If he had turned his considerable intellect toward something creative like a cheap, efficient energy source or something. It would have been so simple. I mean, what does Hammer really have to offer besides punching things? Dumbest smart guy ever.
"Why do you say this to me when you know I will kill you for it?"
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If he had given up his plan to rob that van he would have had her. But hey, a man's gotta do what a man's gotta do.
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Yeah, and that really worked out for him, didn't it? Horrible was a fool in my opinion.
"Why do you say this to me when you know I will kill you for it?"
Penny really liked Billy. She didn't care for Captain Hammer very much. She was sneaking off the stage while he was speaking, didn't you notice?
Penny had feelings for Billy of which she was unaware. The irony was that Billy should have been the good guy and Captain Hammer should have been the bad guy. Did you miss how crass and cowardly Captain Hammer was? Not a good guy, not at all. His actions killed Penny and he failed to slow down to see how she was.
Here's the real question: was it better or worse that Penny still had faith in Hammer at the end?
well.. its kind of tragic. I mean we want to believe in our HEROES.
I think the idea of rooting for the bad guy was one of the sheer bits of genius of the entire thing. I mean we always want to see evil punished. But.. at the end, we see the good guy incapacitated, the villain win and the one innocent in the middle murdered.
I think that's what makes this a very tragic but sweet film. You see Horrible as actually the sympathetic underdog. Although his goal is anarachy of which he is in charge. Then you have the media addicted Capt. Hammer. Who is so completely UNLIKABLE if you listen to him for five minutes, but his deeds have spoken louder than his words. And he's gotten to having to inflate his already overinflated ego even more. BUT he's still played as kind of a meatheaded not necessarily vicious (aside from his clearly taking Penny from Horrible, just to prove he can).
That's why the whole thing works. If you had made Hammer the bad guy and Horrible the hero.. it would have just been another story with the bad guy being punished. In this way they flip that beautifully, although it does make me wonder where they could go with Horrible 2?
The thing is Dr. Horrible's main goal was not to get Penny, his crimes were his main goal. He wasn't doing them for her, but he assumed he would be able to get her once he became successful. After all she did seem to be attracted to power.
What? I read that completely different...
Penny (like every single woman I've ever met) was attracted to a confident, arrogant guy. Billy was insecure, which is why he sought approval from "Bad Horse".
The seminal line is when Penny approached Billy as he was preparing to rob the courier van:
Billy: She talked to me. Why did she talk to me now? Maybe I should...A man's got to do what a man's got to do...
Billy was consumed by his "mission" and forgot his goal.
like every single woman Ive met
You've got a sad outlook on women lol
Or shtty luck with women, but thats probably on account of your etiquette lol
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Penny was just wooed at the fact that hammer "saved her life" Nothing other.
I mean she even states to Billy that she first thought of Hammer as a big hunk o cheese.
it wasn't until he saved her that she became interested.
Also, we are shown that billy has YET to make contact with Penny.
So all of his false desires to "show her he's truly a villain" are based on an image of a person he doesn't even know. He thinks he'll win her over, with truly being Evil. When that's not at all what she wants, she wants to caring person that sees her two times a week. And she doesn't want the super hero either.
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Is my etiquette really that bad? I will work on that! :)
Let's forget about my personal experience and look at the characters instead.
He thinks he'll win her over, with truly being Evil. When that's not at all what she wantsI agree. It's not at all what she wants, it's just what Billy think she wants.
she wants to caring person that sees her two times a week. And she doesn't want the super hero either.Don't you think Billy would see her twice a week, and care for her?
I think it's clear in the song "So They Say" that he could already have her. She's obviously not actually that into Captain Hammer, but just thinks that she should be with him because it makes sense on paper and he's helping her with her homeless shelter. I get this from the line "This is perfect for me / So they say / I guess it's pretty okay."
And you can see that she does already have feelings for Billy because as she sings about how only "okay" her relationship with Hammer is, she is waiting alone in the laundromat with two frozen yogurts for a Billy who never shows, and when the door opens she looks at it excitedly and then shows disappointment when it isn't Billy.
This!
I agree with ftloosenfanzfree. That was what I was thinking when I watched it, she was waiting for him in the laundry thingy while singing that "she guessed Ct.Hammer was okay", so I think if Dr. Horrible had not let Hammer chase him off her, and into his psycho mood that he was going to kill him, he could have gotten Penny after Hammer`s stupid speech where he yells out how he had sex with her :P
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I think when she gently lifts Billy's head in the laundromat, is when we get the first glimpse that he had a chance.
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You mean if Horrible wasn't a raging psychopath who thought of himself as a "Nice Guy (TM)"?
I've always seen this as an indictment of the self-imagined "nice guys" who in reality aren't actually so nice. For all of Captain Hammer's bluster and machismo, he was the one fighting crime and helping open a homeless shelter, not building a "death ray" to use to kill the guy who's dating his crush.
Doctor Horrible was a vicious, megalomaniacal lunatic. He had fantasies of ruling the world and was obsessed with (and stalking!) Penny.
Remember, serial killers always seem quiet and shy on the surface. But "it's not who you are underneath, but what you do that defines you." However he viewed himself, Doctor Horrible was a villain.
duh?
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and uh, you know who is also quiet and shy on the surface?
Quiet and shy people...
you're effin retarded, and your argument is retarded. Did you reaaaaaaaaaally just quote Batman? really?
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OH MY GOD! Thank you so much for being the only person who understood this
shareHorrible actively defined himself as a villain. Sure he was a shy, quiet guy, and all that stuff, but he aspired to be a bad guy. What did he think bad guys actually do? He reminds me of an adult version of those kids who pull off school shootings, or a kid who joins a gang, and finds he's bitten off more than he can chew.
Despite being extremely arrogant, Hammer seemed okay in some respects, in fact it was Horrible who came of as being a dick when he was stalking Cpt. Hammer and Penny. I think that he genuinely came to care for Penny, who was making him less self-centred. "Everyone's a hero might have been an highly condescending song (when you're down and out, you don't want to be told to pull yourself up by your bootstraps by a man who's probably never suffered a day's adversity in his life) but Hammer, in his own meatheaded way, genuinely meant it.
Horrible could have put his brains to good use and become a superhero, but he chose the dark path without fully understanding what darkness is.
I think that was the point of the character. He was facing his own duality and wasn't sure which way to go. His affection for Penny was his humanity trying to come out but his desire to be the villain was to great.
He was not successful as a villain because he tried to keep that part of his humanity alive. It isn't until he loses Penny that he truly gives up that humanity.
It also seemed that the reason he wanted to take over was because he thought that was the only way to fix the world. So it showed there was good in him just misplaced ideals.
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Reading the comments in this thread make me realize just how well-written the story is.
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