Carrier Landings


Those carrier landings on to the "pitching deck" was absolutely insane. To be able to that after being put though forces the human body was never meant to endue, life and death decisions being made at the speed of sound, your physically spent and emotionally drained your still required to land your +$50,000,000 plane on to moving boat with 1/3 the distance needed to stop. For an additional challenge {like the pilots don't have enough to deal with} the deck there suppose to land on is heaving up and down. These are some vary special people indeed!

That seen where they show the pilot who just landed {literally} still shaking said it all.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZQ9pS1b4R4

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Crazy indeed!
I don't know why the same auto feature available in commercial aviation isn't used (or maybe it is?).
I have been up front in many B777s landing into category IIIb approaches when the pilots just allow the pc to land in really bad weather.
There must be some form of automation going on, the pitching of the deck while crazy is at least predictable in short algorithms.

I thought by now we would have done away with human pilots at least in the carrier military.

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There is an auto landing feature for carriers, but no pilot in their right mind is going to allow some computer to land his plane for him.
About the only time it gets used is if the pilot is in some way incapacitated.

It's called the SPN-42 ACLS radar.

The AN/SPN-42 is a computerized automatic carrier landing system (ACLS) radar that provides precise control of aircraft during their final approach and landing. The equipment can automatically acquire, control, and land a suitably equipped aircraft on aircraft carriers under severe ship motion or weather conditions. A new ACLS system coming to the fleet is the AN/SPN-46 Precision Approach and Landing System, which incorporates the latest technology, improving reliability and operability.

if you look at the photo on my post to the OP, the grey enclosure behind the sailor on the sponson below the flight deck ramp, is the SPN-42



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If the technology is available and it is not being used, what is the reason? I'll read the article and find out.

"but no pilot in their right mind is going to allow some computer to land his plane for him"

But so many pilots do, in fact at my airline it is policy to auto-land in near minimums situations. Automation takes over at 400 feet above ground level departing Heathrow as a matter of policy in other cases.

Commercial aviation is just as demanding as military flying, in most cases more demanding, especially in congested complex airspace + bad weather + a heavy dose of, and at times enforced - get-there-itis.

I'm an advocate for removing workload, eventually removing the human from military, space and commercial flying.

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>Commercial aviation is just as demanding as military flying, <

If it's standard to land during a level 6.5 earthquake...

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>Commercial aviation is just as demanding as military flying, <

If it's standard to land during a level 6.5 earthquake...


I'm not so sure a Navy pilot would know what to do with a WHOLE runway.

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True Story:

In 1994 I deployed aboard USS Kitty Hawk CV-63, The sh*tty Kitty we called her affectionately.

I had spent most my life aboard Cruisers and this was my first deployment aboard a carrier. Still, with my fascination with aviation and especially naval aviation, what I was doing should have had Bill Engvall there handing me a "sign".

I was an EW, an Electronic Warfare Systems operator. One of our areas of responsibility was the SRBOC Chaff launchers for radar decoying of Anti-ship cruise missiles. The Starboard Aft(right rear) sponson (balcony) that housed two of our eight launchers was on the 03 level right below the flight deck.
http://tinyurl.com/59pzda
in this photo you can see a guy standing on the sponson just below the flight deck. behind him is the carrier landing approach radar enclosure, just to the right are the two launchers covered with grey tarps and then two white service ammo lockers for the chaff rounds.

Because the landing deck is at an angle, this put the Chaff sponson right under the ramp, right beside the drop-down alignment lights. If I put my foot on the lower rail of the guardrails, I could stand up and touch the round-down right center line with the landing deck. You could underhand toss a small object into the air and hit a plane as it was landing, that's how close they are passing overhead.

July 11, 1994 I was back here late of an evening and watching landing ops from this deck. Planes usually land about every two minutes this evening, the longer interval due to us being in some fairly heavy seas and the deck was pitching pretty good for a carrier. Most of the planes had landed and only a few stragglers were left to recover. I had an 0345 watch to get up for and it was now 2330 and I had yet to hit my rack.

As I turn to leave the deck I note that there is one plane still on approach.

I stepped around the corner and opened the watertight door that leads back inside the ship. Inside this door is a small space painted flat black with a spring loaded rocker switch that turns off the lights when the door is opened. This is called a light-locker and prevents light from escaping out of the ship after dark. I dogged the watertight door down and had just opened the non-watertight inner door and stepped into the passageway beyond, right across from the Hormel Hawgs (VAW-114) ready room.

WHAM!!!!!!!!
Knocked off my feet...
lights flicker...
Alarms going off...
1MC system squawks to life... "Crash on deck, Crash on deck!"
"General Quarters, General Quarters... all hands man your battle stations..." GONG GONG GONG

Now as to what I learned later in the following days and saw on the PLAT Camera and flight deck camera footage that was shown.

Pilot Lt. Arnold and RIO Lt. Cdr Jennings were one of the last F-14A fighters from VF-51 "Screaming Eagles" to land. The LSO (Landing Signal Officer) saw him go a little low and told him to add a little power. The Pilot did so but then noted that the Meatball was rising too much so he backed off the power even though the LSO was telling him he was now on glide slope. The ship was bucking some heavy seas and we had just dropped into a trough between swells. this made the pilot think he was shooting high on the approach and so he backed off the power. Just before he crossed the ramp the ship caught the next swell and rose back up. Now he was WAAYY too low and the LSO tells him...
"power.. POWER... P O W E R !!!!"

too late..

the plane strikes the ramp, fire-balling and sliding on down the deck. At this point the RIO, Lt Cdr Jennings, managed to command eject both of them. Jennings sprained his ankle when his Chute brought him down on top of a parked S-3 Viking. Being second in the ejection sequence, Lt. Arnold was not so lucky, his chute bringing him down right into the flames and wreckage still burning on the flight deck.
http://navysite.de/cvn/f14crash.mpg

The sponson I was standing on maybe 10-15 seconds earlier.... wiped out.

Watching landing ops from where I was, knowing that a "rampstrike" is one of a carrier landing's greatest dangers... admittedly earns me a great big Bill Engvall's "Here's your sign" award.

I'd rather earn that, than a Darwin Award...






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That's messed up CGS glad your still here to post up. For those of you that enjoyed "Carrier" here's a few more you may wanna check into.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0314972/

www.speedandangels.com

http://www.discoverychannel.ca/jetstream/

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I have "Speed and Angels"
I was on the preorder waiting list over a year before it came out.

I learned about it from a MilBlogger who is an Active Duty Captain in the USN. He is also an (not current) F/A-18 Hornet pilot.

http://www.neptunuslex.com/

He blogs on just about everything but mostly on the Navy, Flying, Military, Politics (Decidedly conservative and Anti-Liberal)

He has a hilarious way of writing that really grabs you and puts you right in the mind of being there.

check out just about any posting under the heading of "Tales of the Sea service" for some great stories.

also check out "Rhythms" a 53+ part story that takes you through a 24 hours day in the life of a carrier.



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Again, There are people that land on this for a living!?

http://www.thatvideosite.com/video/8185

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Yes there are.
Good men and women all.

BTW... On the linked photo on my post above you.. see that little platform sticking out from the side of the ship?
Just below the flight deck and next to the angle deck (side of the ship sticking up in the air)

That's the AN/SLQ-32 (Slick 32) Electronic countermeasures Antennae enclosure
Thats what I worked on aboard Kitty Hawk.

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On my post above I have a video of the crash, but it is only a very short clip.
A fellow shipmate of mine managed to post to youtube a much longer version showing the full crash and aftermath.

the first few seconds though is a slo-mo of the crash, but after that it goes bact to show the full incident from the Tomcat landing just before it to the full aftermath of the firefighting effort.
You also hear the LSO talking to the Pilot.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1LcKhKdo8U

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LOL, no. I don't know him personally. Just shipmates at the same time.
Hell... On a carrier you are lucky to know even a handful of guys outside your own division. I came from a Cruiser with 378 Crew. And went to a Carrier with nearly 6000 crew. And jizzmopper would have been an Airwing guy, not ships Company.



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Most of my time as you know was aboard a Cruiser. I was only aboard the Kitty Hawk for a few months. I transferred to her the day before she left on Westpac and My EAOS was coming up. I left midcruise to go back stateside to process out.

But during that time aboard I too was much like the OS you described above. Other than a handful of sponsons, many of them secured with limited access (as mine was), or up in the Island structure and on 'Vultures row", the Flight Deck is really the only "Weather deck" there is.
Most of us "twidget" types rarely got out and about in the sunlight.
I mostly went from a 100 man OPS berthing, to the CDC two decks up where the EW module was a small compartment inside of the CDC Compartment. Or I was down several decks and half the length of the ship back to the Mess decks.

As a Twidget type, EW's were a tad luckier than most as we had to do regular PMS on our Chaff launchers (4 different sponsons) and our two antennas, one just below and outboard of the angle deck, Portside. well forward of the fresnel "Meatball", and the other about halfway up the Island hanging out to Starboard. So as EW's we had almost private access to several open weatherdecks.




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