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Black People in Ancient England


Is that historically accurate or were the producers following the recent fad. I was very surprised at the amount of black people they included in this series.

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People have argued that there would be Africans in Britain who came over with the Romans. It's worth noting though that these would have been North Africans who I'm reasonably sure are more ethnically similar to Middle-easterners than Sub-Saharan Africans. While Gwen and her father may be believable as North Africans, Elyan's more of stretch. I also think the percentages are at least a bit elevated.

But oh well, at the end of the day all you can do is roll your eyes, laugh at the irony of Gwen's name, suspend disbelief and move on.

There's also the fact that the language of the old religion is Old English even though Old English would have been very new English and very new to Britain at the time. Historical accuracy doesn't seem to have been something this show strove too hard for.

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Most North Africans would have been black back in Roman times

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I don't think the producers were trying to be historically accurate or follow a "recent fad" with the number of black actors they cast in this series. It was most likely a case of whom ever had the best reading for each part in the auditions.

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There are examples of African's in Medieval English art and also in the fossil record. There were also African's in ancient Rome.

There was travel between Europe and Africa. It's a fact.

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There are examples of African's in Medieval English art and also in the fossil record. There were also African's in ancient Rome.


I'm sorry but that doesn't make a lot of sense. Representations of Black characters in English medieval art does not in any way prove that there were Blacks in England. If it were, one would have to consider representations of lions, elephants, dragons and unicorns as proof that they existed in medieval England as well. As for fossil records... Fossils are mineralized remains from the distant past. Very, very distant. Medieval remains are not fossilized. I think what you mean is archaeological evidence. In that respect yes, there are a few traces of African (North African, not Subsaharan) people in medieval England. I am aware of only one: the Ipswish man (late 12th century). There might be others I don't know about.

Then again, as pointed out elsewhere on this thread, arcaeology and history are of no consequence to a fantasy show. You don't judge historical fiction in terms of how it handles fantasy, so why judge fantasy by how it handles history?

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Historically, there were certainly black Africans amongst Roman and post-Roman cultures, perhaps extending to the areas of modern day England. Most were either Moorish or Saracen (North Africans). What positions they held are less certain.

In Arthurian legend there were knights, usually described as Saracens, that were either black or North African/Arabic. Sir Morien and Sir Palomides are two, off the top of my head. They were usually portrayed as having started out 'savages and heathens', but over the course of the story they convert to Christianity and become knights of the Round Table.



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Morien was black

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Dragons in ancient England.

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There were those of African descent, in this case, black people in this time period. However, there were wizards, magic, mystical, creatures and dragons in Ancient England.

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...well there were also dragons, wyverns, witches, magic, giant murdering rats, etc... If you take that into regard then it's not that much of a stretch....I don't think they were going for historical accuracy. I for one didn't mind, but then again (in my opinion) the tv programs in the U.K aren't as harsh on black actors playing non black roles. In comparison, look at all of the horribly xenophobic comments the were posted about The Force Awakens (months before it even came out) because they released a photo of Finn in a stormtrooper's armor. Frankly, I was surprised they made Gwen black, but I ended up really liking how she played her character. Oh and one thing but spoilers







Didn't the only black knight (Sir Elyan) die? (most black characters usually do eat it eventually)

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