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Ending Fight Scene...Are you kidding?

posted 12 years ago by Bri821
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I was sort of enjoying this movie until the end. Like what a stupid fight scene. How old is "Doctor Death" supposed to be at the end. He almost kills her. Give me a break. She is a secret agent, yes she has aged, but she still remembers how to pick locks and i'm sure she retained some basic fighting moves. He just let him run up on her and stab her. Like what a stupid fighting scene at the end, give me a break. He stabs her twice???? How strong is he? He has to be like 95 and shes like 65. So stupid. I hope they make a bourne movie when Matt Damon is really old and he is still kicking peoples asses.

[–] rum2550 12 years ago

have to agree.

[–] movie80 12 years ago

Agree here too.

[–] Ithilfaen 12 years ago

It's sadly only once of many things that don't make any sense in the movie. But yes it's one that leaves an impression.

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[–] Gunslinger1919 12 years ago

I'm guessing you missed the cheap shot when he stabs her?

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[–] whoiamnow 8 years ago

Cheap shot in the arm-yes. But her legs are fine. No way she couldn't use those to kick the bejesus out of him.

[–] screen14 12 years ago

He knew Rachel would come after hearing about the imposter in the hospital and he was prepared to fight with everything he had left. Rachel had sat down on the bed defeated. She was drained, tired of running and had given up. She spotted Vogel and naively went looking for him. He was ready; she wasn't.

[–] Bri821 11 years ago

So you are saying that he was training? He had everything planned?? BullS! He happened to find some scissors laying around and grabbed them. And honestly how did she even see him he was like running up stairs in a sweatsuit. Oh its him its him!!.

He was not PERPARED to fight i disagree.

[–] MrAleisterCrowley 11 years ago

Honestly, I thought it was an homage to the ending of Marathon Man, when Laurence Olivier is playing a version of Mengele (also at an advanced age, and faking some of his "frail" qualities) and shows surprising strength given his advanced age when fighting Dustin Hoffman. It makes the villain even more creepy. Maybe not entirely realistic, but disturbing.

[–] Bri821 11 years ago

good angle

[–] kausix777 11 years ago

Must agree.

The doc was responsible for her mother's death, so he must be like 25-35 years older (just a guess). I didn't agree with her fight scene at their hole earlier, too. Somehow, the doc was shown as way too smart and strong on both occasions.

[–] EJverh 11 years ago

That is perhaps the only thing that irritates the hell out of me out of the entire film, which I absolutely loved. By my calculations, Dr Vogel is supposed to be in his late 70s, and Rachel 57. Honestly unbelievable. The guy can barely walk! And yes, she hadn't been an agent for 30 years but even if she got amnesia and forgot all her moves completely, she could have handled him better than that. Does she even survive at the end?

[–] typhaon 11 years ago

I think you guys vastly underestimate how frail some older people are... and how much energy and strength they can muster, especially in a few short bursts.

All we really saw of the old Dr. was a quick glimpse of him heading up the stairs - then him staggering (faking?) toward her with the scissors concealed. After that, he'd been stabbed in the leg and had some kind of lethal shot in the back - I wouldn't really consider those final movements representative of his physical prowess.

[–] oldmotem 11 years ago

They never showed her getting away. Maybe she didn't make it so she would never have to find out how much she harmed her daughter. Oh wellllllllllll. You win some...and lose a lot.

[–] narya77 10 years ago

Another stupid thing is that they never show him getting stabbed with the needle in his back. In the whole scene there isn't a single moment where this could have happened. She just doesn't stab him, but somehow moments later he ends up with a needle in his back.

[–] jmsfan 10 years ago

EJverh, while we're not exactly sure if she gets free of the hospital and goes on to survive, she definitely makes it down the hall, where her enemy is lying there dead and noboby seems to notice! The fight didn't bother me as much as the fact that nobody even paid attention to an old patient collapsing in the hall. But I accepted it. You do see her feet going by him, with blood dripping in smallish drops from her wounds. I'm just guessing that since she was able to walk out with small bloop drops that her wounds weren't fatal. Plus, she grabbed a towel from the sink to help staunch the flow of blood. Just my take.

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