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Why Did Rachel Allow the Surgeon to Inject Her?


When he asked, "may I?" after telling her about a new drug for her infertility why the *beep* would she agree to that? Knowing he was evil and NOT knowing what was in that needle?

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Vogel had been conducting early experiments with in vitro fertilization. The injection was of his semen, and Rachel's child, Sarah, was actually the daughter of Vogel as well. Sarah allowed the injection because that's what the person she was pretending to be would have done. She, of course, did not know the actual content of the injection.

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WHAATTT???? So Sarah (Rachel's daughter) is actually NOT her husband's dtr? Oh man. I thought the way Vogel phrased his question ("do you want to try it?") left her with the option of saying "no, not this time."

Thanks!

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Previous poster is pulling your leg.


Rachel was there as a patient.

The Doctor was probably administering an anisthetic or an experimental drug that all his colleagues were trying.

He was practicing as an OB GYN on people he believed were nonjews and had no reason to suspect Rachel of being Jewish ( her fair skin, red hair, argentinian accent, all pointed to her being a different ethnicity..she was the anti-stereotypical picture of a Jew)

Vogel only did the experiments on the Jewish people because in his sickness he actually believed he was doing nothing wrong and saw the Jews as untermenschen --subhuman.. To have used something toxic and poisonous on Rachel, while at the time thinking she was a Christian or otherwise a non-jew, would have, ironically, gone against his twisted sense of ethics. In his 'hiding out' life he actually was either being completely duplicitous at functioning as a sane member of society, or maybe he was trying to get back some of the humanity he lost as a monster researcher of the Nazis. Either way, to have harmed Rachel within the confines of his clinic, the innermost wall of the subterfuge he had created, would have been self destructive and totally against his sense of survival/self-preservation.

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And Rachel "knew" this so that's why she wasn't worried about his giving her something toxic? But still why would she even want an experimental drug used on her especially if she really wasn't infertile?

Thanks though!

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because she was a n00b operative. the movie shows time and time again she needed more emotional and psychological training to deal with her mission which she clearly didn't have enough of.

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On the other hand, Vogel had been asking her a number of questions that could have been interpreted as harmless chit-chat, but were actually aimed at determining if she was a Moussad agent. Had he suspected her of being an agent, he might have given her a lethal injection. Rachel had to allow the injection, however, because if she hadn't Vogel would have known she was an agent and her cover would have been blown.

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Dr Vogel gave Rachel an injection in her tushie, not her vagina, so how could it have made her pregnant with his sperm?

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The JEW? You might want to add the other three letters to that word. Otherwise, you sound anti-semitic.

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I think he was already suspicious when he asked her about Buenos Aires and Teatro Colon and everything so she went along with it to avoid raising suspicion.

Some dudes marry dudes, get over it!

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He was a doctor, she was a patient, simple as, don't look too much into it. His Nazi surgeon days were over, later on in the film he always refers to it in past tense and even his shock when she mentioned his patients at Birkenau before injecting him suggests this also. I think we can say he didn't suspect anything, I can't imagine he would question every single patient he sees to tell whether they are an agent or not.

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wel the majoty of sum pateitns is sumtimes agens....so u dnt evr kno 4 sure???

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I thought he sounded very suspicious of her. Perhaps he did that with all his new patients.

And no he did not inject her with sperm. Stephan and Rachel had had sex by that time because Vogel commented on it. Remember? So he knew she was probably pg.

The comment "She'll never know" meant Sarah will never know about their lies about Vogel.

Stephan knew what she was talking about. He certainly did not believe sarah was Vogel's. Rachel would probably have decided not to have it if Vogel made her pg.

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I don't think he was as suspicious of her as he sounded. He was making polite conversation, but we see it through Rachel's eyes because we know she's a Mossad agent and he's a Nazi doctor.

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