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They made a movie in a place that never existed.

posted 14 years ago by gokkhan
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I cant believed my eyes when i saw the location in the movie, it is said. "1980 Kurdistan".
Are the directors high when they are writing the script?
Did anyone noticed somehow there is no such place?
What bothers me is that place they called kurdistan is in east cost of TURKEY. They pick a name, a place and put it inside TURKISH borders.
How humiliating is that?
There is NO goverment NO flag NOTHING about kurdistan. Turks, Kurds lived for ages in these lands in piece. But there are those who wants more, becomed terrorists they want our lands,the terrorist minded kurds in Iraq and those who live in turkey betrayed us and, wanted the east coast of TURKISH LANDS. And they came up with the idea of kurdistan. All the blood all the murdering nevers stops in the east becouse of it. We Turkish people are defending our country from them. Defending it from being kurdistan which is never existed and ever will be.

Curse to the terrorism!, and this movie for, steped on our values!

[–] vk-miesbach 14 years ago

It actually said "1988 Kurdistan". It is widely recognized as the name of a region. In the movie it is never claimed that Kurdistan is or ever was internationally recognized as a sovereign nation. But claiming there is no place by that name? That's absurd. And their flag not being a national flag doesn't make it nonexistent either.

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[–] 9inchnail 14 years ago

And you're not defending your country, you are persecuting a minority. If the public eye wasn't on Turkey, you would have killed them all by now. You label them as terrorists but they have been persecuted and deported for decades. Your way of dealing with the problem is just one reason why Turkey has not been accepted in the European Union, yet. Besides your neglecting of human rights, of course. People somehow don't like torturers. Too bad for Turkey.

[–] devdem 14 years ago

This is not defending a country, persecuting a minority, or neglecting human rights.
The problem of the "West" is... They have always an idea about something, but they really doesn't know anything!
For God's sake! Go to Turkey, visit any town you want, then have an idea!
Movies, "political" books, words of politicans proves nothing!
Do you have any Turkish or Muslim friend?
Muslims and Turks are always bad; you think. That's the problem. That's persecuting!
This is racism!
There are millions of Kurds in Turkey, living in "peace" with other people you call "Turks".
See; my origins are Kurdish and I did't have any "political and social" problems in my whole life...
You have to understand the difference between a Kurd and a terrorist!
Torture? Killing? Lots of babies, children, mothers (even expecting a child) have been killed by the terrorists, PKK...
European Union? Do you know that PKK is in their list of "Terrorist Organization".
So... Yes; Kurdistan doesn't exist... But this is just a movie... Directors (or script writers) can do anything they want.

PEACE AT HOME, PEACE IN THE WORLD
Kemal Ataturk (Founder of Modern Turkey)

[–] edenonline 14 years ago

This whole thread would be funny if it wasn't so sad. Sad because all the wise a55es from inside and outside Turkey are expressing views which kill hundreds of people a year, thousands over the last decade.
The original poster is being typically chauvinist when he/she claims Kurdistan is a place on the Eastern coast of Turkey, Kurdistan (literally the place of the Kurds) encompasses parts of Iran, Iraq, Armenia, Syria and Azerbaijan as well as Turkey.
In some of those countries (Syria and Iran) Kurdish nationalists are considered good guys by the Israeli imperialist/Western colonialist forces busy creating so much death and destruction in the ME.
In most of the other bits especially Turkey Kurdish nationalists are 'bad guys' otherwise known as terrorists.
The situation is particularly complex in Iraq where Israeli/USuk attitudes towards Kurdish nationalism change with the wind. The Kurdish nationalists were encouraged to resist Saddan Hussein when that area of Iraq was isolated from the Iraqi central infrastructure by a western imposed no-fly zone implemented after Iraq was conned into believing the west would turn a blind eye to Iraq's recovery of it's Southern most province.
However as USuk vacillated on the issue of whether or not Iraq should be broken into (hopefully) easier to govern fragments, so did western support for an independent kurdish Iraq.
USuk played Turkey on this for a long time but their need for Turkish supply routes trumped their wish to play the Kurdish minority party against the Shia majority after both had been used to deny a mandate to Sunni Iraqis in the 2005 elections.
The kurds are one of the major terrorist organisations murdering civilians in Iran which was fine by USuk until Turkey pointed out that the US resourced bases in northern Iran were being used to train PKK fighters for actions in Turkey.
A compromise appears to have been reached whereby Komouleh the terrorists responsible for some of the worst atrocities in Iran are considered 'OK' by USuk, but the PJAK (Iran based Kurdish group with ties to the PKK the Turkish Kurd organisation) has been branded terrorist by USuk.
Yet the two organisations are inextricably intertwined.
If the Kurdish nationalist organisations were thinking long term they should sever ties with any foreign intelligence agency otherwise the same fate will befall them as befell the ethnic minority groups in Indochina's hill country.
The US only provided support for as long as it was good for the US.
Then support was withdrawn leaving the minority groups alone in a land surrounded by people who loathed them as traitors and held them responsible for avery atrocity committed by the americans.
Any chance of a political settlement had been sabotaged by US efforts during the war as they needed the tribespeople to keep fighting the 'commies'and when the yanks left there was no longer common ground for settlement.

[–] aiarakoa 13 years ago

To summarize: check this comment http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1217070/board/thread/158004533?d=174194384 &p=2#174194384, works equally as a reply for your comment.

[–] red-baron1-546-341928 11 years ago

Yes come to any city in Turkey, specially the Kurdistan area. Come to Diyarbekir, Agri, Wan, Hakkari, Batman, Mardin. Come there during 21 of march, during kurdish national day and you will see that Kurds are living in "peace" with Turks. What a bunch of bullsh*t.

Kurdistan is a warzone, if it was peace there why do Kurds always demonstrate for their rights?

PKK is a terrorist organisation? A terror organisation that wants to lay their arms down for more human rights?
The real terrorists are Turkey, we all know that Turkey invites Hamas leaders to Turkey, same Hamas that wants the destruction of Israel.

We all know that Turkey is giving arms to Al Qaida groups in Syria and let them have medical treatment in sanliurfa. The groups are Al Nusra and ISIS, you can all google this and find a lot of investigations and reports about this.

Who is the real terrorist? PKK that wants peace and more human rights? even ready to leave Turkey and lay down their arms for that?

Or Turkey that says no to peace, inviting Hamas leaders and giving arms to Al Qaida groups, same group that bombed the twin towers, same groups that conducted bombs in Madrid and London.

Shame on Turkey.

And for others saying Kurdistan dont existed and never existed before. Go check old ottoman maps where the area says clearly KURDISTAN and check right now the western region in Iran, it is named KORDESTAN.

Turks are just scared as hell for words like Kurds, Kurdistan and Armenian genocide.

And for Turks trolling about their heritage being Kurdish, go joke somewhere else. I am Kurd and I say there is no peace between Turkey and Kurds. If there was, there wouldn't be any need for PKK and BDP "Kurdish political party" wouldn't be even in the parliament.

[–] ardaa_7 14 years ago

This film is absolutely ridiculous because in this film soldiers which weared Egypt uniforms and in the film they are showed as Turkish soldiers I didn't understand... And Directer don't know anythig abaout the the location. If he look at the map he will see the Turkish places insted of Kurdish places... the film olnly about the histrionics... SO so so ridiculous

[–] gemstone20 14 years ago

From reading these responses, I am getting the idea that the film-makers have shone a light on some dark places where many would rather remain hidden.
I know for a fact the Kurds exist, I saw the images in the news, of the people Saddam used gas on, those poor mothers and babies.
I guess "he" didn't want them to exist either.
As for the movie, in my opinion it was good and I enjoyed watching it, if it werent for these brave souls who go there to these places that "don't exist"
to capture and record such images, you people may be able to fool us with your lying propaganda.

[–] ermanbora 14 years ago

What images and brave souls are you talking about?
The movie is shot in Spain.... dumbass

[–] HombreOfAnotherEra 13 years ago

Alicante, to be precise!

[–] murad23 14 years ago

Gokhan, poll after poll show the majority of our Kurds in Turkey want some form of autonomy yet have not taken up terrorism. Your attitude, in reality the falsehoods you believe, do not make reality. Only a tiny minority of Kurds who want autonomy are violent. Your ilk who label Kurd who want independence as terrorist is sickening.

The Kurdish people were there for thousands of years before we arrived. And you are forgetting that we persecuted them relentless, killing some 350,000 in this the twentieth century alone. It was for 60 years illegal for Kurd in Turkey to even speak Kurdish in their own home! Saying you were a Kurd was an illegal act.

Things have gotten slightly better in Turkey for our Kurds but they are still the largest ethnic group in the world without a country. Our own government has to work harder if we are to prevent them from pushing for full independence -- and I mean with tolerance, not helicopter gunships shooting up their villages, as I saw with my own eyes while serving in the our army.

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[–] Milkyway123 9 years ago

by murad23 » Tue Jun 29 2010 22:26:50 Flag ▼ | Reply |
IMDb member since November 2004
Gokhan, poll after poll show the majority of our Kurds in Turkey want some form of autonomy yet have not taken up terrorism. Your attitude, in reality the falsehoods you believe, do not make reality. Only a tiny minority of Kurds who want autonomy are violent. Your ilk who label Kurd who want independence as terrorist is sickening.

The Kurdish people were there for thousands of years before we arrived. And you are forgetting that we persecuted them relentless, killing some 350,000 in this the twentieth century alone. It was for 60 years illegal for Kurd in Turkey to even speak Kurdish in their own home! Saying you were a Kurd was an illegal act.

Things have gotten slightly better in Turkey for our Kurds but they are still the largest ethnic group in the world without a country. Our own government has to work harder if we are to prevent them from pushing for full independence -- and I mean with tolerance, not helicopter gunships shooting up their villages, as I saw with my own eyes while serving in the our army.

Interesting and compassionate post. Are you turkish? Are you living in Turkey today?

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[–] aiarakoa 13 years ago

gokkhan said:

kurdistan which is never existed and ever will be

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurdistan

So it doesn't exist; maybe happens with it same than with homosexuals in Iran, whom Mahmud Ahmadineyad said about that they didn't exist as well.

http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/24/ahmadinejad-denies-existence-of-ga ys-in-iran/

gokkhan said:

They pick a name, a place and put it inside TURKISH borders

Inside Turkish, Iraqian, Iranian & Syria, don't be so egocentrical. Though maybe, and as I remember only Iraq's Saddam government & Turkish practices (though it's true that Kurdish were in a lesser scale, 37.000 deaths, plus thousands and thousands forced to leave their homes, are quite many) against them, those murdering practices may justify such egocentrism.

gokkhan said:

Turks, Kurds lived for ages in these lands in piece (sic)

Peace? like Spanish Francisco Franco "XXV Años de Paz" (XXV Years of Peace) between 1939 and 1964? http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/2076/46486211gr6.jpg Read this from the first of my Wikipedia's links, abuot Turkish Kurdistan: "All were forcefully put down by the authorities. The region was declared a closed military area from which foreigners were banned between 1925 and 1965". No peace under tyranny, no peace without freedom

gokkhan said:

We Turkish people are defending our country from them

Did your beloved Ataturk also defend your country while doing a genocide against Armenians?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Genocide

Bursa's deputy in 1920 said, at Assembly of Nations, "why did we impute the title of murderer to our race ? Why did we enter into such decisive and difficult struggle ? That was done just for securing the future of our country that we know as more precious and sacred than our lives". It seems that not only each time 20th century Turkish government seek to defend the country, thousands and thousands of civilians die; also, they deny being doing anything wrong (never mention making a genocide).

I find negationism despicable. If you just had stuck to historical truth, or merely commenting possible film flaws, would have been OK; instead, you had to make such comment justifying the violation of human rights and lying about facts. Spanish government's inactivity in the Western Sahara affair is enough to make me feel fed up, so I don't see the need for such negationist show from your side.

[–] zking 13 years ago

@aiarokoa

how ridiculous are you to use Wikipedia articles as reliable sources of information ?LOL LOL LOL

and to mention Ataturk together with the ALLEGED armenian genocide shows how much you know about turkish history.....ZERO NADA NIENTE NOTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!

if there is someone to blame for an alleged genocide then it is the young turks...not Ataturk

and to all the people who think they know so much just after having read 2 or 3 articles in a newspaper etc....please try to get some more information about a certain topic before you build your opinion

if the kurds have been living in their territories for decades they obvioulsy did not manage to build their own country

now that they are living spread over 3 countries....what are you gonna do? create a new country and redefine the frontiers of the 3 other ones?

the only way for kurds is to live in peace ..try to integrate and identify with their nation....of course not giving up their culture
but isolation and violence is not gonna get the kurds anywhere

[–] PulpFictionWhatsInTheBriefcase 13 years ago

What's funny is that the Turks sent that flotilla to "Palestine" which doesn't exist, which the Israeli seized, and then try and tell other countries to stay out of their business with the Kurds.

The Turks don't like the Armenians, they don't like the Kurds, they don't seem to play well with others.

[–] eyigit 13 years ago

The Problem is, Turkey is in habit of a wealthy place, the border between Far East and Europe, everyone wants it, also the USA...

I mean, you people all talk about genocide, famous armenian music band "system of a down" make propaganda, once turkey agreed to put everyhing to public has been ignored by the armenian government. why? do they know they will lose when it comes to evidence? i mean it were the armenians who started killing turks during the first world war, they were cruel to turks and aserbaidschan people, turkish army killed bad armenians and had defend themselves by keeping the rest of them away. and come on guys, this is how it works everywhere, so dont blame the turks. dont know why everyone has a problem with us turks. remember, pearl harbor, americans have put ALL japanese people in their country in to terrible places, worse than jail. germans and jewish people... i think i need no comment, this was probably one of the worst things... remember british people shipping criminals to australia, killing people in algeria, tunisia or india. AMERICANS KILLING NATIVE AMERICANS, RAPING, MURDERING AND STEALING everything they had. No one says "give back the land of the native americans", no one blames america for being the only country throwing nuclear bombs on CIVIL JAPANESE TOWNS, and why??? LoL, because japanese army fought in war and attacked a harbour, so the answer was blowing up 2 towns and millions of innocent people.

i know i drifted away from the topic a bit,
but what i wanted to underline is, that everyone looks for sth. to blame on the turks while ignoring everything what "the white man" does or has already done.

it is highly provocative to name "kurdistan" in a movie while thousands of turks and kurts are dying in war because some kurdish terrorists are out there.

i live in germany, i know many kurdish people here and in turkey as well, the point is, everyone of them is happy with their identity, they accept their passport, and it is up to them how they live private, there they maintain their culture.

i mean i am turkish and cannot do everything in "turkish way" in public, i know what, we somehow have integrated and changed, but being at home with my family we keep our culture alive and no one thinks of killing germans and trying to get a part of it as "new turkey" or sth like that.

when YOU ALL think that the kurds should get the country which somehow belonged to them, THEN PLEASE tell me the diffrence between kurds, and palastine people, native americans, japanese civil people being killed by nuclear bomb, etc.