are the humans aliens or is it a time travel story
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shareThat's what I want to know. Wish I had disposable income to see it but it's my own fault.
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Adam Driver is an alien visitor to earth 65 million years ago. This is all in the prologue, almost wish they revealed it in a more subtle way or not at all.
shareAnother alien that is 100% human and speaks American English???
shareYes to human, not really to America English. When looking at a log, the writing isn't English. It's almost hieroglyphic. So I assume it's just English for the Audience.
shareI'm not sure if you're trolling here. Do you seriously expect the producers to develop a new language just for authenticity's sake in a low budget movie like this? The movie would do even worse if it's an alien language with English subtitles.
They could've made them look humanoid with make up or special effects, but again, what's the point? It would be distracting and this flick was basically a man and a child stuck in Jurassic park with limited weapons (and an even limited budget).
Battlestar Galactica, Stargate and many other shows and movies have all done this. There are so many absurd things about the plot, but the appearance and accent of the characters aren't two of them. BTW, there are many who believe that there are Nordic aliens in the Pleiades and other star systems, as well as human looking and humanoid aliens scattered all over the galaxy, so I wouldn't be too surprised if we did find alien humans on other solar systems one day. Maybe our "model" is a common, ubiquitous one just like vegetation.
Oh yeah ,I love how vegetation on mars is almost identical to ours …
shareSo if something is "common", it means it's present everywhere?
A Toyota Corolla is a common car. Does that mean everyone owns one?
I can see why you got confused that the human looking alien in this movie speaks with an American accent lol
Don’t be dumb. It’s a common CAR. And yes, all cars are more or less the same (engine, wheels, bla bla).
And for your information there is no vegetation on mars, nada. Again, don’t be dumb,
Another thing: check your sarcasm detector, it’s either broken or is missing batteries, either way is not working.
That’s what I was hoping. Or some sort of twist on that. Nothing.
shareAs Ace2 says, the characters we see are not human. They did not evolve on Earth. They are from a planet called, if I recall correctly, Solamis, or something similar. This species evolved and developed spaceflight 65 million years ago.
The likelihood that a species evolving on another world looking just like humans is very low. (Star Trek/Star Wars not withstanding). While I have heard the theory that an upright biped is a very likely candidate to develop sapience which would lead to a technological (anything from flint head spears to interstellor flight), that should lead to only a general similarity in form.
Personally, I think a large number of basic shapes will work, depending on local conditions and evolution.
However, I am willing, for narrative reasons, to accept the human look to Mills and Koa. Extensive makeup can inhibit development of empathy for the characters; so this choice is understandable.
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were any dinos killed with guns?
shareBeside Star Wars being a fairy tale, it is beta canon that humankind evolved on one planet and spread all over the galaxy, kind of like it happened in Foundation. In Star Trek it was explained by ancient aliens who spread their genes around space. Even Halo and Stargate have explainations for that.
shareAnd Battlestar Galactica.
shareI am willing to accept that he is not speaking English ( having an American accent is even less probable ) and this was just a plot device.
Before I saw the movie I thought he accidentally went through a worm hole and came out in the past. That would explain a lot except it might have prevented a way back.
>>>he accidentally went through a worm hole and came out in the past.<<<
No, that is incorrect. His species and civilization was at its height 65 million years ago.
At the beginning of the movie they explicitly tell you that this is in the past. That there were civilizations exploring space long before earth humans evolved.
Also note that his calls for help were answered. That rescue was coming. When they finally escaped he had received specific coordinates to meet rescue.
So, this entire film, (other than the montage at the end) takes place at the time that the dinosaur-killing asteroid impacts earth.
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I know its incorrect, that's what I thought from the trailers "before I saw the movie". It would have solved some of the issues though.
shareWhich issues? Other than the unlikelihood that these people would look like Terran humans.
Although I do have a problem with an exploratory mission carrying a nine-year-old child.
I'm not trying to be difficult or obtuse. There are certainly things that can be questioned in the film. I have several myself. I just don't see any that would be solved by using a worm hole.
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Yes that's the big one: character is not human yet looks completely identical to a human, speaks English and even has many cultural and social attributes consistent with a 21st century American. (Haircut, clothes, sense of humor)
Another issue: movies always underestimate the vastness of space. We know today that there is no planet anywhere near us that can support life similar to ours. The closest goldilocks planet (conditions similar to ours) is over 400 light years away. Meaning even if you could travel at the speed of light it would probably take 10 generations of humans for a one-way trip t to earth (unless their lifespans are different, or the cryosleep slows aging). He would have never seen his family again.
Wormhole solves both these issues - I believe this was the original Planet of the Apes approach. To be clear: I really enjoyed this movie because I quickly got caught up in the characters and their relationship - I thought it was really well done. A Jurassic Park for example has nowhere near this level of character development. So I was able to let go of these nitpicks pretty easily.
Huzzah!!! You are the umpteenth person to learn a Little about a LARGE subject, and proceed to confidently make ridiculous assertions!
"We know today that there is no planet anywhere near us that can support life similar to ours."
Wrong. There's a difference between not knowing of a planet "near us," and the only one we've found being (relatively) far away.
"The closest goldilocks planet (conditions similar to ours) is over 400 light years away." Again: Wrong. It's simply the closest We've FOUND (so far).
"Meaning even if you could travel at the speed of light. . ." Stop right there. ONE: you can't travel *at* the speed of light, for reasons relating to the concept of infinite mass. TWO: clearly, the level of tech in this movie is such that it *is* possible to travel such distances in workable time frames. It's beyond silly to complain about given science frameworks in sci-fi.
"So I was able to let go of these nitpicks pretty easily." I'll make it even easier for you: Don't worry about them. They're inaccurate.
... and yet with all that tech they could not AFFORDABLY cure cancer (or whatever it was). What hope do we have for solving healthcare??
shareHilarious. A retro-stupid concept that was unreasonable even back in the day of Rod Serling... Of course, and not for narrative reasons but simply because I like dinosaurs, I will inevitably watch this one. And, who knows, I might actually be pleasantly surprised.
shareWhat, exactly, do you find unreasonable about the concept?
Advanced civilizations existed 65 million years ago? Why. Is the current period of time magic? Advanced civilizations can only exist now? Stars and planets have different ages. And 65 million years is a fraction of a stars lifetime. Intelligence can arise any reasonable time after life develops.
Interstellar flight? That is a common trope of SF, and not necessarily unachievable. But regardless of it being difficult to achieve, a large fraction of SF uses the trope.
The shipwreck aspect? Ace2 is correct that the likelihood of a ship becoming incapable of further flight close enough to a life-bearing planet that the ship could land on it is tiny. But that problem exists, to a lesser degree, in any "shipwreck" story going back as far as you like; but including things such as Robinson Crusoe, Swiss Family Robinson, or Castaway. SF has used the trope for decades.
The characters appearing human? Yes, that is a problem, and almost guaranteed to be so close impossible as to be indistinguishable. But it is a story decision intended to prevent distraction and help the audience identify with the protagonists. I would prefer it otherwise but I can understand it for narrative reasons.
Or some other reason? You seem to recognize that the overall concept has been around for a long time. Please explain why you think why the basic concept is stupid?
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