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This movie PISSED ME OFF...Such IDIOTS the agents are (spoilers)


Wow, another movie showing an intelligent villain, and completely butt-plug stupid good guys. I was utterly FURIOUS after watching this.

Three well-trained agents craft a perfect plan to capture a nazi war criminal after 20 years. They successfully tether him up....and then shave him....then let him dominate them with psychological torture...then they STUPIDLY let him hear information he shouldn't be hearing....until he finds a way to escape from the broken pottery STUPIDLY left behind.

And he brutally beats Rachel who STUPIDLY was feeding him earlier. All that Krav Maga for nothing.

Wow. A BIG CONGRATULATIONS to the directors & producers on making Jews look stupid, weak and inept. Bigger congratulations on making Nazi escapees look intelligent, smart and justified in doing what they did. Not only this, but the movie was poorly edited. It was hard to figure out when it was modern times, and when it was 1965.

Oh wait, there's more stupidity. After IDIOT Rachel catches up to Vogel who escaped 30 years earlier (now in his frail 80s), she ALLOWS him to stab her with surgical scissors...not once, but TWICE!! How could she not see that coming?!?!?

***Here's MY version on how it SHOULD'VE been done****

-Vogel should've been tortured and beaten while being confined.

-David should've told Vogel: "you injected dye into children's eyes." Now I'm going to change your blue Aryan eyes to blood red." Vogel's face goes from arrogant, to bewildered, to terrified. David then takes a scalpel, grabs Vogel's hair and bashes his head against the wall. He knees him in the balls twice to subdue him and stop his squirming. Then, he carefully carves out Vogel's right eye, but doesn't do it deep enough to kill him.

-Stefan joins the fun and stomps on Vogel's knees, then breaks his ankles. "This is how my people felt, you g0dd@mn scumbag. I thought the Aryan people were flawless. Flawless people shouldn't scream like a little coward. What's the matter, are you scared, little Aryan?? You think I'm going to experiment on you?" Just for fun, he continues to torque and twist Vogel's joints until they are dust. As a coup de tat, he kicks him in the balls once more.

-Rachel doesn't physically attack him, but she kneels down to him as he's crying, holds up his chin, says "You better enjoy the pain, because it will only get worse. Get ready to experience the same agony you put my people through. Nobody will help you. This is my Auschwitz. This is my Birkenau. You are our prisoner. And you will experience something truly horrifying." She clears her throat and spits a giant mucus wad in the bloodied right eye, causing more pain.

-The pain and torture continues, but Vogel is still kept alive and fed moldy food. He is monitored to prevent suicide. The trio successfully transports him to Israel for his trial.

-The taping shows him on the stand with a right eye patch, broken, disheveled and miserable. He is in a specialized wheelchair to brace his broken legs. His sentence is read and he is convicted to die on war crimes charges.

-He is then escorted to the gallows, where the original trio are there to witness his hanging. He barely looks at them. Rachel's voice pierces the air: "You are just one in many, Vogel. We will find the rest of you, make you feel the same pain, and send them to the grave to reacquaint with you. Even in your death, we will be there. The avenging angels. We will haunt you in your trip to hell as we watch the devil repeatedly rape you and your goddamn aryan minions, one at a time. Your torture has ended, but your pain has just begun. Sieg Heil and shalom to you." The floor collapses beneath him and his neck is broken.

***By the way, DO NOT GIVE ME that "you're just stooping down to his level" GARBAGE. That's how you deal with swine like him and terrorists today.

So there you have it, my version of The Debt.

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Oh, I forgot to add what happens later, after the trial:

All three agent return to their lives, feeling happy. David and Rachel begin to feel like they went too far, and should've just brought Vogel back to Israel unharmed. Stefan cuts in and says the torture needed to be done. They were only torturing a monster, not some random criminal.

He further explains that you can still be a good person, but allow your dark side to come out only to sick individuals who deserve nasty treatment. Furthermore, the world needs to know that Nazis got more than their true comeuppance. It was a psychological signal to the remaining Nazis still in hiding. It brought great satisfaction to all three knowing that the Nazis did not only fear being captured and tried....but being tortured as well.

It brought great joy for the Nazis to feel the same fear of being chased, captured, beaten, tortured and killed....just like the six million European Jews felt.

After many hours of rationalizing, all 3 agents continued with their lives, raising families, being good people, satisfied with the Vogel treatment. They still retained their good hearts to those who deserved it. But in the case of hunting Nazis and in today's case, Islamic terrorists, they would HAPPILY return to their dark sides and inflict pain and punishment where it was due.

They had their scalpels and medical kits ready when the time called....

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What trial?

\m/

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Gunslinger,

I was speaking hypothetically about the "trial." That is, if they PROPERLY brought Dietrich back to Israel for his trial, instead of colossally SCREWING everything up by feeding and babying him like the idiots they were. My second post was my own imagination at what should've really happened.

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Yes. I agree. The agents were unbelievably incapable in this movie. In real life, Israel had a much better record.

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-Vogel should've been tortured and beaten while being confined.


You do realize most people would never sleep again if they did the things you suggest.

BBL

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