under NO circumstances would I attempt to "put down" LTROI. i fully understand peoples connection to it. I understand the difficulty in placing the movie in the hands of 2 (12yr aprox.) kids and being able to deliver a high quality movie that will capture everyone's attention. There are people who just respond negatively to kids in film, for whatever reason. I so much appreciate what they contribute and add to film. Both movies totally depend on these kids to deliver the story line. Both succeed well.

Next I wanted to see the original material, the book. I wanted to see the original story and how each film adapted that material. I regard that each movie looked at the material from a slightly different perspective. Each adapted it to the culture that would be the primary audience. Both were done very nicely.

So the bottom line here is that I am not trying to pit one movie against the other. The fact that I liked LMI more is not at the expense of the other version. I feel that LMI more than achieved its goal in bringing me to the alternate version and to the source material. So in MY book that makes it very successful.

What angered me in all of this was the use of an old implication that Americans were just too lazy to read subtitles and than (seemingly) "dumbed down" English spoken versions are all that we can relate to. Its a biased and prejudiced notion.

I also do not see the need to belittle either piece of work, in this case. Like yourself, I am glad that there is an opportunity to see a different version. Im glad that they got me interested in the book. I really dont see anything else I can say or add.

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FWIW -- As Casbtt says above, there is no remake, unless they sell the rights to making the remake. When Hammer bought the rights, they legitimately believed that the Swedish Language version did not have a market outside of Sweden. The producers of Let the Right One In hoped that there would be such a market, but they did not truly believe it -- they marketed the original film and the remake at the same film show.

Hammer was never in the position to buy the distribution rights of the Swedish Language version. They were trying to reboot the Hammer film studio, and looking for a project to do that. Simon Oakes has reported that he was crestfallen when he saw the advertising poster for Let the Right One In because it affected his strategy to reboot Hammer. He would have chosen a different project -- but he had already invested in Let Me In.

With the remake, I got pretty much what I expected. It is shot scene by scene like Let the right one...


One area that I would disagree with is this "shot by shot" remake. Let Me In uses most of the same scenes, but it tells a different story using the same base material.

I've often said that in Let the Right One In, Oskar goes from being a budding sociopath to being a good person because of Eli, whereas in Let Me In, Owen goes from being a good person to a budding sociopath.

Mostly this is because of thematic choices made by Reeves. His theme is Owen trying to understand the nature of evil -- moving from his mother's religious dogma to becoming intrigued by Abby. This is why the story begins with Reagan's "Evil Empire" speech in the background ("There is sin and evil in the world, and weโ€™re enjoined by Scripture and the Lord Jesus to oppose it with all our might.")

The key scene is when he recognizes "the father" in the picture strip. Unlike Oskar, Owen knows exactly what it means to be with Abby. He watched everyone -- including Abby's "Father".

Let the Right One In tells a coming of age story of two children who grow closer together despite their diverse backgrounds. The end of that film is happy because it is one moment in time. Neither Oskar, nor Eli understand what the future will hold. They are still children, so they haven't given it any thought. Oskar will likely grow tired of that life very quickly and head home -- but the moment in time is happy.

Owen knows exactly what is expected of him, yet he chose to leave with Abby despite this. The reasons are more complex, but it basically understanding that good and evil are not two different people. They coexist within each of us. That is why Let Me In is a different story despite the use of many similar scenes. It is not a "shot by shot" remake. Not by any stretch.


๐Ÿ‘ฟ I know something you don't know ... I am ambidextrous!

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