Skinner did it!


At first I thought it was Trumball but then I thought about it and she seems far more likely. Though Trumball would be my second choice, it wouldn't make any sense if it were he who killed Tony and sabotaged the computer systems. If he had suspicions about Henry/Edward (I'll just refer to them as "H/E" henceforth.) or knew that they were broken (will also refer to them in the plural) he would have either looked into it and done more tests or he would have just had H/E terminated legitly. There's no reason for him to go and kill one of his own agents/employees, even if he did feel a bit betrayed by the fact Tony and the rest of them were keeping H/E's malfunction a secret, as well as sabotage his own agency's computer system, and if he did do all of this he would have just gotten into trouble later. Trumball showed no signs of corruption (or psychosis for that matter) so it's illogical that he did it, even if he did let on that he might know or be suspicious about H/E's situation.

I think it was Skinner who did it because she would have less to lose by sabotaging the computer system and killing Tony, even if that was pretty cold. I think her motive for the whole thing was she didn't want to risk H/E, or rather, Edward, dying in between the newly found "switch". Furthermore, it's possible that she also wanted to keep Edward "on" full-time and just do away with Henry. I know it seems out of her nature as so far she has come off as one of the "better" characters in terms of kindness, etc. but who else could it be? To me that's the only logical suspect since we know it can't be anyone outside of the agency according to the story background and there are no other agency characters that we've been introduced to.

The ONLY other possibilities besides those two are Mavis -- but she had no apparent motive for the killing as she seemed to want to fix H/E -- or a character we would have been introduced to in the next season. But alas, we'll never get to see since NBC canceled yet another decent show. Maybe the writers will reveal what was supposed to happen (if they have already written the next episode).

Also what sucks not getting to find out is the whole Gradys situation. Now Tom/Raymond not only has to explain what he was doing in a strip club on a "business trip" but why he killed two shady strangers in a park.


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Skinner is my best bet on who did it as well. I thought about Trumball at first but I realized he would have no reason to delete the program. If he knew he would have had Tony fix Edward and then had Mavis and Tony killed or at least make Tony suffer for his part in the cover up.

I did wonder about a new character myself. Which would have been a nice touch if the show continued.

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I agree with you that in for a normal person those are the most logical answers but there is normal logic, and "tv" logic where the writers try to come up with the most random actual answer possible to keep people guessing. Therefore it would most likely have been one of the least likely people based on reasons we don't know yet that probably deal with H/E's past.

There are alot of different reasons different people could have done it.

Skinner would seem to be the most likely candidate on the surface just because of the thing between her and Edward and she's already shown she's willing to protect that by killing the agent that was testing Henry's loyalty. Maybe she was afraid the procedure could kill him or maybe she liked Edward being around more often when he wasn't just on missions or what.

Maybe she knew something about H/E overall that the viewers don't yet.

Trumball could also be a candidate because maybe he knew for certain that they were malfunctioning beforehand and maybe he actually is just acting like a hard ass. Once again maybe he's somehow involved with H/E in a way we don't know or knows something more about his past that hadn't been revealed.

The Asian agent could be a twist because she seemed to be a one time thing but maybe her programming malfunctioned as well after they supposedly cleared her and she knows what happened and wants revenge and to make happen to H/E what happened to her now since it's partially their fault. This one would be a long shot.

Mavis could have been putting on a show when she said that to Henry last night. She seems to care about Henry and Edward so who knows what her motivation might be. Maybe she has some ulterior motive from her past or something she knows about H/E that made her do that. In theory a long shot but that's the type of things shows go for.

Now my darkhorse would be somebody that most other people would dismiss immediately, Raymond. He would give the most shock value since he seems to hate Henry and has wanted things to go back to how they were before the whole time. It seems like raymond would be the least likely but who's to say, for one possibility, that being as trained as he was he realized that his wife saw him kill those guys last night. Maybe knowing that he knows he'd need H\E's help as opposed to just Edward to cover it up and smooth things over with his wife. if the switch was made then Henry couldn't help him out when he was Tom because Tom won't remember what Raymond did. If his wife becomes too suspicious then something most likely will happen(either her contacting the police, confronting Tom, etc.) and if Janus found out about that their standard protocol was to erase the agent(Raymond, basically equalling death for him) and return to just being Tom all the time or just both of them being killed.

Either way Raymond dies which you know he doesn't want to because he enjoys his work and he doesn't want to die. This one would be farfetched but I could easily see it being the way they were going to go with it.

The last possibility is someone that is someone that hasn't been introduced yet or maybe even that elevator lady is a double agent, lol jk. It could be somebody that hasn't been shown yet but they ended this show is going to leave a lot of people frustrated.




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i can't see the doctor having been the one...

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I never got the impression Tom/Raymond (T/R) hated H/E. They seemed to get along well in fact. It was Edward who told Henry he's tired of rolling the dice in missions because he might have to rely on Henry to get through it.


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so maybe it was H/E that killed T/R... NOT skinner, can't see her doing it...

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T/R (Tom/Raymond) wasn't killed the tech guy was.

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Raymond hated Henry

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Personally, I think Angie did it.

She is obviously a deep cover foreign spy (soviet, perhaps?), probably from the same kind of experiment like Janus. Her alter-ego knows that Henry is broken and wants to keep him that way, to be able to get information out of him.

But yeah... guess we will never know

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I don't think it was Skinner. "She is afraid he will die" is a lame reason for someone in their line of work, especially when they alreasdy nearly elecuted him twice.

My money is still on Trumbill.

Don't forget...it was implied in the pilot that someone had caused the malfunction in the first place. Whoever did that is who killed Tony and crashed the computers.

I also think he arranged Edward's parents' murder. KGB my foot!



Or hey, on another track, just for the unexpected factor, how about the secretary lady who puts them on the elevator?

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There are six characters who know that Henry/Edward are defective: Edward, Henry, Mavis, Raymond, Tony and Skinner. It is clearly not Tony or Henry. I can't see Mavis' motive and Raymond thinks that Henry is a liability in the field. This leaves Edward and Skinner. And, frankly, I am not sure either of them has a motive, except fearing that it will kill Edward.

Or, it could be incidental. They just wiped the entire system, destroying the way to fix him in the process.




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From what I remember Tony and Mavis were looking at Henry's brain scan and saying that there was somnething strange about it. My guess is that a third personality emerged. A personality more dangerous than Edward who killed Tony not wanting to be destroyed.

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Could be a mole. Could be another faction, Janus' opposite number. A faction that would have been a nemessis for another season.

I just finished watching the DVDs tonight...Man, was I annoyed. There could have been some commentary by someone stating the different scenarios they were thinking of.

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It would have to have been one of the characters we know, or a new character. Assuming it was one we know, the list is as follows:

Skinner
Trumball
Mavis
Tony (suicide)
Asian chick
One of the wives
Raymond
Tom
Edward
Henry

We can eliminate the wives I think, due to lack of access.

We can eliminate Tony committing suicide, as there was no setup or that whatsoever.

I'd say we can eliminate Skinner. She could have called out that Edward was broken at any time, so the only way she did it would be if she wanted to maintain the current status quo, or as was suggested, thought whatever new method had come up was too risky. The reaction is too extreme though, especially when she wanted Edward, whose life was in danger more by Henry swithing during a mission than anything else.

I'd say it wasn't Trumball or Mavis, for all the reasons already stated. Either would have no reason to want the status quo to continue, and if they did, had far more easy means of accomplishing it.

A nice twist might be if the Asian chick's new programming got borked, a la Dollhouse, and she got pissed at having her original personality wiped, and decided to take revenge. I think this is unlikely purely for TV reasons, but it's a possibility.

Raymond could have wanted to move up to being the #1 agent, but it seemed like he had plenty of missions as it was, and would care more about the dangers of Edwards unreliability than anything else, so I'd say he's not really a good suspect.

Tom is only really a possibility if they planned on having Raymond/Tom to be having the same difficulty as as Edward/Henry, and Tom happened to flip and know about the fix, but wanted to just be Tom. Seems a bit unlikely though.

Edward is also a possibility, if, and this is a big if, they wanted to add to the plot that Henry was reaching a point in his life where he was actually starting to enjoy Henry's family time. Perhaps he was starting to wonder how his life would have gone if he had not joined Janus. He figures he finally killed his parent's killer, so maybe he doesn't have as much reason to want things to go back to how they were. And maybe he was sort of enjoying "training" his new protege, Henry.

The problem with most of the potential suspects above, is that they can all either be eliminated outright, or they require new plot elements that weren't in at the time the show got canceled, which leaves only one suspect.

Henry had access. And although I thought his reasoning was logically a little shaky, he actually stated that he wanted to maintain the status quo, which gives him motive. The only other problem is that it would seem unlikely that he would kill someone in cold blood, but that actually works in it's favor in TV-land. And they set it up to look like they discover the body right after the conversation where Mavis tells Henry he has no choice. But Henry would have been crystal clear on how that conversation would end before it occurred, so he could have anticipated it, and done the deed beforehand.

All that being said, if it was Henry, then that character would lose his "likability" and his everyman vibe, which would cause the show to jump the shark, unless the writers had some other tricks up their sleeves.

So I think if they had more time, the smart play would have been to set it up to look like Henry did it, at least for a few shows. Start adding little bits that point to Henry, and then yank the rug out and have it be one of the other possibilities above, hopefully using that time to also set it up.

Anyway, my guess is Edward. Or Bugs Bunny. Bugs just never struck me as right in the head.

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I can't believe it took almost 2 pages before someone mentioned Edward as a possible suspect.
Logically, H/E would have the most to lose or gain from the procedure. Everyone else would have gained from the transformation. Skinner, Mavis and Raymond would have their Edward back. If Trumball had wised up to their deception, he would also gain from having Edward back. It makes no sense that Trumball would kill Tony over H/E or even Mavis for their screw up and even the deception.

I think when Edward realised that Tony could isolate Edward over Henry in H/E, he also realised that the reverse is possible, that is the procedure could also isolate Henry over Edward. Thus it would be possible to terminate him....and just like Paula (asian chick) he could be eliminated and only Henry would emerge.

I still think it's Edward over Henry that killed Tony. But there is a small chance that it was actually Henry instead. The whole episode was about Henry getting over his morality of killing someone. He wasn't able to do it when his own life was on the line....but got close to it when the lives of many children were on the line. Maybe he was able to kill Tony if the lives of his family was on the line....but that's just my speculation based on the where the plot line was heading.

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