Confused
Did Che kill the kid that shot his son? He was looking at that kid's picture at the festival, and crossed himself. What did I miss?
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How did the kid die? I missed it.
shareHow he died wasn't shown. you could surmise it was a "live by sword, die by the sword" event. Like another poster said, -karma-. The death was a result of violence because of the "stop the violence" type of signs that were around the site where the makeshift shrine and Aztec dance was ocurring where the scene took place.
shareI'm not so sure it was strictly karma that caused the shooters death. If you recall at the hospital, shortly after Jes is shot u hear Che on the phone checking with one of his low-rider neighborhood bro's on what's the word on the street in regards to who was it who shot his son. You gotta remember Che has spent time in prison, lived a gangsta lifestyle back in his day and then was left to raise his son after the boys mother dies, which he does admirably so this really hits him hard, so perhaps the shooter's death was payback. Anyone else consider that possibility??
sharesal, your take on the situation never occurred to me. but from the perspective you lay out I can see that possibility.
I remember how sad/disturbed Che seemed during the street ceremony that commemorated the young man's death and the shots of the mother mourning and I thought Che was thinking how close he came to losing his own son to street violence.
The scene has him hanging around long after the ceremony was over and everyone had left and he is obviously sad or deep in thought about something. Could it be he gave the order to have the kid killed? That thought had never crossed my mind.
that is great insight into the movie you brought up. thanks.
This doesn't really fit with how the movie has set up Che, though. He's left the hard gangster lifestyle behind him for the most part, so him killing the kid or having him killed offscreen doesn't really fit with where he ends up at the end of the movie.
shareThis was the scene in which Che finally UNDERSTOOD...
At the memorial/shrine, Che observed the gang-banger's weeping mother. Initially puzzled, he slowly began to understand that, regardless of what her son did, he was still her son, her child, who she loved, unconditionally.
When Che was looking at the deceased gang-banger's pictures, I imagine that Che was thinking, essentially, "My son was never involved in gangs or violence; he is a good kid who is polite and smart...Why am I pushing him away, when there's a mother who wishes that she could hold her gang-banging child one more time?"
Personally, I was thinking about society and culture, specifically the Latino culture, would prefer a male to be violent rather than sensitive. (I think this is something Peter Bratt wants the audience to think about).
I just watched the movie last night and loved it. Harajuku hit the nail on the
head about che looking at that gang members mom and realizing what he'd done to his own son was wrong. Benjamin Bratt was great as expected, good cast over all.
I caught that too, Sal, barely, as I had to turn my volume up. But you'll also notice the guy on the phone is kind of blowing him off, too. He says they can't ID for sure who did it and kind of leaves it at that. Assuming that is a gangster he's talking to, it tells me that for whatever reason, they don't consider the shooting to be gang business, and are staying out of it. Because of course they know who did it.
shareOK so is that why he ran back to Lena and showed emotion after seeing the ceremony? Was it to show that he wasnt as violent as he seemed to be? But theres still some loop holes though because of threating Jesse's boyfriend at the hospital, so you can tell inside hes still got that angry gangster in him. Im sure Lena forgave him though after he opened up but still I was confused as well, and Im bad at interpreting movies or being deep with them.LOL.
I also think thats why he grabbed the dice and the Lowrider and went on the road, possibly to see his son at UCLA and hope to make up for loss time (i.e. missing the graduation, showing him the car, etc.). The shaving could be a symbolism too of taking off some things that were holding him down. But yeah I agree that realizing the gang banger's mom lost her son means he doesnt want to lose his, plus that seems like his only family.
Also I dont think he liked Jesse's bf either. Being that he was a preppy white guy and that Jesse wasnt dating I guess a masculine man kind of bothered him a bit. Frankly, I didnt care for the boyfriend either, he was too cliche gay guy.
Has anyone seen Quniceanera? Wouldnt it be cool if Carlos and Jessie got together?
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Che's own car was different from the one he headed to LA in. I think we're to assume he is taking the car to Jesse since he overhauled it just for him and always intended to give it to him.
Very macho men from Che's era and culture would not do well verbalizing their feelings. I believe the car and showing us Che's destination indicate Che's willingness to bend somewhat and some kind of reconciliation. I say "somewhat" because accepting Jesse fully as a homosexual is never going to be easy. They're still be uncomfortable patches for many, many years in their relationship.