There is no place called kurdistan territory in the world. Also there has been no war between Turks and people who call them kurds. Only a terrosit group PKK (known as a terrorist group in all world which kills not only soldiers but also innocent people) places in Turkish south east. Perhaps directors of the film don't know this issue very well and are making a big mistake. This could encourage terrorist groups.
shareWhat world are you living in? Kurdistan, or land of the kurds, spreads over Turkey, Iran, Irak, and numerous other countries. It is a region, not a specific country. You cannot deny the history of Kurdistan simply because it may prevent the PKK's terrorist actions.
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We are living it the same world with you pal. I dont know which country are you from but will like to learn gladly. As it says in the film 'They have been fighting for 2 centuries and will be fight for more 2 centuries.' You all believe in that hah ? We dont deny the history. You the ones which does not know the history, denies. As we watch the movie there are some people killed ? Hımmm lets look at it a little bit more deeply. How much exactly do you know ? How much ??? for as you say a zone (which have never been a country until now) and with a great help from your contries trying to be a country at last.
But I can say easily how much Turkish Soldiers were killed shielding borders of Turkey: 6404.
How many Kurdish refugees we accepted from Iraq : 500 000.
And you just say that it covers many countries but especially Turkey. Come on pal. Read the history. Read the news. Read what happens really there. Dont come with film or wiki tricks.
P.S. These dreams can be just made true with films :)
Complete wrong absoultly. Where is kurdistan in the map? This movie just will creating chaos. turkish goverment must appeal to this. Because has attacking to turkey map. I'm inviting to everybody to be prudent and to thinking. I have being upset from the movies have been obtained political purposes... Turkishs is ancient civilization until each country. The first of everything must respect. Hi and respects from the turkey to everyone...
shareThe saddest side of this film was a Bosnian director. We all Turkish people see Bosnian people as brothers and we all have the same history and religion. When Bosnia was invaded by Serbian. All Turkish people became unhappy about this. There had been many helping campaigns in Turkey at that time. And what is a Bosnian Director doing today? He has a directed a fiLm which gives wrong knowledge to; watchers. I repeat it again THERE IS NO PLACE CALLED KURDISTAN IN THE WORLD. IT IS A SiLLY MiSTAKE.
shareTurks. The masters of denial. genocide, human rights issues, the kurds etc etc.
Keep it coming turks! you are hilarious.
No, the saddest side is that the Turks are the same as Serbs. They go around, opressing minorities, commiting genocides (Serbs over Bosnians, Turks over Armenians and Kurds), they are very well aware of the genocides and all the crimes their army commits, but still they play dumb and act like "Who? We? We didn't do anything wrong? What are you talking about?".
I am Bosnian and I don't see why I should see Turks as "brothers". Bosnia was occupied for centuries by Turkish troops, they forced their religion and their customs upon us, they sold weapons both to Serbs and Bosnians during the war, to make profit and satisfy their greed, they rob Bosnian tourists when they go to Turkey with phrases like "Oh, you, brother from Bosnia, here, I have special price for you, very cheap", then they sell you some broken piece of sh*t for 10 times the price it's worth...
All we got today from Turkey are bunch of smelly, stinky, primitive turkish immigrants who use Bosnia as a crossing border for their illegal transfer to the western European countries, and Turkish immigrants are the main reason why we still can't get visum-free regime in EU.
So why should I view a bunch of genocide-commiting, immigrant-sending, former-occupationist primitives as "brothers"? I see no reason for that.
No, the saddest side is that the Turks are the same as Serbs. They go around, opressing minorities, commiting genocides (Serbs over Bosnians, Turks over Armenians and Kurds), they are very well aware of the genocides and all the crimes their army commits, but still they play dumb and act like "Who? We? We didn't do anything wrong? What are you talking about?".
NO NO NO
the saddest part of the story is that there are still people on this planet that are carrying so much hate around...this one here has a deep hate for turks ...for some reason
learn about history JERK....the ottoman empire is known for their tolerant behavior towards occupied cultures..UNLIKE many other great empires....or the christian crusades
and yes, we turks believe that bosnians are our brothers...but looks like it is a crime in your eyes
to use some greedy traders on bazaars as the ideal depiction of a turk and generalize ....you are nothing but a f...g racist BRO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
..but i guess it is quiet normal that small countries that have been invaded in their history have some sort of hate or complexes towards the country that had conquered it...so all i can tell you BRO; GET OVER IT!
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shareIf you are "Bosnian" then you can be only Serbian(or Croatian) ethnicity.
share"The number of Kurds living in Southwest Asia is estimated at around 35 million, with another million living in diaspora. Kurds are the fourth largest ethnicity in the Middle East after Arabs, Persians and Turks."
Kurdish story is definitely the saddest story of our days. Those guys above me are just bit brainwashed by official Turkish policy. U can't denial existence of 35 million people, as well as u can't denied over 1 million dead Armenians and 5 centuries of cruelest occupations of many neighboring regions. You cant't really believe it that the rest of the world will just give you right! Right? In my country, Serbia, my government tried the same thing with Bosnians, but hay, I got my opinion, my own head, I stood up against it. I could have even some negative opinion against Bosnian politicians, but right of their people to exist and call themselves Bosnians I never questioned. So, if some couldn't denied existences of a 2 million nation, how do you think that it will work with 35 millions?
nobody is denying the existence of the kurdish people....but people are denying that there is a country called kurdistan...and there is not
ok there are 25 million kurds spread allover the middleeast? what is your plan?
to give them a country? which country is going to give up what percentage of its territory? who is going to decide?..that is *beep*
the kurds never had their own country and they probably are not even able to come together and run their own government...
best thing for them to do is to keep their cultures alive ...but also integrate themselves to the country they are living in....just like all the immmigrants in europe that are expected to integrate themselves into the european cultures
maybe it is time to consider the country you are living in as a chance, rather than a cuff that is binding your hands together
Talking Kurdish issue with a Turk is only wasting energy and time
All you get out of them is denial as they did till the guerrilla war started in 1984 with Kurds.
They are terribly scarred when they hear the word Kurdistan or Kurdish. Over the years they forbid Kurdish language as they did to Anatolian Greeks and Armenians.
Recently They accepted the existence of Kurds when couple of bullet flew over their heads.
Turk arrived Anatolia in year 1071 from Mongolia while Kurds were living there millennium before.
As i said no point of talking about ARMENIAN GENOCIDE,
EXILE of ANATOLIAN GREEKS or
EXISTENCE of KURDS WITH T U R K I S H M U R D E R E R S.
yeah the kurds are civilized people that could not even create their own country in such a long time ....
they have such a great culture..they kill their daughters when they have been raped, they kill their sons when their son is gay...they kill each other because of a stupid thing like honor....kurdish men can marry several women....girls are not allowed to go to school...all that *beep*
yeah and they are innocent people that force their teenagers to become guerrilla terrorists...if they decide to leave the terror group they are murdered...............................
lol there IS war between the turks and the kurds.
only a fool sucked into turkish propaganda would believe otherwise. tens ot thousands of kurdish civilians have been killed by turkish soldiers over the last few decades. the turks occupy kurkdish land, as do the iranians and iraqis. Which makes their position on israel and the palestinians all the more hypocritical, never mind the turks recent trouble causing flotilla of "aid" for gaza.
Lead by example turkey...grant them autonomy like you claim is "right".
its amazing anyone thinks the turks are eu worthy.
This is typical of fascist turks and fake islamic turks. You don't seem understand that in real life you need to bring actual to your claim. You can't just deny Kurds and Kurdistan's 5000+ year old history without bringing up actual proof/sources. That only works in you Fascist Coffeeshops, not in the real world.
shareNever discuss history with a Turk... complete waste of time.
shareThis *beep* always happens here. A movie comes out which offends some people looking to be offended and then they descent upon the board. It's like in chat rooms where a bunch of bible bashers hit at once. It's so obvious there's a computer lab full of them and this is what they do. It looks like the same here as well. Keep it all in one thread. Bump it constantly if you like, but for God's sake (all three versions of him, even!) WE CAN READ! Keep the race war in race war threads. Choose this one and stick to it. Thanks.
shareLook, it's pretty simple. Americans learn what they teach in American schools. Turks learn what they teach in Turkish schools. North Koreans learn what they teach in "Best" Korean schools, and so on.
Arguing about it is dumb, even if the entire rest of the world knows what the Turks will always deny.
Oh, and by the way, the US absolutely did not massacre the native Americans to take over the real estate west of Massachusetts. I know this because they would have mentioned it in school when I was a kid if it had really happened. LOL
well some of us turks have grown up in europe and went to european schools
...whatcha gona say now?
Guys, it's simply not possible to discuss Kurds and/or Kurdistan with Turks. It just isn't. Give it up.
If Turkey would actually allow access to free information, like Wikipedia, the Turks would know that Kurdistan was very well "on the map", until Safavid and Ottoman forces decided to invade and split it up between them in the 16th century.
Even the modern-day borders of Turkey were established by agression and illegal conquest by Kemal Atatürk, including parts of the area formerly known as Kurdistan, for crying out loud.
And these people want to become members of the EU? Over my dead body!
Guys, it's simply not possible to discuss Kurds and/or Kurdistan with Turks. It just isn't. Give it up.
If Turkey would actually allow access to free information, like Wikipedia, the Turks would know that Kurdistan was very well "on the map", until Safavid and Ottoman forces decided to invade and split it up between them in the 16th century.
Even the modern-day borders of Turkey were established by agression and illegal conquest by Kemal Atatürk, including parts of the area formerly known as Kurdistan, for crying out loud.
And these people want to become members of the EU? Over my dead body!
This is what the Turks do, they ban you from all your cultural background...no matter who you are, Kurdish, Arminian, Christian, Greek...and if you protest against Turkish racist and fascist government... they call you a terrorist and they kill you for sure…what they did in Kurdistan is unbelievable, in fact it is a shame upon US and EU countries…because they choose to stay silent against all those atrocities committed by successive Turkish governments and we in 21st century and they are still committing all those crimes against the Kurds and other minority groups. There are many examples, one to mention here, the Turkish army have an internal army called “Ozel Team” meaning “Special forces”, these thugs are very ruthless and barbaric, they go to a Kurdish village wearing PKK clothes and kill the entire people, then the Turkish official TV comes and takes pictures and Videos and they air it on the TRT channel as if PKK did the killing…imagine…how many innocent Kurds have been killed like this so far…The Turkish army destroyed 3000 villages while Tansu Çiller was a prime minister in the 90s …another problem in Turkey is that the people are racist and they hate every one apart from themselves…so it is not strange to all us to see stupid comments on the board from those blind and ignorant Turks…let me tell you Turks…Kurdistan will gain freedom very very soon…whether you like it or not…as well as all the other groups inside Turkey…once this completed there will be no more Turkey and you, Turks, have to pack up your bags and leave, because that is not you land you occupiers….
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