Just like Mulan


but Mulan was better

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Then it can't be just like it if it's got differences in quality.

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Not just like it but likely inspired.

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Um, no. Mulan was saving her family and an entire country, and here a spoiled brat turns her mother into a bear and we're supposed to root for her. The worst princess ever.

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I don't think the movie tries to make you want to root for her at all. She screwed up big time and for a portion of the movie I do not think we were at all encouraged to give her accolades.

Then again, once she screwed up and paid the price in misery and despair, I think it is O.K. to root for her again as she risks life and limb, defying her father and magic, to try to make things right again.

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Let's see, Aurora never does anything at all, just lets herself be fought over. Neither does Cinderella, she just lets her fairy godmother and pet mice push her towards her prince, and Snow White is just as passive and lets a grown man carry her off at the end even though she looks about twelve And Ariel is a total fool, trading her voice away and running away from home after some man...

But yeah, Merida is the worst.

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Well, it is kind of hard to do much if you're put under a spell to fall asleep.
That is not Aurora's fault.
Cinderella is living in an abusive home, so I don't blame her for needing some help.
Snow White... okay, she can be pretty lame and ridiculous from a modern perspective.
But she can at least work for a living and help the dwarves just as much as they help her.
Ariel had longed for life on land before she laid eyes on Eric, so it never was all about him.
So yeah, none of them is that bad...

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I personally liked both movies but I have to disagree. Brave was better and is one of my Top 20 favourite Disney/Pixar movies of all time.😃

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Last time I checked, Mulan didn't poison her mother or show zero consideration for others.

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This is nothing like Mulan.

Not even close

Mulan: Takes place in Asia
Brave: takes place in Ireland or Scotland or whatever

Mulan: musical
Brave: not a musical

Mulan: disguises herself as a man
Brave: does NOT do that at all

Mulan: becomes a brave disguised warrior to honor her family and protect all the people in China
Brave: Merida's mother wants her to get married, but Merida does not want to. So she visits a witch and the witch gives her a poisoned pie to convince her mother that she does not need to get married. However, this backfires when she turns into a bear! Merida must set off on an adventure with her mother to change her back to a human. During their journey, they must settle some issues and bond

The only similarities I believe these two movies have is that both of the main characters are tomboys

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Yeah, for the first half hour it seems like "Brave" is going to be a good film about a girl who resists being forced into marriage at fourteen (or whatever) and saves the day like Mulan does, but all she actually does is fuck up and then make it right again.

I'm amazed her parents didn't force her to get married at the end after all, and make her some other clan's problem.

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So you don't think that Elinor did anything wrong?

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When did I state or imply Elinor did nothing wrong? Yes, it was wrong of Elinor to force her tomboy daughter into an arranged marriage, but at the finale she had to be aware that her daughter was an idiot and a fuckup and had nearly put a lifelong curse on her and ruined the lives of her whole family, so she really had cause to be angry at the girl.

Of course pushing Merida into a strategic marriage would have been a bad idea, as the girl would probably crack her husband's skull on the wedding night and start a war instead of cementing an alliance, but the anger had to be there, as well as the temptation to make her someone else's problem... someone far away...

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Okay, it is good that you acknowledge Elinor's faults as well.
But I still think that you're too hard on Merida, especially when you think about how young she is.
We are totally meant to see that giving her mother an enchanted cake could have ended really badly.
And I found it even worse that she forgot it in the kitchen where her younger brothers could eat it.
But she wouldn't have asked the witch for help if Elinor hadn't thrown her bow into a fire.
And really, Elinor had to be turned into a bear to make her and Merida reconnect with each other.
It is implied as well that Merida matured from that ordeal and appreciated her lessons more than she did earlier.

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Everyone in this movie is flawed, so much so that although I very much wanted to like the character... I just found the lot of them unlikable and stopped caring about their problems and started to wonder what the hell the writers were thinking. How did they start with the usual mother-daughter conflicts and end up with turning people into bears? How many drafts of the script were there, how many attempts to fix a bad idea? Etc.

Anyway, the most likable character in the movie was probably the dad who'd never used his brain in his life, but only because we were never asked to take him seriously.

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u didn`t know that u should elaborate on ur opinion, did u?

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