The moon landing sequence was very moving?
This was a human achievement! That's why they didn't show the planting of the flag. I'm not from the USA and still feel proud about what these 3 men and the people at NASA did.
It's not like they just open the hatch and ran to plant the flag. In other words, the flag planting came later. Two different events.
They certainly didn't have to make a huge scene out of it but I remember vividly when Russia and the U.S were in a bitter and frantic race to see who could get there first. This was the very height of the Cold War, and for right or wrong, nationalism played an enormous role in both programs. Without the Cold War and nationalistic influence driving the pace, the landing probably wouldn't have happened until 1980 or even longer.
In other words, warts and all, nationalism was the major factor in the expedience of both programs. To change that is to change history.
Absolutely - the moon landing was a political objective, not a scientific one. However, that doesn't mean we should primarily celebrate that aspect of it. Fifty years on, the meaning of Apollo 11 has changed, and thank god for that.
shareThis was a human achievement! That's why they didn't show the planting of the flag.
They didn't show the planting of the flag because it's not a movie about the moon landing, it's a movie about a troubled man who just happened to be an astronaut.
shareExactly.
shareThey didn't show the flag planting because they're a lot of anti-American Hollywood leftists. It was a human achievement, but it was, more precisely, an achievement of the United States. That fact cannot be rationally denied.
share"they're a lot of anti-American Hollywood leftists."
Right wing nuts talking points zzzz
It is true, though. Hollywood leans pretty far left, as a whole.
The exceptions are so rare that when one pops up you take note of them.
I never said Hollywood wasn't liberal, just the "anti-American" part is something out of 1950
shareI think a lot of Hollywood people do hate America. They only focus on the negative parts of our history and have no reverence for the good parts. They attack our fundamental rights. They shy away from any display of patriotism.
Like many on the Left, it's clear that they want to tear down what's been built and erect something new in its place.
Again, right wing extremist talk. You should stop watching Fox News. Are you one of those that tells people who criticize America to leave?
shareAh yes, these days acknowledgement of reality is "extremism."
In regard to your second question, if someone is not an American citizen and they take a critical stance against America, then yeah they can go ahead and get the fuck out. You don't walk up in someone else's house and start talking shit.
What about Americans like Michael Moore?
shareWell he's an American citizen so it's properly his homeland and he's free to express his views, ironically, under the freedom granted to him under the 1st amendment.
So I wouldn't tell him to leave. I would, however, tell him he's an asshole.
So the first ammendment doesn't cover people not born in the USA but that are living there?
shareI believe it does, legally, but like I said there's a certain decorum that should be observed when you walk into someone else's house. You're supposed to mind your manners and be on your best behavior. You don't act the same way you do when you are in your own house.
Allow me to give you an example:
Japan is known to be a somewhat racist and xenophobic nation. If you are not Japanese, you will not be treated the same way a Japanese person will be. That's just a fact and anyone who knows anything about living in Japan as a foreigner knows that.
So would I be in the right to go to Japan and then start complaining about the way they do things and start talking about how much Japan sucks? No, I would not be. If I don't like the way they conduct their affairs I should just keep my ass at home where I belong.
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That's fine. But I'm talking about the movie. I pointed it out a couple of times that I was talking about the movie. I think any half thinking person who knows who Armstrong is understands that there was more to his life but ***THE MOVIE*** is about a very specific aspect of who he was. The source material is inconsequential in the face of what was presented in the film.
Ever seen A Beautiful Mind? If you're not familiar with who John Nash was in real life I can tell you the film really wasn't about John Nash as a person but a couple of small fragmented aspects of John Nash. And even those fragments aren't a fair representation of who he was. But it's still a good film for what it was. The same with First Man, a limited interpretation of the aspect of a person who's life was very much more. Granted, in John's case they left out the worst of his nature and the best of his contributions are glossed over. And we had seen the film gave the same treatment of Nash (to a point) as we did of Armstrong.
So I really don't know what you're disagreeing with me on. Neither film are true autobiographies nor do I think were they meant to be represented as such.
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It's not like it's the only film that can ever be made about Armstrong. I personally would rather see something a bit more about the human side of these people then just an Apollo missioned-based The Right Stuff Part II.
In any case, the film is what it is. A biographical film doesn't have to highlight the aspect of a person that most people know. No one in the target audience of this film doesn't understand who Armstrong is as a public figure. To each their own, I can accept that you may not like it for what it is but there is no denying that it's not a spotlight on his career as an astronaut simply because he was an astronaut.
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If the first moon landing had been accomplished by Britain, the U.S.S.R., or India, I would feel proud about what they, as humans, did. But I would still acknowledge that it was a British, Soviet, or Indian achievement.
shareExactly as it should be.
The moon landing was absolutely a human achievement and any human being can, and I'd argue should, take pride in it for this reason.
But at the same time it is more specifically an American achievement, and Americans therefore can take a special kind of pride in it.