Any update on Phil ?
Just curious.
shareAccording to this blog post from August 27, 2011...
http://www.runningonjuice.com/2011/08/27/sp-what-happened-to-phil-stap les-and-joe-cross-after-fat-sick-and-nearly-dead/
"...Phil went from a whopping 429 pounds to 225 pounds. A net weight loss of 204 pounds! Amazing! He is now around 250 pounds."
So it appears that his weight has stabilized and he's no longer a cheeseburger away from a heart-attack.
You don't know that. He's done such damage to his internals that he's a ticking time bomb regardless of the weight loss. Same with Joe.
shareDon't be such a misery guts.
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Just because someone makes a comment you do not like … and his comment is not offensive or insulting either … does not mean he is in some way deficient or inferior to you. He has a point. You might not like to hear it, and it may or may not be correct about Phil, but I am really getting sick of the fake positivity from people like you. If you want to attack people there are plenty of really useless comments on IMDB and else that you can tilt at.
There are many factors in health and sickness. They are just finding out and doing studies on stress. Joe is probabaly better off because he is rich and famous and can do anything he wants, but Phil probably has chronic stress and bad self-esteem, and those problems cause stress hormones to be released constantly that affect your health and your mental attitude.
To address stuff like that we need to change our whole society, not just drink juice for 2 months, although it certainly will help to remove aggravating lifestyle factors to gain back health.
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I did not say you were fake, but that your "positivity" was. You have no reason
or backup for attacking the previous poster. Play up your sarcasm all your want,
but it doesn't make a point or show any logic.
You might also wonder if there were a couple of Phils that did not make it into the movie.
You might also ask how the experience for Joe and Phil is different from the average
home based working citizen who wants to lose weight.
There is a lot that was not shown in the movie and if you want to get all sarcastic and
make the discussion about your emotional outbursts, sorry, I'm not interested.
Thanks bruce. That was exactly my point. The idea that 90 days of juice fasting is going to reverse all the damage done over 40+ years is laughable. At best Phil has a chance to live 10 years long then he otherwise would have.
shareWhy is the Internet so full of "experts" like yourself and bruce, with zero credibility but an opinion that is touted as fact? While Joe had the support of expert doctors and promoted a diet based on proven whole food components, I'm willing to bet you're basing your prognosis on cynicism and a need to be right. How do you know that modifying diet to incorporate macronutrients does not repair the body or that Phil has at best an additional 10 years? In the same way alveoli repair themselves after you stop smoking, the body's ability to heal itself is quite remarkable. Nobody was suggesting that 90 days of juice fasting was going to reverse all the damage Phil did to his body during a lifetime of poor nutrition. But healthy eating following the juice fast may well do.
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Why does Joe have credibility, or his doctor? Most of the people proclaiming Joe a saint are vegans who have a vested interest in promoting a vegan life-style. This isn't because it will make people healthy, but because they believe eating meat is a great sin and by convincing people that meat is bad for you, they don't have to convince you that meat is murder.
There is nothing "proven" about this diet or any other whole food diet. Unless you have information that hasn't been shared with us, we have a N=2 study, created by someone with a vested interest in proving that this diet is awesome. Thus the credibility is already shot. Then you have someone remove dozens of variables in someone's life-style and declares that there's only one variable that was actually meaningful. It's like someone stops smoking and starts using Himalayan salt lamps, improves his health after a while, and then credits the Himalayan salt lamps for this improved health.
This film was an emotionally manipulative, biased story that didn't make sense once I thought about it. Why does a millionaire have to travel to America to start this fast? Why a veggie smoothie fast? Why not just cut out all processed foods? Meat is still perfectly acceptable, along with whole foods. There's nothing scientific about anything Joe did, or what he said. Especially the part where he's like "If I cut myself, my body heals, therefore my body can heal my auto-immune issues." If you have any understanding of physiology, you should have alarm bells going off from this sentence. I'll be sure to tell that to diabetics, they don't need insulin, they just need to eat more fruit and veggie juice to cure themselves.
You don't know that. He's done such damage to his internals that he's a ticking time bomb regardless of the weight loss. Same with Joe.
That's not necessarily true - a person can actually reverse and repair damage they have done to themselves through improper diet and nutrition, and lack of exericse if they can turn it around and move toward a healthy lifestyle. If he continues to do the right things, he could very well live into his 80s or 90s.
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Exactly, juicing rids the body of toxins and revitalizes the body. The film showed that Phil had gone from being someone in extremely bad health to someone who was healthy in the span of one or two months, at least in many of the measures that clinic used.
shareI agree, getting fit and healthy doesn't take that long. You can go from a total couch potato to a pretty in shape athlete in a few months if you do it properly. In the same period you can see a lot of other beneficial changes if you change other aspects of your lifestyle.
shareI found the FEATURES section of the movie fascinating. They interview those who fasted months later, like 6 months plus later. It's been a year since I've watched it. They all seem slim and healthy, and happy, and free of their health issues... like they've been given a second chance at life. The FEATURES also explains what happens when you do a juice fast and that actually in caveman times, fasting was a natural part of life.
If you watch the movie, you would see that Phil had repeated testing during his fast and all of his abnormal test results (including HBP, diabetes, etc) return to normal even before he loses all the weight. By the end of his fast he is a totally different person, loving himself, teaching others how to get healthy, and letting his son see him for the first time in a long time.
He did well for a while. Then he had a whirlwind romance and marriage and another divorce, his third. He returned to truck driving and he's gained all the weight back. But his is only one story. There are many more success stories on Joe Cross' website: rebootwithjoe.com
shareThat's pretty typical for extreme personalities.
shareA lot of research coming out now suggests that phytonutrients and some forms of good cholesterol can play a role in 'repairing' the cardiovascular system.
Basically, a healthy nutrient rich and diverse diet focussed on vegies can reverse cardiovascular diseases to a degree.