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Is there the Muslim equivalent of this movie?


I should imagine its quite easy to put together a movie like Fitna.

Can any fanatical Muslim out there put together an equivilent movie about a non Muslim country?

I would just like to hear both sides.

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We don't need an equivalent movie of Christianity,for example.You know why?Because Fitna is the kind of movie which was needed(and many more should come!) for the westerners to open their eyes for reality!And which reality am I talking about?Slowly immigrants who profess the religion of the Koran come to our LAIQUE countries and the more they come,the more they create conflicts between them and the local population.They say they are not trying to force anyone to accept their customs,beliefs,but reality proves us the contrary.Polls says that people would like to see sharia laws being applied in a place and so on.Examples are there to see!Only if you're blind to reality,then obviously you won't see what's the BIG problem coming ahead.
One thing I want to ask you: when a Christian goes to an Islamic tiranic country,can he express FREELY his religion?NO!Otherwise he's killed or submitted to torture or any kind of brutality.Even if he's not persecuted by the 'religious police',the community will harass him.We,westerns,we are open-minded people,but don't try to force on us something which goes against to our culture!!
So,if they don't want to accept any religions there(Hinduism,Buddhism,Baha'ism,Animism),except for Islam,why should we let this happen inside our borders?Please,give me a rational and coherent answer!

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"They say they are not trying to force anyone to accept their customs,beliefs,but reality proves us the contrary.Polls says that people would like to see sharia laws being applied in a place and so on."

Hey I can say that polls say that the American people want to start a holocaust. What does that prove if I can't provide a link to the poll?

"One thing I want to ask you: when a Christian goes to an Islamic tiranic country,can he express FREELY his religion?NO!Otherwise he's killed or submitted to torture or any kind of brutality.Even if he's not persecuted by the 'religious police',the community will harass him."

Have you ever BEEN to an Islamic country? I live in Malaysia which is an Islamic country and eventhough drinking and such is against the religion, there are many pubs, clubs and overall a pretty decent nightlife filled with non-Muslims and yes many westerners. Noone is persecuted for their religious beliefs. There are many churches and temples. Does that government think that non-Muslims are trying to take over? No. They believe you have a right to your beliefs as long as you don't cause trouble.

There are no conflicts between Muslims and non-Muslims apart from once in awhile, but those are more due to the race of the people rather than the religion and are politically motivated.

So stop making up bullsh*t because most Islamic countries won't prosecute you for your religious beliefs. Unless ofcourse you go to Iraq but that's because you are killing everyone there so don't mind them if they get a tad pissed.

The only people that are causing a problem are ignorant racists like you who can't tell the difference between extremists and the normal guy.

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I don't know about the person you addressed the questions to. But in fact I was in an Islamic country. Indonesia to be precise. On the very day of the Bali bombings (yes there were more than one coordinated attack). My company had our annual meeting at Bali this one particular year. We had already lost 36 employees in the 9/11 attacks exactly one year and one day before. And we thought we're "getting away" from it all.

Try emigrating to Australia now, my friend. If you are Muslim, you must first sign an oath of alligience to the "Sovereign State of Australia". If you are only visiting, expect to be severely scrutinized. Do you know why? Because Australia lost 88 vacationers in the Bali attacks. Innocent people with no political agenda. If you intend to immigrate, expect to have your application turned down and to be extradited to 1) Saudi Arabia. Or 2) Iraq.

Regardless of your Islamic country of origin!!!

The current Australian government at the beginning of June will no longer accept any visa or visitation permits from anyone with an Islamic sounding name (even if they are Christian). The back-lash has now begun. From a most unlikely source.

Wait until Germany finally wakes up. And she WILL, my friend. SHE WILL!!!

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The racist comment:

"...that's because YOU are killing everyone there so don't mind them if they get a tad pissed".

....and the typical phrase epitomising the gormless hipocrisy:

"The only people that are causing a problem are ignorant racists like you..."


So the expected trademark muslim hipocrisy and 'self-analysis issues' appeared pretty fast!

"YOU are killing everyone there". Classic. You probably didn't even feel racist when you grouped all westerners as the same (simply due to race/religion - it's fascinating to see the West referred to as 'the white people' on most arabic TV by the way), but islamic bigots never seem to have powers of self-analysis. You delivered this trait perfectly.
Not even the most racist westerner would be THAT racist. Jeez. It's as racist as slave trade reparations - 'those dead people of long ago had the same colour skin' (even though they the only people to ban it and were enslaved by africans first)....as the racist 'thinking' goes.
Regardless of the fact most iraqis have been killed by fellow iraqis/muslims (the media have given up reminding you of that, because you cannot reason with bigots and your delusion is deeeep), what have your peers invented as the reasons for westerners saving muslims from christians in Bosnia? Always wondered.

Anyway, to stoop to your level and your 'islamic' view of the world....
Why did YOU muslims (posting on here) blow up the two towers and kill thousands of innocent people in various bombings all over the world in the last few decades?
[The equivalent of your comment, but you regard it as normal. You see the problem here? probably not - the famous ignorance part. That felt crazy for me to say that, but to you it felt normal]

Personally, I don't see the benefit in worshipping a paedophile (Prophet Mohammed) as a 'perfect man'. That's also where we differ.

...And all your points have been addressed, destroyed and ridiculed time and time again in various media forms (not the info you read clearly!). Please stop churning out the same ignorance about levels of tolerance in the global communities. We know who takes all the moral high ground on that one (clue: it's not the islamic community)...it's becoming embarrassing to hear this from a human mind.

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There is a movie called "Schism" but it isn't very 'good'. You could just go watch the docu Jesus Camp and see the majority of what is in Schism, and then some.

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http://youtube.com/watch?v=jzRwxFJ99Dw
you can check this is out its my response for the film

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Sure there is. You'll see it when "Fitna" was going to play in your local multiplex. But unfortuately you won't be able to because the local Islamic radicals blew it up the evening before.

That will be your sought after "Islamic equilvalent response"! Shame too. Because that means that you won't be able to see "Iron Man" or "Speed Racer", either.

Oops! My bad. I guess I referring to the sequel "Fitna II".

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If more than half the book is dedicated to the opposition to violence then the rest of it is dedicated to committing violence?

This is sort of an all or nothing thing here. Is Islam opposed to violence or is it not? Mohammed seemed to think that it was not opposed to violence, considering he personally waged war on his enemies.

I'll go by Mohammed's interpretation rather than yours.

So, you respect all prophets? What about the ones that came after Mohammed? What about all of the stuff that all of the Prophets prior to Mohammed said in the Old and New Testament that contradicts all that Mohammed said? Do you respect that as well?

Or is it that the holy books of the Christians and Jews have been 'corrupted' and therefor all of that stuff that Jesus et al said has been changed and what Christians believe about Jesus is all a lie?

You seem to be woefully under educated about your own religion. There as an African sect of Muslims that believed in Free Will. They were wiped out by the rest of the Muslim world because of the heretical belief. No school of thought in Islam believes in free will. Islam teaches fatalism. Believing otherwise is heretical.

For the record 'we' can say anything we like about any racial or religious group or about their sexual orientation and not get in 'trouble'. People might not like you very much for calling someone a 'fag', but you will not get in trouble, legally. Islam isn't a race, so it isn't racist. It might be offensive, but you don't have a right to not be offended. No one does.


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Iam Legend. Firstly you state that YOU WERE TAUGHT the Koran. Are you able to read it? If so in what language? How much of it have you read?
In Your Koran Mahommed stated that "you are to believe in the book of the People and the Gospels. When he tried to get the Jews and the Christian to believe he was the messiah they reject him. He then declared that the Tanuch and the New Testament are "false" and have been altered. He then slaughtered all those that wouldn't come to believe in Islam.
Secondly NO WERE IN THE BIBLE DOES IT PROPHECY THAT MAHOMMAD IS A PROPHET. It Does on the other hand have more than anyone would require to Yeshua (Jesus) Being the Messiah. From His birth to His resurrection and all in between. There Is no prophecy on the complete life of Mohammad.
I could go on but this should suffice

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by - iam_legend

"This is racist to us Muslims"
muslims are not a race idiot

"Islam means peace"
everywhere i've looked it said "submission"

"I have enough knowledge of my religion "
dont look like it

Man made God, the reverse is a LIE

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the reason a lot of muslims will have you believe islam is a peaceful religion is because of the passages advocating civility.

HOWEVER
They also dont tell you (or more accurately, probably dont even know) that the more 'peaceful' passages were from the period Muhummad was in Mecca, living amoungst the Jewish tribes - and when his new religion was not established and more under threat. The more violent, war-like passages were from his exile in Medina when he was beginning his acedancy and assault on the Jewish tribes and Pagans.

AND
the later Suras in the Koran ALWAYS take precedence over the earlier ones (stated implicitly in the Koran no less) therefore the violent passages supersede the more civil ones.

Therefore, passages about 'respecting your fellow people of the book' are cancelled out by those advocating wholesale slaughter and that Jews are pigs and apes.

Thats it in a nutshell!

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Unfortunately it is not a part of Islamic character to misquote, distort, lie and conceal about a religious scripture in order to create a mass hatred against a religious group. However, there is a very good rebuttal video which exposes the lies that Wilders has concocted in his film Fitna.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DAerxKYipU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJCSVK7fn1g

Best regards

Arshie

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I agree completely with mrcooldude10.
It's very true that there are a few fanatical extremists out there who interpret Islam in the wrong way, half of whom are illiterate people and half are non-Muslims.
Most of Christians, Jews and Muslims are living with other in peace. Most of the Muslims are confused and worried about the corruptions being brought about by extremists.
Extremists have been here at all times, in all religions. Don't tell me you don't know about the guy who made a god out of a statue of a cow made from gold, when Moses went to get his Scripture, or laws from God.
So that is happening in Islam as well. There were extremists in the time of the Holy Prophet (PBUH) as well. They made excuses for not attending wars or not giving funds, or whatever. They weren't tortured on by the Prophet (PBUH) and his people, but in fact left on their own. The safety and authenticity of the religion depends on Allah and He'll do it in his own way.
We won't make a movie equivalent to this one, because we respect the other religions, unlike the people who made this movie.
They obviously had no respect for even their religion, since it's ther in the Bible as well, isn't it that a Prophet will come? Why then dont you believe in Muhammad (PBUH)?
The stuff they show in such movies are all lies. Though I haven't seen the movie, but I shall definitely try to get it, I know very well, that they won't show what's actually in our Holy Quran. Why? Because then all of you will convert into Muslims. I'm very confident about it. Try reading the Holy Quran yourself. You'll know what I'm talking about.
AND... Don't go about asking for "Koran". Ask from a Muslim living nearby to let you see the Holy Quran. It's not Koran or Furqan, whatever that was, it's Quran. Read it. You'll know the truth. Unless you're afraid of it.

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then From where an extremist Islamic action happens?
I have not found a muslim answering this question rationally. will you?

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