Can anyone name one film where the 'bad politician' is NOT a Republican - Edge of Darkness (2010) Discussion

[–] sherry54 13 years ago

Give them a bit and they will start to blame the Tea Party for all the corruption in movies.

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[–] Katz5 13 years ago

Last I checked, Mel Gibson is not a Democrat.
So take your foolish post elsewhere.

This movie is about corruption in the high ranks of "National Security."
And the Republicans are better at that game than Dems.

You want a movie where a pesky EPA guy is the bad guy? Try Ghostbusters.

Dude means nice guy. Dude means a regular sort of person.

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[–] ldddhunter 13 years ago

oh and dems never do anything that is corrupted? okay...that is your opinion don't act like the dems are angels bc they are far from it..they have a better way of hiding what they do and have ppl in higher power that are democrats to hide anything corrupted they do....just like i don't believe a f'ing word that comes out of obama's mouth. he's a smooth one for sure and arrogant as they come. and yes mel gibson isn't a dem -- i would call him mostly an indepedent thinker like me (but i lean a little more to the right bc of certain issues i don't agree w/dems)bc of mel being a christian and/or catholic i would say he leans more to the right as well..he prob took this job bc he's pretty much "blacklisted" from hollywood; yes he's made plenty of mistakes but there are others who worst than him CHARLIE SHEEN THE LIBERAL anyone???? Sean Penn another freaking loud mouth hypocrit w/anger issues-- just ask his wife Robin. Oh and Alec Baldwin -- another freaking liberal (who still gets roles) leaving that disgusting message on his daughter's answering machine, ask kim bassinger just how much of a "gentlemen" he was -- she said she left him bc he started verbally abusing the daughter in public like he did w/her (esp after she won the Oscar award) Glad she left that SOB -- she left him to protect her daughter and herself-- Sean, Charlie, Alec -- they are all wifebeaters and verbally/mentally their supposed loved ones.

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[–] Bob_Zerunkel 12 years ago

Gibson didn't write this script, nor is he allowed to ad-lib.

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[–] sommert-507-32566 10 years ago

No, the dems are not just better at it, but better at covering it up. Congratulation, you've already been suckered. Go read Animal Farm. Then read it again and see if you can see how the world currently parallels it.

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[–] Felix-La-PuBelle 13 years ago

I can't. Then again, I can't think of republicans one, either. Seems that, in general, the politicians are bad guys regardless of any particular party affiliation.

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[–] StoneGriffin 13 years ago

Well let's look at films where the President is either a Democrat or Republican....

In Clear and Present Danger, the president is a Republican and gets a 'dressing down' by the hero Jack Ryan (play by Harrison Ford). Though Tom Clancy can hardly be considered a left leaning Democrat, the scripts and timing of these films ARE influenced by Hollywood executives.

So look at that portrayal of the President of the USA, a doddering and corrupt fool who gets yelled at by Harrison Ford. In 1997, Harrison Ford plays the President ... as an Action HERO! in "Air Force One". Though the president's political party is not depicted in the film, This film which 'glowingly' portrays the office of the presidency just 'happened' to be greenlit during Bill Clinton's Administration (a Democrat for those who have forgotten).

Then look at films like "The American President" and the light comedy "Dave", both of the heroic titular characters are Liberal Democrats.

A film which praises the President as a hero will NEVER be made when a Republican sits in the White House. Hollywood has made that pretty clear.

But pay attention from now on, and you'll notice it when it happens in the future.... when you're in darkened movie theater, I am sure that you'll take note when the bad guy politician in a film is explicitly named as a Republican. It will NEVER BE a Democrat. I'll wager you that.

On a parting note, in the film 'Shooter' Danny Glover's and Ned Beatty's characters are never identified as being one party or another, but their dialogue, their 'catch phrases', the groan inducing cliches that emanated from their mouths were all the 'evil cliches' that Liberals think of when they think of Conservatives or Republicans. You don't have to call a character a Republican on film to depict them as one. :D Hope this helps.

Dr. Kila Marr was right. Kill the Crystalline Entity.

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[–] Felix-La-PuBelle 13 years ago

"You don't have to call a character a Republican on film to depict them as one."

Well, if that's true, then it seems like Republicans have managed to live up to the stereotypes.

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[–] StoneGriffin 13 years ago

How is that so? Please explain yourself.

You see, that quote (taken as a part, not a whole and out of context, which is very typical for liberals to do ....) spoke of having the characters mouth off things.

If you have a character ranting about "gun rights" or "religion" or "states rights" or "fiscal responsibility" or worse, make him a "hawk on foreign wars" (even though historically ever major war in the 20th century for the U.S. came from a DEMOCRAT administration, not a Republican one, so I'm not sure HOW that urban myth got started. You don't believe me? Wilson (D) WW1, Roosevelt (D) WW2, Truman (D) Korean war, Kennedy(D)/Johnson(D) Vietnam. I don't count actions where ground combat lasts less than one month, like Desert Storm.) or things like fighting terrorism, the political leanings of the character is clear.

So the script writers assume the audience is smart enough to figure this out for themselves. The merits of any of these flashpoint ideas is never really discussed in the story, but they're just thrown out there as if one side of the debate is totally insane, and you can guarantee the Hollywood script writers are not painting the left wing or Democrat side as being so.

If you think REAL life people are living up to the 'stereotypes' as painted by partisan left wingers, then you don't pay attention to real life that much....

Dr. Kila Marr was right. Kill the Crystalline Entity.

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[–] defcon79 13 years ago

Can you name any Republican in recent memory who's not a bad guy?

Didn't think so.

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[–] StoneGriffin 13 years ago

Hilarious ol' defcon79! Good to know you're a partisan Democrat who actually spouts the garbage that you do. No, I'm not talking about the validity (or is the case more often than not, the IN-validity of your viewpoints). It is the oh so common tactic that your type loves to engage in - ad hominem insults. Good to know you're carrying the flag for boorish thugs with no valid arguments :)

Dr. Kila Marr was right. Kill the Crystalline Entity.

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[–] defcon79 13 years ago

I think you'll find its you who are guilty of an ad hominem, since i said nothing about you. And I like how you completely ignored my question.

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[–] StoneGriffin 13 years ago

Your question was ridiculous. It's like asking "When was the last time you beat your wife?" The fact that you actually think ignoring your obviously flame baiting question was invalid shows the depth of your own dishonesty.

Also a common tactic of the left - attack and then accuse the other side of what you yourself are doing. Again, it is the only technique used by folks whose actual argument have no merit.

Dr. Kila Marr was right. Kill the Crystalline Entity.

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[–] SoulsDescend 13 years ago

It's easy to see why, Democratic policies are more often associated with helping people. Social programs like Social Security, Medicare, and welfare etc. are all a result of policies favoring bigger government. Look at National Health Care reform, education assistance, gay rights, the environment, and their ties to the poor and the working class through labor unions, and fighting to raise minimum wage.

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[–] StoneGriffin 13 years ago

And the Democrats and their allies have continued to push this 'perception' even though it is completely unfair in light of all the facts. When I point out that the Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA), the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), Americans with Disabilities Act, etc were creations of Republican Administrations, they don't believe me. When I point out that the Civil Rights Act of 1964 got Lyndon Johnson a lot of publicity, but it was a Republican President, Richard Nixon, who actually put teeth into it and went vigorously after violators of American's Civil Rights, they scoff and say "no way". How can you argue with that type of closed mindedness? Additionally, Gays were given protection of their civil rights like all other Americans with no specific 'pro-gay' agenda. People who beat or lynched Gays were prosecuted for Civil Rights violations (not Gay rights since they did not enjoy a special protected status over other Non-Gays, which is as it should be).

A lot of this 'perception' is pushed by Hollywood, TV Industry and Education (most academics and teachers are Left leaning). In their minds, only Democrats are the party of 'the people'.

Interestingly enough, most people in the 20th century considered Republicans the 'War Party' even though every major way in the 20th century was entered under a Democratic administration (WW1, WW2, Korea, Vietnam) How did we get slimed with THAT stereotype? Now I'm talking decades of propaganda here. Surely people who have only known Iraq and Afghanistan know that GWB was a Republican, but these perceptions were rampant before the year 2000.

the facts reveal that all parties have been hawkish, all parties have had bad apples, but the 'propaganda' being pushed by Left leaning Hollywood, Television and the schools (by the teacher's unions and left leaning college instructors), is just that .... propaganda. It is an intellectually dishonest exercise in selective memory and distortion.

Thanks for the post. I knew about the 'association' with such positions, the problems is that there is the 'idea' of helping other and the practice of it. T

I'm convinced the term "The road to Hell is paved with good intentions" was coined with Democratic politicians in mind.

Dr. Kila Marr was right. Kill the Crystalline Entity.

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[–] shark-43 12 years ago

You're the one who brought politics intoa film forum discussion and then you get snotty when people either disagreed with you or brought up examples. I read plenty of vicious swipes at "liberal" actors like Baldwin, etc. but as someone correctly pointed out - Gibson is a conservative Republican and there are plenty of movies where they dont even mention what the political party of the evil politician is but the recent IDES OF MARCH features George Clooney as a dirty, amoral man who is a Democrat.

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[–] StoneGriffin 12 years ago

Snotty? No, they were weak examples. Where are your vicious swipes at Alex Baldwin FROM HOLLYWOOD, not from the readers of IMDB but from Hollywood. Ooops, I think you misunderstood the statement now, didn't you? You give me an example where HOLLYWOOD takes a vicious swipe at Alex Baldwin, (and not Team America either, those guys are Republicans ;) )

As for Ides of March, Sounds good. Thanks for the heads up. I will have to check it out now. But that single film doesn't balance the ledger against dozens if not hundreds of examples of bias on the other side.

Dr. Kila Marr was right. Kill the Crystalline Entity.

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[–] Bob_Zerunkel 12 years ago

Well, I respect that Republican who showed his weiner to his son's girlfriend. Or was that a Kennedy?

Well, then, I respect that Republican who went to an all-night whore party after drowning his date. Or was that another Kennedy?

Well, then, I respect the Republican who got a bj in the White House. Or was that yet another Kennedy and a Clinton?

Well, then, I respect the Republican who stored his bribe money in the freezer. Or was that a (no, not a Kennedy) Democrat.

Well, then, I respect the Republican who forgot to declare his mansion in Jamaica. Or was that a Democrat.

Well, then, I respect the Republican who claimed he was born in Kenya up until the time he decided to run for president. Or was that Mr. Obama?

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[–] the_urban_prince 12 years ago

just thought i would mention that the democrats are not the same dems of the 60's neither are the republicans. either way it's a moot point to bring up what repubs did decades ago before the Dixiecrats became what is the republican party now.

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[–] scion9 13 years ago

Can't name one film in the past 50 years. Although The Wire obviously featured crooked MD State Dems.

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[–] StoneGriffin 13 years ago

What's really funny is that in films where the good guys obviously ARE Republicans (like the true story "The Blind Side" where the white family that takes in the black teenager, was a Republican family), their political status is NEVER explicitly mentioned. Sure, hints are given, Sandra Bullock states that she goes to bible study and is a member of the NRA, but I was shocked that the HOllywood system could not bring itself to mention anywhere in dialogue that the good protagonists were Republicans, even though the people they were based on in real life were. :)

Dr. Kila Marr was right. Kill the Crystalline Entity.

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[–] burgershmurger 12 years ago

Let's not forget that the Republican Party was founded in order to abolish slavery. Guess who started the KKK? Democrats! Guess who fought the Civil Rights Movement? Democrats! It was the Republicans who voted overwhelmingly in favor of the Civil Rights. Not a single Southern Democrat voted for it incl Al Gore's father! If you wanna see corruption and lies go to the Democrats.

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[–] DYouKnowWhatIMean 12 years ago

I think we need to get one thing straight here. Republicans are just as bad as Dems and dems are just as bad republicans. It is all about money. If you have money your likely to be corrupt. People who have money usually have one goal and that is too make more. If it takes cutting corners, doing sneaky, illegal *beep* then by all means they will do it for the paycheck. That is the excellent reason as to why politicians should not be paid the outrageous paychecks they get. They should make no more than the average American.

Jack Shephard "You disrespect his memory by wearing his face but you're nothing like him."

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[–] DYouKnowWhatIMean 12 years ago

Well to be fair most bad guy republicans are always rich. Someone with money is very easily corrupted. Not saying that Democrats have no rich politicians. I am just saying most republicans that are politicians have lots of money. I would argue that they have more money than most democratic politicians.

Jack Shephard "You disrespect his memory by wearing his face but you're nothing like him."

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[–] StoneGriffin 12 years ago

You would argue that most Republican politicians are richer than Democrats??? Where did you get that perception? Unfortunately that is NOT TRUE. Rich Democrats outnumber Rich Republicans in Congress. That is a very interesting outcome (and not unexpected) from the constant and false propaganda from the media.

Here is a listing of the top ten richest members of Congress:

Rep. Michael McCaul (R-Texas) $294.21 Million
Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Calif.) $220.40 Million
Sen. John Kerry (D-Mass.) $193.07 Million
Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D-W.Va.) $81.63 Million
Sen. Mark Warner (D-Va.) $76.30 Million
Rep. Jared Polis (D-Colo.) $65.91 Million
Sen. Frank Lautenberg (D-N.J.) $55.07 Million
Sen. Richard Blumenthal (D-Conn.) $52.93* Million
Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) $45.39 Million
Rep. Vern Buchanan (R-Fla.) $44.21 Million

Notice something? Only THREE (3) are Republicans, SEVEN (7) are Democrats. The perception is skewed because Republicans tend to be business owners, but Democrats tend to be LAWYERS. Lawyers are some of the richest people in the country and unfortunately, because they are lawyers they won't support tort reform. Also one other thing that illustrates the cultural divide. People who tend to support Republicans don't usually LIKE lawyers. People who tend to support Democrats see Lawyers as necessary to redress for wrongs/grievances and tend not to pay attention as much to the abuse (suing someone for $300 million for spilling coffee on you? etc.) But the Republican leaning people see Lawyers as people who drain money from the economy and produce no wealth (which is true). Now there ARE jobs which are necessary which produce no wealth and just drain the economy but they are essential (i.e. police, fire, teachers, sanitation, etc.) but the lawyers are (a) private sector and (b) get rich doing it. :) I'd love to have a salary cap on lawyers, as well as a lower salary cap on politicians.

Dr. Kila Marr was right. Kill the Crystalline Entity.

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[–] cobysdad 12 years ago

It's only in real life that the bad guys are all Democrats

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[–] StoneGriffin 12 years ago

Touché! Gotta remember that one :D

Dr. Kila Marr was right. Kill the Crystalline Entity.

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[–] koris-guy 11 years ago

Democrat politicians screw their interns. Republican politicians screw the country.

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[–] jim008 11 years ago

It's really sad when people are so focused on political affiliation in a movie like it matters. So what if Hollywood uses stereotypes? Why aren't you also complaining about how this movie depicts liberals as hippie pansies like Robinson?

The reason why people can't name this off the top of their heads is because nobody actually cares except the OP who's probably having a nightmare about whether or not the mailman is a Democrat.

After like 2 seconds of google, the movie Dave has a Democrat President who's just a horrible president and cheats on his wife.

Honestly, please stop making these types of posts on IMDB, you've just lowered the IQ of all the readers here.

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[–] blackswan-545-352343 8 years ago

some of my best friends, know people, that know republicans

marc
😁

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