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My thoughts on this film (spoilers)


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Minor writer Ned is tooling down the country road on his way to his dying father’s house, to be with him when his hour comes. His girlfriend, half his age, is an immature, narcissistic, aggressive dumb blonde, with a big abrasive mouth, which starts to get on my nerves immediately. Then she takes an extended leak by the side of the car. Then they hit a kangaroo and Ned throws away the dead body, with the still living joey. Then they pass groups of drunken blue singleted hoons. Then they arrive at the tired run down little homestead. That’s in the first few minutes.

It goes downhill from there, way, way downhill. As soon as they open the door, and dumb blonde girlfriend makes herself as obnoxious and rude as possible, she is matched by Ned’s father Bruce, who turns out to be one of those fathers who is stuck on being as sarcastic and wounding as possible, to everyone, but especially his own family. If there is one scene showing him at his most sour and acidic, there are a dozen, and likewise there cannot be sufficient scenes of him wetting himself, lying screaming on the floor, weeping loudly in his bed and so on.

At about this time, my own nerves are jangling as much as Ned’s, and when he starts banging his head on a steering wheel, I felt I would like to do the same, or get down on the cinema floor and start dragging up carpet tacks with my teeth. But wait, there’s more.

Ned’s sexual urges concerning his girlfriend are not being met, and their coupling has a mechanical aura to it. She hates the place and between her moaning and bitching about it, and his father laying on the vitriol, I feel like I’m at a very wrong night when some truly disgusting family is going to lay out its filthy linen, and by filthy I mean bulging with mounds of steaming fecal matter a yard high. By this stage, the plot is virtually without a pulse, but director / writer Rachel Ward decides she can slow it down to a standstill. Without a music score to speak of, and no other theme or diversion to go to, the affairs of this awful family begin to take on the effect of having a dentist use an industrial rasp on your molars.

It may be impossible to believe, but this is just the entrée for what is much worse. Ned begins to have an endless series of flashbacks to his life at the homestead 20 years ago, and each flashback is done in the clichéd manner – he hears his father belly aching, and he sees his father from back when he was in his prime. And he was even worse. So the flashbacks are no relief from this bloody-minded torment, but they do now broach the main theme of this flick, “Beautiful Kate” the long-dead twin sister of the permanently downcast Ned. Turns out she seduced him all the way back then. Now I enjoy scenes of youthful frolic, both in play and in sexual ardour, but call me an old fuddy duddy, I’m not into incest, and scenes of the two siblings running around the Hills Hoist with a hose, and later skinny dipping and “making love” by the dam at night, I just find repellent. You might get off on it. I don’t.

Just when you think this grande guignol could not plumb another avenue of dis-entertainment, we are shown that the “beautiful” Kate has also seduced Ned’s brother. They have fights over her. This family of sexual cannibals then gets a severe trim when Ned’s brother takes “keep it in the family” Kate in the car, and she gets killed in a crash. He then hangs himself in the shed.

It’s absolute meanness and nerve-destroying emptiness ruling the present, and this multiplied for the flashback scenes. Ok, if this sounds like your cup of tea, then go for it. I spent the whole film trying to find something that was not totally repulsive. Then I thought of all the stars and good reports it had garnered. I remembered Margaret Pomeranz raving about it, and I thought. “Yes, this is the story of Australian cinema. It gets extra stars because it is an AUSTRALIAN film, and it gets more than that because the writer / director is female.” The film is copybook example of the “higher values” of the self-absorbed illuminati. It looks upon alienating, boring, repulsive scenes and characters as worthy of our rapt attention.

And it is textbook female auterism. Why is it that female directors / writers tend to favour plotless movies with unsympathetic characters and stomach-turning themes? Is it because they want to show they are not sentimental and soft-headed? That they can be as dour and acidic as the most intestine-obsessed French wanker? That they are philosophers, not entertainers? How best to do that? Well, Beautiful Kate gives you the answer in bucketloads of ordure. Take an already repulsive and sickening theme. Slow it right down. Remove any hint of vitality, joy or humour. Remove any subplot or diversion from the main train wreck of a family which must be viewed with lidless eyes. You cannot overstate any negative dimension of character. If Bruce is snide and caustic, let that be paraded in extremis, scene after scene after scene. I felt like yelling “Ok, I get it! I get it! Can we move on?” There are no cattle roundups here. No sequences of life in the broader community. There is no hint of any ambition or life outside of the psychotic dilemma of the main characters. There is no sense that we are being told a story which has the feeling of a narrative.

And then comes the big denouement, the only moment in this interminable film that might lift it, at least marginally, out of the crypt. And it is complete belly flop. The catharsis feels contrived and confused. It has something to do with Ned exonerating his father over Cliff’s death. If Cliff’s death had been cause by a father’s curse, then a scene of atonement might have meant something, something in this viscous swamp of a film to give it meaning. But we are shown at least twice that Cliff kills himself directly after accidentally killing Kate. So none of it makes sense.

But not to worry. Just give it extra stars ‘cause it’s an Aussie movie, and has a female writer / director. And watch how audiences begin to realize that a constellation of stars awarded to Aussie movies mean next to nothing.

Btw, I can’t fathom why this “timeless masterpiece” has a message board here at IMDB with about 6 threads, after a year. And why the main board doesn’t even bother to name the characters played by half of the main stars, including Bryan Brown’s Bruce. Goes to show how genuine all these accolades are.



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I'm attempting to read between the lines, but can't be quite sure what you're trying to convey. Did you like the film or not? :) Just jokes.

You talk about the relationships between Ned & Bruce; Ned / Kate / Cliff (the other brother); and Ned / Toni, and you seem alternately distressed and bored by how unpleasant and dysfunctional it all is. Well, we're not meant to look on and be impressed at what we find in these relationships. This is what this film is about - how the manipulative actions of Kate took such a brutal toll on the family. It's unpleasant, sure.

Maybe you've come across people like Kate, who use their sexuality to play mind games on friends, co-workers etc. The shocking difference here is, Kate uses it on her siblings. We're not meant to enjoy the scenes of incest - it's meant to be disturbing. There's no intention for the audience to "get off on it", and I'm not sure why you would think any of those scenes are presented with that result in mind. Even the sex scenes between Ned and (girlfriend) Toni are disturbing, and intentionally so - we're meant to realise how thoroughly messed up Ned has become.

Q. Why do you think Ned, who seems fairly intelligent, wants to marry someone so vacuous as Toni?
A. He's quite messed up.

If you didn't understand the final scenes between Ned and Bruce, then you probably didn't understand much of the lead-up. For so many years, Ned has conveniently laid blame for Cliff's death on their father - what Ned chooses to focus on (seen via the flashbacks) is Bruce's scorn and derision of Cliff; the assumption for us in the audience is that Bruce is responsible for Cliff's suicide. As Ned (and we) realise, Bruce's harshness was intended to 'toughen Cliff up'; it was in fact Kate's seduction of Cliff which brought him to the edge of the abyss, then her death which pushed him over.

So: Ned doesn't forgive Bruce for Cliff's death - he realises it wasn't Bruce's fault in the first place. And he can't tell any of this tragic history to Bruce, on his deathbed. All he can do is give him some kind of warmth and affection, son to father, which he's been unable to do all these years because of his own blindness to the tragic reality.

I think the real trump card was Sally (the other sister) revealing she has known the 'real' truth all these years, and had long ago made peace with the details. Finally, Ned realises can release the shame of what took place all those years ago. I found the ending very liberating and hopeful for Ned.

p.s. I'm not quite sure what you mean by your last paragraph.. you can't understand the film's message board here "..after a year"? This film came out 3 weeks ago. Sure it has big names attached but it's more for the art-house crowd, so isn't going to have the interest of the American blockbusters and so on. But maybe I misunderstood what you're talking about there?

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Great summary, Seymour!

Unfortunately, I did not appreciate the movie as much as you did. I think there was an interesting story to tell here and I think Rachel Ward could definitely make films that I will enjoy in the future but there's something in this one that is lacking.

It could be that this is her first film and also her first screenplay AND a novel adaptation to boot. Those can be tricky. I could feel a lot of care and passion went into making this but maybe an outside look would have helped.

I'm sure the whole family dynamic was crystal clear in her head but the two story threads (present and past) do not go deep enough into the various relationships for me to care. To me, the most carefully laid out relationship was between Toni and Ned. The father and the twin sister were vague constructs. The older brother is a ghost, feels like a plot element. As for Sally, she seems like some kind of device. I don't mind Yoda in sci-fi entertainment. But I expect more in this kind of drama.

To me, it felt like a character-driven movie, without the characters. Kind of like a car with no engine.

For the record, I find the subject matter harsh but I can tolerate this kind of stuff. My issue is more with the execution, not the idea behind this film.

On the brighter side, I thought the acting was good and the music score very nicely done.

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> As for Sally, she seems like some kind of device.

I rather liked the film but I agree on this. I wonder if it was the same in the book.

In the movie it felt like the final revelation (by Sally) was a bit too simplified, to the point that one might think "if you had just told him." So when Ned said that his father's greatest achievement was her, the line does not go quite nicely down.

Yes, I see it's life and that was how disfunction the family was. Sally had to make peace with what was going on on her own but... It's just the cinematic use of the character could've been somewhat better.

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> As for Sally, she seems like some kind of device.

I rather liked the film but I agree on this. I wonder if it was the same in the book.

In the movie it felt like the final revelation (by Sally) was a bit too simplified, to the point that one might think "if you had just told him." So when Ned said that his father's greatest achievement was her, the line does not go quite nicely down.

Yes, I see it's life and that was how disfunction the family was. Sally had to make peace with what was going on on her own but... It's just the cinematic use of the character could've been somewhat better.

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Wonderful dissection of the film, thank you. =)

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You thought we were supposed to get off on the sex here?

Dude, you totally missed the point of this film.

In fact, did you even know that you were watching a movie? I think you were heading towards Bunnings and got lost. I don't mean to sound insulting when I say that. It's just that when you say that an extremely recent film was released last year, when the release date is RIGHT THERE for you to see, you might be confusing peas with peanuts.

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I realise the film has only been out for a couple of weeks, but the first post recorded here is for 2008. Maybe she was psychic.

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myles325, your original post was very well written. I enjoyed reading it. I couldn't agree more with everything you said. Throw enough misery up onto the screen and someone will call it "art".

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I totally disagree. I won't bother commenting on everything you wrote, not out of disrespect, but because I'm not a native speaker/writer and it takes me some time to put together a readable post.

First of all, there is nothing repulsive about this movie. On the contrary: I was amazed how beautifully and gently the movie approached its quite delicate topic and I thought that Sophie Lowe was just marvellous in it.

Secondly, I found your complaints about the family and the father character rather pointless, because you involuntarily admit that the movie conveys what it is supposed to convey: A shattered, disfunctional family that is unable to cope with the secrets and demons of the past. If you can't handle or dislike cinema and literature that addresses bleak and heavy topics like the one in the movie, this is a matter of your personal (dis)liking and not a flaw of the movie.

Thirdly, I can't understand how you can seriously say that there is no music score when one of the highlights of the movie is Tex Perkins' beautiful country score (for example in the flashback scenes) which is of course not overused but carefully applied to particular scenes - this is a drama, not a musical.

Fourthly, the ending makes perfect sense. Quoted from Wikipedia:
"She [Sally] also reveals that the car's clock stopped on impact of the crash and no one could figure out what took Kate and Cliff so long to get home from the Christmas dance. Sally speculates that Kate also had sexual relations with Cliff, who then murdered her and killed himself. This was not because of the guilt on his part in Kate's death; rather because he couldn't live knowing he had committed incest.

Ned then makes amends with Bruce and says that he is sorry for blaming him over Cliff's suicide. He doesn't tell Bruce the truth about Kate and lets him die still believing that Kate was everything he thought she was."

I won't bother commenting on your nonsensical remarks about female directors and Australian films - you had better left that out.

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I think the direction was quite sensitive to the issue, and non judgemental. It was very moving to me, with some funny moments, and visually rich.

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His girlfriend, half his age, is an immature, narcissistic, aggressive dumb blonde, with a big abrasive mouth, which starts to get on my nerves immediately.


She was only behaving aggressively because Ned didn't communicate with her. Instead, he used her superficially to keep the memory of Kate alive - he labelled her "beautiful" and used that beauty to rekindle images of Kate, or perhaps create new ones (like in his book), as many of the flashbacks looked like daydreams similar to some of Toni's poses. Appropriately, Toni was an actress, playing Kate. It is suggested that Bruce also used Kate to keep the memory of his wife alive - she was a free-spirit like his wife would have been before becoming secluded with the family like Sally has.

My favourite part of the film was at the end when we see a label of Toni's name, suggesting that Ned had finally seperated her from the illusion and realised that she had more value to him.

"You get me the real money, and i'll bring you the real diamonds."

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To the latte-sipping feminists who "loved" this pile of dung, might I remind you that it made approximately ZIP at the box office and about that from DVDs, and nobody across the world, apart from others like them, liked it.

"Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf" is a film which is is set in ONE night of drunken domestic brawl between one couple, observed by another. And yet, it is funny, exciting, intensely dramatic, full of pathos and meaning. So you can make a movie about the most unpromising material and turn it into a masterpiece.

There is nothing funny or dramatic about this vile creation though. It is a typically feminist production, self-regarding, self-conscious, pretentious, lifeless. And it doesn't know when to stop making the point OVER AND OVER AGAIN. To be "realistic", the dialogue is made as banal as possible, and the characters as irredemably unlikeable as possible. That's what makes it "high-brow" doesn't it?

Really, it's films like this that make Australians want to avoid them altogether. Especially ones with a female name as director.

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Well aren't you just a ray of sunshine then. And not at all misogynistic.

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You may be on the money in a couple of points, but overall In found you were off with the girlfriend. She was not that bad because to me he was ignoring her and he himself had sexual hangups that I feel had been going on for some time. when she left she must have just had it indicating to me that in the past they may have tried to work it out. and one can see he was beyond repair.

You hit the nail on the head with some female writers and directors. I sometimes feel in today's Hollywood you need not show a strong honest male or your film get more attention if you don't do this. It is so discouraging to see that men are portrayed as controlling, abusive and with so many hangups to women's needs and I find this true to some degree but no where near what Hollywood would want us to believe this being such a rarity.


I guess the men are the same way because they really don't show many films of strong good men either. the only one whose seem to get this is the top of the list male stars who usually don't play this role or would never take a script where he leaves a good woman for a younger babe. etc.

This concept with women writers/directors seems as if none of them had great dads I know it's a stretch but if they did they are not interested in telling these type of stories ..Has the movie industry gone totally women's point of view. This one of he reasons the movie industry is steadily heading down hill. every one wants to make a film with something new but the old standard romance movie strong guy strong woman at his side one of Hollywoods true money making concepts is not even being used.

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You wrote:

I sometimes feel in today's Hollywood you need not show a strong honest male or your film get more attention if you don't do this. It is so discouraging to see that men are portrayed as controlling, abusive and with so many hangups to women's needs and I find this true to some degree but no where near what Hollywood would want us to believe this being such a rarity.


I'm sorry, it's either that I find complex use of double negatives confusing, or you are spilling alphabet soup on my lap. Please write your contribution offline, edit it rigorously, phrase text using standard syntax and grammar (not streams of consciousness) and only THEN dispatch it.

Otherwise, you made what might be a couple of good points, albeit in embryonic form.

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Then they hit a kangaroo and Ned throws away the dead body, with the still living joey


Minor point but its clear that Ned kills the joey (which would have died anyway) - he throws it to the side of the road.

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