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Vogel should've been tortured. Anybody agree?


Am I the only one who was PISSED at how idiotic the agents were in handling, and eventually losing Vogel?

Here is how I would've done it:

-Vogel should've been tortured and beaten while being confined.

-David should've told Vogel: "you injected dye into children's eyes." Now I'm going to change your blue Aryan eyes to blood red." Vogel's face goes from arrogant, to bewildered, to terrified. David then takes a scalpel, grabs Vogel's hair and bashes his head against the wall. He knees him in the balls twice to subdue him and stop his squirming. Then, he carefully carves out Vogel's right eye, but doesn't do it deep enough to kill him.

-Stefan joins the fun and stomps on Vogel's knees, then breaks his ankles. "This is how my people felt, you g0dd@mn scumbag. I thought the Aryan people were flawless. Flawless people shouldn't scream like a little coward. What's the matter, are you scared, little Aryan?? You think I'm going to experiment on you?" Just for fun, he continues to torque and twist Vogel's joints until they are dust. As a coup de tat, he kicks him in the balls once more.

-Rachel doesn't physically attack him, but she kneels down to him as he's crying, holds up his chin, says "You better enjoy the pain, because it will only get worse. Get ready to experience the same agony you put my people through. Nobody will help you. This is my Auschwitz. This is my Birkenau. You are our prisoner. And you will experience something truly horrifying." She clears her throat and spits a giant mucus wad in the bloodied right eye, causing more pain.

-The pain and torture continues, but Vogel is still kept alive and fed moldy food. He is monitored to prevent suicide. The trio successfully transports him to Israel for his trial.

-The taping shows him on the stand with a right eye patch, broken, disheveled and miserable. He is in a specialized wheelchair to brace his broken legs. His sentence is read and he is convicted to die on war crimes charges.

-He is then escorted to the gallows, where the original trio are there to witness his hanging. He barely looks at them. Rachel's voice pierces the air: "You are just one in many, Vogel. We will find the rest of you, make you feel the same pain, and send them to the grave to reacquaint with you. Even in your death, we will be there. The avenging angels. We will haunt you in your trip to hell as we watch the devil repeatedly rape you and your goddamn aryan minions, one at a time. Your torture has ended, but your pain has just begun. Sieg Heil and shalom to you." The floor collapses beneath him and his neck is broken.

***By the way, DO NOT GIVE ME that "you're just stooping down to his level" GARBAGE. That's how you deal with swine like him and terrorists today.

Fast forward to modern days:

All three agent return to their lives, feeling happy. David and Rachel begin to feel like they went too far, and should've just brought Vogel back to Israel unharmed. Stefan cuts in and says the torture needed to be done. They were only torturing a monster, not some random criminal.

He further explains that you can still be a good person, but allow your dark side to come out ONLY against sick individuals who deserve nasty treatment. Furthermore, the world needs to know that Nazis got more than their true comeuppance. It was a psychological signal to the remaining Nazis still in hiding. It brought great satisfaction to all three knowing that the Nazis did not only fear being captured and tried....but being tortured as well.

It brought great joy for the Nazis to feel the same fear of being chased, captured, beaten, tortured and killed....just like the six million European Jews felt.

After many hours of rationalizing, all 3 agents continued with their lives, raising families, being good people, satisfied with the Vogel treatment. They still retained their good hearts to those who deserved it. But in the case of hunting Nazis and in today's case, Islamic terrorists, they would HAPPILY return to their dark sides and inflict pain and punishment where it was due.

They had their scalpels and medical kits ready when the time called....

So there you have it, my version of The Debt.

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Yes, Khodgman1.

Even in today's crimes, I feel like the victims are ROBBED when the perpetrator is punished by an injection, a poison pellet or other death done by an employee if the state.

Sometimes, families are happy enough with this. That's fine. But for example, Jerry Sandusky. He should be ass raped with a pool cue, by the victims families....if they choose to do so. The torturer DESERVES to feel the same treatment.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8d88GWafUII




"Why a spoon cousin? Why not an axe?"

"Because it's dull you twit, it'll hurt more."


Think about it.




If the idea is to stay alive, I'm driving.

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Nobody could have done a better job than him, agreed.


And call off Christmas!




If the idea is to stay alive, I'm driving.

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Back to the subject. The ONLY film where nazis get properly treated is Inglorious Basterds. I would personally love to see more baseball bats and other weapons taken to nazi craniums in future films. Anything to forget about The Debt's incompetent morons.

Speaking of which, I'd like to see Hamas and Hezbollah jihadists get tortured. I got PISSED also when Munich went the sissy role and tried to humanize the parasitic, putrid Palestinian terrorists.

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Inglorious Bastards had the Allies behaving poorly. What they did was a war crime. Plain and simple. Illegal by the very treaties they signed. The Nazis were the innocent poor victims in that movie.

Now. If they had tortured and executed the Nazis after the unconditional surrender of Germany, that would have been another matter altogether. Rights go to the victors and all.

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"Remember what you are, remember what you are not."

A great quote by David in the midst of them beginning to break down, and probably eventually start to torture him. I agree, it would have been justified and rightfully so, but they were trying to prove a point. They felt that by bringing him to justice in a civilized way it would separate them from those who inflicted so much pain on them. Granted, would I have the will power not to do that? Probably not, but it also wasn't just about what they wanted, they had orders and were meant to follow them.

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Hear Hear!!!

It's my RIGHT to offend you!!!

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The reason they fed him, shaved him, and refused to torture him was to treat the Nazi prisoner humanely, in direct opposition to the way Nazis inhumanely treated their Jewish prisoners.

They believed in bringing him to trial, rather than simply assassinate him. You may disagree, but that was the motivations of the characters, and it would have been out of place to torture him or treat him inhumanely before bringing him to trial.

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Hey Doc,

You do know how the Jews got Palestine?

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It was called Palestine by Roman emperor Hadrian in 2nd century as a slap in the face to the Jews. The tradition is continued today, courtesy of the lame stream media and their Islamic terrorist friends.

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"It was called Palestine by Roman emperor Hadrian in 2nd century as a slap in the face to the Jews."

If you think that an Emperor (who has the RIGHT to do what he did) re-naming a town amounts to a 'slap', then you are easily offended. IMO, you 'smites' deserve to get slapped a lot more often...

"The tradition is continued today, courtesy of the lame stream media and their Islamic terrorist friends."

The media is 'lamestream' due to it being mostly owned by Isra-Hell and their friends, most of whom will call you an 'anti-semite' for pointing out the obvious - face facts - everything these 'semites' touch turns to manure soon enough .....

Oh yes, speaking of 'Islamic terrorist friends' - are you speaking of the same Jihadist elements currently fighting in Syria who are trained and backed by the CIA and Mossad and who were given air support by Israeli jets?!!!

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OP is insane, and i claim my five pounds.

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