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You know what is wrong with new horror


After watching this trailer I realized now more than ever what is wrong with new horror movies. It's the clearity of the image, with all this new techknowledgey and great picture quality something has been lost in translation from the story to the eyes. Older horror movies feel scary because their is a warmth to the picture, todays movies are clear and cold, older movies had more shadow and lesss detail which aided in the scare factor. I wish all movies were shot on the same type of film that was used around 1975 - 1985.

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Heck Yeah,Someone who finally gets it your totally right dude, clear and cold exactly, the older ones looked more raw and realistic but today they thing more realistic is a 50,000,000 dollar budget. I wish more people understood this bro.

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I'm going to make a short horror film adapted from my horror comic "Night of the Grizzler", look for it and read it. The movie I want to shoot and put filters on it to make it grainy, I want it to be an 80's horror film, with a good horror story and cool effects. I too am sick and tired of these new horror movies streaming out...I'm going to be a good film maker and make horror movies the right way. :) I can't wait for this movie!! :D

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That's cool, you going digital or film?

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I do believe we're going to be using film, maybe both. It has to access to computer for the filter effects and for some of the atmosphere.

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that's cool me and my buddy's writing one now, its just gonna be a 30 minute thing i've never made a film before, so i am totally lost, do you know anything about canon hv20 camera?, that's what i am thinking of getting? and a program for computer to edit with that isn't really pricey?

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Well, I just used a big hand-held canon camera, I forgot which brand, but it's that one where you can rotate the lense while the little screen shows you what you're shooting. I heard the Adobe feature for the filmmaking thing is pretty pricey, unless you have "public access". Use any camera you see fit to put on a pc at any cost if you can, I'm not a big tech dude, but use what's a good movie camera rather than spending too much for something that'll only be advanced for five years at a time or even less.

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thanks man, I'll check it out.

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Interesting thoughts... I think you've got something there. In general horror films don't work as well for me when they're overly slick and expensive looking.
I really love the way stuff looked in the 70's films. Though, if I was going to make a horror movie and had total control I would go all the way back to black and white.
When they made The Mist the director really saw it as a black and white movie and on the DVD there is a black and white version of it that he considers to be the 'director's cut'.

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So that's why I thought part of the acting and effects were a tad wooden, but still good nonetheless. I agree on your black and white vision of making horror films, I loved Night of the Living Dead in that context with the horror genre. I much perfer the creative colors you can use for back drop and suspense with the music.

You guys ever come across some of the prints of older 1990s books? Like for example...Goosebumps, Attack of the Mutant? Or Dean Koontz's Nightmares (I think it is, the cover with the black and red coloring of a cemetary and creatures), and even the Evil Ernie comics...you guys have any ideas how I could probably get a better chance at creating something like those?

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I honestly don't agree with this at all. It's a different technique from gritty to clear, but they both can be done very well, it's just that attention to script and directing and music are not done well these days. The love of the craft has been replaced by the love of easy money.



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The problem with today's horror movies is they're just that, gruesome and gory. It's up to the director what he/she wants to do, but we're all numb to ultra violence, blood and death. The answer? Give people what they want and actually scare them. It's all in the technique, for example: if you want said villain to commit a gruesome crime here's the right way and then the wrong way:

1. Right way: the killer walks up towards the house. You don't see his face. Show his big dirty boots (truncated images). Show his big Weimar Republic, grey woollen trench coat. Show the woman inside the house, typing away on her Facebook account. Then you hear the creaking and buckling of the wood where the killer is breaking down the door. Zoom in on his big gloves and a crowbar for breaking open the door. Show him enter the house and fade to black.
-No loud screams
-No killer jumping into the room
-No psychological torture porn where he rips her apart and rapes her repeated
-You have the cops talk about the crime a few days later and no crime scene photos.
-Allow the audience to imagine the horror themselves. They usually turn towards their own fears instead of you showing a version of horror
-Lastly, don't reveal the serial killer at all. Often times they aren't caught and nobody know what they're looking for. Even let him walk away from the crime.
-That's just one scene, but the idea is there. This kind of scene was done well in "No Country" when Sugar is in the room with the woman near the end of the movie. You know he's going to kill her, you just don't know how. It's unsettling.

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You should check out House of the Devil. It looks like it was made in the 80's. If you didn't know it was a new film, you would think it was 20 years old. They even put it out on vhs plus bluray/dvd just for atmosphere.

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Yeah it does, but the movie itself is boring as hell.

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good point!



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Yea, digital is cold. That's because it's synthetic. You can look at film with the naked eye. When it's digital, you need a machine to decipher the zeroes and ones. It's the same with music, too.

Now, digital has it's advantages. No time wasted developing film and it costs a lot less. And it can be very clean. Too clean if one is not careful.

The solution? Shoot with digital at highest quality and edit. Render at a much lower quality and it will give it more on an analog look. Not the same as film, but closer.

By the way, I have not seen this movie. My thoughts are for modern day films in general.

Check out "Run, Bitch, Run." It looks and sounds just like a 70's exploitation/grindhouse film. I don't know if they used digital cameras but it certainly doesn't look like it was just made.

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House of the Devil
seriously go check out that film, uses the old style of filming and really builds atmosphere.
looks like it was made in the 80s

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It's pretty funny you should say that, because I feel that way with alot of movies. Doesn't even have to be from that long ago - even dating back to the nineteens, quality was a lot different. It just makes for a better movie, in many aspects.

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I been saying for awhile ever since they started "remastering" old films that it was ruining alot of horror movies. I miss the dark blurry grainy film of crap cameras.

Now adays they use fancy cameras and try to recreate the grainy film look which doesn't work either.

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Agree with that. The new tech is ruining horror flicks.
But that's not the only reason. Like take "The Graves" for instance, I was really looking forward to this, as I like the horrorfest, but it was kind of a let down in the acting and the storyline was too messy also. :(

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I know you believe it's the new tech, but it's not...it's that they don't have a true horror style like Carpenter or Kubrick.

Heck, even Robert Rodriquez shot Planet Terror in Digital but it looked old school....it's all about the post process.

Check out my short film on my youtube link... The Unrest. No budget...but it has some style to it because I gre up watching older style films. The glossy horror crap just sucks because it's not scary looking...not enough shadowns....its just the style they lack, not the picture quality.

They just don't have a clue.



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