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The gang members would've walked


Walt deliberately made it look like he pointed a gun at them. Any reasonable person would've thought he did. What were they supposed to, let him shoot them? And they wouldn't have even been charged with murder, they would've been charged with manslaughter.

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The police were told that the neighbors were willing to testify against the gang. They accepted Walt as one of their own and defended him as such. Do you think the neighbors would say Walt baited the gang?

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If the neighbours told the truth, they would've walked. It's unlikely they'll risk going to prison by lying under oath, but I guess it's possible. But there would be physical evidence that he reached for his lighter. And the defence lawyer would say "why would Walt just let them kill him for no reason?" There would be too much reasonable doubt.

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The gang members would have to convince a jury that they reasonably believed Walt was going for a gun.

The fact that Walt already had a cigarette out weighs against that reasonable belief.

The fact that Walt died with a lighter in his hand is something of a clincher.

No matter how it’s characterized, Walt was an old, unarmed man on a public sidewalk. He was insulting the gang members which isn’t grounds for lethal force in self-defense. It might seem reckless of Walt — scratch that DEFINITELY seems reckless of Walt, until the coroner reveals Walt was dying.

A jury could believe that an unarmed old man would mouth off against a street gang because he’s got nothing to lose. But I’d bet real money they’d still convict them for killing him.

I dunno … OP raises some good points, but it’s still a pretty solid case.

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Make up your damn mind. Would the gang members have walked or been charged with manslaughter?

Being charged with manslaughter is not walking.

As the police investigated the innocent they would have seen a dead unarmed 80 year old man. You telling me they file no charges?

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They'd be charged with manslaughter, but it's highly unlikely the case would even make it to court.

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I'd say you Never saw the movie

The Punks ALL had Drawn pieces before Walt pulled out his cigarette

You're sadly typical of this site

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