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Would you call it rape if the roles were reversed?

posted 13 years ago by zucchiniesinbikinies
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As a feminist I find it insulting that if a woman is really drunk and has sex she got raped but if a guy gets drunk and has sex he got lucky.

Of course I'm not talking passed out drunk - having sex with someone passed out? Does that not make anyone think of necrophilia? I just want to make it very clear that if you are having sex with someone and they pass out that is no question a time to stop, is anyone arguing otherwise?
I also want to make it clear that if either of the people involved purposely got the other drunk (and I don't necessarily mean force feeding them alcohol - some people can be very sneaky with this) I would most definitely consider it rape. Using alcohol over an illegal drug does not make it any less of a crime.

That being said, if both parties consent it should not be considered rape. If you want to say a woman is too intoxicated to properly consent to sex then the same should be said about a man.

There is a Simpson's quote for every situation in life.

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[–] joegod69 13 years ago

the joke in this movie is that seth rogan's character is completely delusional. he was not trying to get her drunk so he could take advantage of her, he thought she was behaving the way she did because she had fallen in love with him. it never occurs to him that she's just sleeping with him because she's intoxicated.

[–] zucchiniesinbikinies 13 years ago

If anything, it's that she is sleeping with someone who seems to be mentally ill.

There is a Simpson's quote for every situation in life.

[–] zucchiniesinbikinies 13 years ago

He didn't get her drunk in the movie, she did that herself.

Is it so far-fatched that a woman would get a guy drunk so he would sleep with her? Seriously?

There is a Simpson's quote for every situation in life.

[–] YourAgent 12 years ago

Yes. Yes it is.

I met Cinderella once... she's actually kind of a bitch.

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[–] blador-1 13 years ago

I don't think it's rape either way, and I don't care about any argument about how it might be according to some interpretation of somewhere's local law. People have used alcohol to facilitate interaction willingly probably for centuries, why do some people feel the need to make things so complicated?

And the movie was just pointing out how delusional the guy was, romanticizing a date like that. Like pretty much every other aspect of that movie, that scene was also an exaggeration.

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[–] zucchiniesinbikinies 13 years ago

I don't think you read my post properly... Or maybe I wasn't clear. I wasn't talking about the movie there, I was just trying to make it clear that I don't think having sex with someone who is passed out is ok. I know he stopped, that was part of my point - having sex with someone passed out is wrong and when he thought she was, he stopped - no one is arguing otherwise. My necrophilia comment is just my opinion of a situation of someone having sex with a person who is passed out - not on the scene in the movie.

And by the by, it was not very subtle at all - if anything it was an in-your-face joke.

There is a Simpson's quote for every situation in life.

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[–] zucchiniesinbikinies 13 years ago

Because I am discussing the scene in the movie and how I don't think this would even be an issue if the genders were reversed. I just threw in some of my own opinions of the subject so people wouldn't get the idea that I was pro-rape or something - is that not allowed?

There is a Simpson's quote for every situation in life.

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[–] zucchiniesinbikinies 13 years ago

That is not my point at all.

There is a Simpson's quote for every situation in life.

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[–] zucchiniesinbikinies 13 years ago

My point is that people are calling it rape because it's a drunk WOMAN.

There is a Simpson's quote for every situation in life.

[–] robzilla_73 13 years ago

bikin, lighten up!! u must be ugly or socially challenged.. lol!

[–] zucchiniesinbikinies 13 years ago

Umm... Ok?

There is a Simpson's quote for every situation in life.

[–] LaGringa 13 years ago

WOW! I just read through your conversation and it is "obvious" you are the one who is confused. The OP is providing an argument that the scene DOES NOT depict rape. The OP goes on to say that Ronnie doesn't desire to have sex with someone unwilling, which is often what a necrophiliac likes about having sex with a corpse. If someone likes having sex with someone unable to give consent, they make get just as much pleasure out of having sex with someone unconscious as they would having sex with a corpse.

This is just a clip from the Wikipedia page on Necrophilia:

"Rosman and Resnick (1989) reviewed information from 34 cases of necrophilia describing the individuals' motivations for their behaviors: these individuals reported the desire to possess an unresisting and unrejecting partner (68%), reunions with a romantic partner (21%), sexual attraction to corpses (15%), comfort or overcoming feelings of isolation (15%), or seeking self-esteem by expressing power over a homicide victim (12%).[2]"

So, yeah, having sex with a corpse and having sex with an unconscious person can be very similar (also think Kill Bill and having sex with a woman in a coma). Yeah, I would say a desire to express yourself sexually in those ways can all have an underlying motivation.

Having said all that, that wasn't even her point. It was just an off hand remark. I am dismayed by your reading comprehension, I hope you are younger than twelve...

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[–] DaytonaBob 13 years ago

It is rape no matter what if the person is not able to make a conscious decision regarding the act. Your wording is a little off. If a man gets drunk and can actually get it up while drunk and then gets laid, it's hardly the same thing as getting a woman drunk in the hopes she will either pass out so one can have their way with her (RAPE) or that she can't make an informed decision and one can still have their way with her (RAPE).

What I think you mean and that is just a guess, is that a woman would want to get a man drunk so she can do him? That doesn't really work that way because the man has to be able to get it up and it's not very often that can happen and even less so if he is drunk to the point of not quite knowing what is going on. Nonetheless it is still rape or an attempt at rape by the woman if he can't make an informed decision but more than likely he won't be able to do anything with it anyway because you just can't get hard when you are the drunk.

The thing is men are such pigs that if a woman really wants to do him unless she is so incredibly ugly to the point of breaking mirrors, all she has to do is make it clear she's ready to get it on.

But if I read you right, then yes it's still rape.

They who give up liberty to
obtain a temporary safety deserve
neither liberty or safety

[–] Seanny_Crow 13 years ago

You should watch Rescue Me

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[–] Message_deleted_by_Angus 13 years ago

hexmaster,
Anything to contribute to the thread or did you just show up to hurl gooey banalities? Failing to explain why he's a fetal biproduct just makes you look as dumb as the the ones he's calling idiots. And as much as I disagree with him, he can at least explain his opinions. Can you?
If not let me save you the trouble of coming up with an epitaph for me: I think "afterbirth" would be thematically in keeping with what you've come up with so far and it serves to layer the initial insult. If you can't come up with something better, I'll just go ahead and be insulted by my own suggestion on your behalf.

Quoting others in your signature is stupid!
-Someone smarter than me

[–] Thomas_Cruise_Mapother 12 years ago

Why would a guy consider it getting lucky if he was passed out when it happened?

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[–] KingCobra686 8 years ago

This is an easy question. Its not about gender, its about consent. If someone would say no if they were sober, but are too drunk to do so, it is rape. In general, more single guys than single girls are ok with hooking up with someone random.

Good luck getting good responses haha. Half will be super-feminists saying that hitting on a girl is rape, and the other half will be super creepy guys saying that girls just want to get raped.