Unbelievable to the very end...maybe Foxx should do "Ray-2 The Return of Great Zombie Piano Players". It would be more believable.
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yeah I thought..how can 1 man dig a tunnel under a prison (all by himself)and not be scene by anyone and questioned????
shareYou guys need to learn how to pay attention to movies. It took him 10 years to plan everything with millions of dollars at his disposal and a lifetime of experience in his field I'm pretty sure he drilled some tunnels under the solitary confinement cells.
share10 years when his wife/child only died maybe UP TO 3 years ago??? What would be his reason for researching a prison for the last 10 yrs???
Also, a bomb on a "razor"-thin cellphone??? When did the judge get away long enough for someone to even install it? You know how gals are with their phones nowadays...
1/10. I've seen Nick cartons more believable than this *beep*
Well, it did at one point say, "A decade later", but that doesn't make it any less ridiculous. You're gonna tell me nobody noticed all the noise you'd make digging through the concrete and then installing that huge locking system on the back of that toilet? Also, when all those cars blew up it was the middle of the day. How did nobody notice he'd been gone all morning? And where are the damn cameras! Not once was this guy ever picked up on a security camera?
shareThe cars all blew up at 6 in the morning...
sharethe noise issue could have been explained away if he had tunnelled 50 or so feet beneath the prison, but it was maybe 10 feet. Director is a *beep* for this alone. There are so many things logically wrong with this pile of garbage it makes me sick to think how many SHEEP thought it was WITTY. Clyde is so damn smart and 5 steps ahead of EVERYONE, yet he never bothered to install a security system to his property where he comes and goes at will, from PRISON, with a system to alert him when an intruder breaches it??? Director and writers are dumber than a cockroaches arsewhole but i am sure they think they are quite the intellects.
sharethats the thing have you ever done any digging. i have i dug a tunnel right under my own house and no one ever heard it. i dug it to build music room in my house. dug it about 10 feet bellow the ground my neighboors didnt hear nothing.
shareDepends on what you're digging into. That tunnel he dug looked like it was solid rock, and it was right underneath/beside a prison. The walls and foundations would have been made of solid concrete for this very reason alone.
Not sure what you were digging into (mainly earth maybe?), but if it was solid rock/concrete then either your neighbours are deaf, or they heard it but they never complained. And I'm pretty sure it wasn't as extensive as Clyde's lair.
This, in my opinion, was one of the dumbest things about this film, along with the fact that he was popping out of prison every now and then and NO ONE noticed.
We call this the Loom of Fate.
there was a guy in Europe who built an elaborate temple below his house the house was made on ground that was solid rock no one ever knew he was building it until one day someone noticed a lot of people coming and going and called the police
Your anecdotal evidence is completely irrefutable.
If you've studied any real prison breaks this is entirely plausible. Ground deafens out a ton of sound outside of blasting with explosives. I doubt Clyde dug that way though. There have been real prison breaks where guys have tunneled through rock to get out. Obviously nobody heard them then, and guarantee they didn't have the arsenal of tools a free man would have.
share@destinedsleep ...he never bothered to install a security system to his property where he comes and goes at will, from PRISON, with a system to alert him when an intruder breaches it???
Exactly, every time Nick or Dunnigan lifted the cover off something, I expected it to be some booby trap set up for trespassers. Or maybe the bomb-disposal robot would come out and start shooting at them. But instead, things just got stupid.
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I agree... the writers really botched the basics and expect us to believe Clyde didn't take simple precautions to protect himself... very disappointing.
The movie could have been a masterpiece with a better ending.
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The bomb cell phone is very possible. He didn't have to take her phone away, he would just have to get a phone that was the same make and model, put a bomb in, then switch it when she left it in the room or something.
shareI think he was kind of joking with the "...how gals are with their phones nowadays..." part, but assuming the switch took place I have to agree that a thin cell phone into a lethal weapon part does stretch credulity...but no more than normal for this movie .
I mean assuming it was a fully functional cell phone with same weight and appearance it is really hard to imagine having with-in the thin light casing sufficient explosive or gunpowder, a blasting cap or primer, sufficient electrical or mechanical charge, a projectile dense enough to penetrate a human skull and a tube or shaping material to focus the force of the projectile and give it velocity.
I mean assuming it was a fully functional cell phone with same weight and appearance it is really hard to imagine having with-in the thin light casing sufficient explosive or gunpowder, a blasting cap or primer, sufficient electrical or mechanical charge, a projectile dense enough to penetrate a human skull and a tube or shaping material to focus the force of the projectile and give it velocity.
laughably, laughably bdad movie. Can't believe anyone would think otherwise - it's an embarrassment to the movie industry. One for the actors to leave off their CV's I feel.
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after the trial, right after nick is in the press conference where the guy who cut the deal shakes his hand, the "ten years later" tag comes up at the bottom...
did you miss how nick suddenly went from having a pregnant wife, and no kids, to a ten year old daughter, and a non pregnant wife?
as for the cell phone bomb, he could have installed it before she ever recieved it. thats how he swapped out the chemicals for the lethal injection.
Have you actually thought about that theory? He obviously knows that the prison is going to order chemicals for lethal injection. How is he supposed to know that the judge is going to order a cell phone, as opposed to just buying one? How does he know which cell phone? How does he know when? How does he know where she'll order it from?
Seriously, man. That's a really stupid theory.
Not even possible? Anyone ever hear of the israeli mossad? They have done things like how this movie played out. Obviously, there were many more people involved. Which one person is how they wanted you to think.
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first off all he had planned it for 10 years fallowed them researched them figured out there shedules then made a quick swap of phones simply by finding out what phone she had built one with symtex in it cloned her number on to it made a quick swap.
and with a quick directional charge vwalla by the way a small peice of symtex in a cell phone would cause that phone to be one piece of shrappnul any focusing of said charg would cause who ever is using it to die. and who said it was a bomb it could have been a small bullet shell they never said bomb all you see is bang dead
First off, his wife and child DID die 10 years prior to Clydes first attack. He was waiting all that time for the execution of one of the offenders. Lending him time to plan the strategy, to kill the other guy, be sentenced to prison, so he bought up property enabling him to escape at will. 10 years is MORE than enough with his resources and therefore viable. The phone? What makes you think he didn't "clone" her phone and simply swap them out? I am no explosion expert but a blast that close to the head wouldn't take mnuch to kill a human. You should be more concerened with why Clyde, being as smart as he was, didn't seal his properties as to alert him when someone had entered them. Makes the ending totally unbelievable doesn't it?
sharethats the main problem i had with the movie
why in the hell did they even look up his property holdings they had no reason to.
and as for the property being seeled
they were he purchased them under dummy corporations. that experts traced back to him
So he knew exactly which prison, and exactly which cell he'd be placed in 10 years prior to his sentencing?! Really?!
shareDid you actually watch the movie? He only needed to be in solitary. He tunneled into every cell there.
That's why he killed his cell mate - so he would be moved to solitary.
You need to learn how to not suspend disbelief to crazy extremes:
There are so many ways that this plan could have failed, but some of the obvious ways:
What if the prison guards decided to cut up the steak so that the T-bone wasn't used as a weapon (prison guards are pretty good at working out what can be used as a weapon). I mean, if just that one thing had been removed he doesn't have a murder weapon. Sure, he could have done something else to get into solitary, but...
What if he'd been sent to a different prison... and apparently the type of prison he was sent to is incorrect for his level of incarceration (i.e. he wasn't found guilty at that stage).
What if the police thought it was somewhat strange having a demolition robot wandering around a cemetary?
What if the prison guards had done something extremely odd like check up on their prisoner in solitary. Did you know that death in solitary would be frowned upon?
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Also, why didn't the EMP shut down the very robot that fired it?
This movie makes no sense whatsoever. Absolutely ludicrous!
have you ever not heard of the great escape which is based on true events. its not like he had huge tunneling machines braught in. he did it over years
shareFunny thing is....prisoners have dug their way out of jail and no one's noticed...
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This movie was ridiculous.
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By the end of this stinker Gerard Butler could've unzipped a costume to reveal that he's an alien and I wouldn't have been the least bit surprised.
shareThe ending was a complete let down, that could have done something even simpler like oh let's say, the girl that his protege was in cahoots with Gerard Butler because she disagreed with Jame Fox's decision. Would have made a lot more sense if you ask me.
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The most ridiculous part of this movie was that the guy hadn't even been ARRAIGNED yet and he is in a prison! Only convicted people are sent to prison, not people that haven't even been formally charged yet. I don't care what this guy's previous job with the CIA was, he would not pull this crap off. He is responsible for the deaths of so many people while he is in solitary confinement and not once does anyone even bother to check on him while he is supposed to be in his cell? Solitary confinement is where the prisoner is in a cell alone, not left alone completely by the guards and never checked on. Nobody ever brought him food or water or came to let him out for his mandatory exercise period? God, this movie was beyond ridiculous. There is suspension of disbelief while watching a movie but this was on another level all together.
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but if hes a suspect and apparently a mastermind, wouldnt the guards keep an ekstra eye on him. i mean, if all of the attacks on the outside is related to him?
shareAgree this movie is ridiculous. But I spent a night in jail, and they didn't check on me once. I was in a cell all by my lonesome, it was even my responsibility to lock my own door after being told to go back in after breakfast. Didn't lock it and walked out to use the phone and got yelled at for it. And he was arraigned and while awaiting trial with no bail you would be in jail - not prison. I guess he just got lucky on picking which cell he would be put in.
shareWhere the hell you live? Mayberry?
Boston. in jail for basically the same reason though
shareHomocide?
shareI meant the same as the guy from mayberry as in it was drinking related
shareby - pcgiddings on Wed Feb 9 2011 06:53:50
I meant the same as the guy from mayberry as in it was drinking related
He was also in contempt of court guys
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actually they do not have manditory exersize time. that is only in movies i know some people who were in jail and infact the only time someone has to actually leave there cell is for meals if they dont want to they dont have to leave there cell. and in solitary confinement they eat in there cell.
shareI disagree. The most ridiculous part by far was him having a drug that completely paralyzes you "yet it leaves all other neurological functioning intact...it does nothing to block the pain". Haha, really?! It paralyzes all your muscles yet your circulatory and respiratory system still functions. You retain bladder and bowel control. You can still stand straight up on your leg muscles instead of collapsing to the ground. You can still hold up a gun. Yet you're "paralyzed"...and you still feel pain. Who came up with that one.
Oh, and then he manages to get a huge freakin automatic assault canon (or whatever that thing was) rolling around a graveyard on remote control unnoticed by anybody...
This is entirely my reaction to this film.
It's sad, because I think Gerard, Butler, and in fact the majority of the cast acted very well.
It's as if Brad Pitt starred in a Troma film.
The really scary part about this is that there were actual filmmakers who made these decisions, and that they will probably come back, like bad herpes, to put their foul taint into other potentially good movies. Bastards.
Unbelievable film.
A simply changing of prisons could have ended the entire movie, which in fact is what would have happened.
They would loaded him into a plane or helicopter and shipped him to a remote prison PDQ.
His CIA training would have had no effect on that.
Bad films are a crime against humanity.
Im not going to read this entire thread, i read first few and people said something about 3 years ago? it is "10 years later" and his little daughter is 10 years old, and in the beginning of the movie she is still in the womb.. So in 10 years will millions of dollars he could easily with his knowledge dig a HOLE! without being unseen...
shareAnd with that much time and money he could become a psychic and develop the ability to predict the future. The he'd know that in 10 years he's gonna be placed in a certain prison and a certain cell...
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This is basically what should have happened mid-way through this movie.
Governor: "This guy is assassinating everyone everyday connected with his family's murder and criminal trial. Yet he is killing everyone from inside his prison cell. Have you thought of a way to stop him yet?"
Nick Rice: "We have no idea how he is killing all of us from his prison cell. There doesn't seem to be any way to ever stop him".
Governor: "Why don't we have a prison guard continuously watch him?"
Nick Rice: "That might be crazy enough to work. I'll see if we can do that, hoefully it fits into the budget - with overtime ane everything."
Governor: "We could also try transferring him to another prison."
Nick Rice: "That's why they pay you the big bucks. Thank you so much."
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Nice post Gandhi
I also didn't read the entire thread. To me the whole issue is moot: how could he predict what cell he'd be placed in before he was arrested?
I had read bad reviews of this movie, but I was actually fairly engrossed in it until "the reveal" which really ruined my 2 hours :)
When they discover he's dug his way in, you can quite clearly see there are holes up to every solitary confinement cell. In fact, they look up at a couple of these before they spot the one with the ladder next to it, which is therefore the one he was in.
I'm not saying the whole film was close to plausible, but they did at least explain this bit!
In 10 years time he dug holes to every cell? And none of the other prisoners ever discovered it? He dug ALL those tunnels while studying and plotting and planning EVERYTHING with unheard of flawless accuracy down to a tee? And nobody EVER suspected, or heard, or noticed ANYTHING at all?! All those holes and tunnels and nothing sank or collapsed into them?
sharein ten years you can bild a stable tunnel and in ten years you can have a plan exacted to almost ALMOST every detail, if you spent ten years making a perfect plan, you would very nearly have one.
shareOne person by himself could not do all those things that flawlessly. By no stretch is that possible. How much time would it take to even learn how to dig stable tunnels? And how much time would it take to dig it all WITHOUT being noticed? Even if that was all he did it would be impossible. Adding all the other stuff he did and there is no way one person could do all those things.
shareThe point of the film is the fact that his wife and daughter s murder go free on technicalities ! Whether or not it is possible to do what Shelton did , who care! Concentrate rather what Nick did for his rating ! asking the sex of the angel does not help!
shareTen years is a long time, he could have planned while he drilled, dug it with a toothbrush and still had time to spare, it was less than 600 metres away for goodness sake.
shareNo, what I found utterly LOL funny, was, after all the death and mayhem, the mayor finally tells them to get him out of her town, by any means necessary, TOMORROW!!! she says, TOMORROW! uuhh...no, it should happen, like, now, perhaps?
shareIt's a movie. Do you know any movie to be that realistic? If movies were realistic...they'd be boring as hell.
shareYeah, and a guy buiding a metal exoskeleton and flying around the world fighting bad guys IS "remotely possible"?
If you want "possible", stick to chick flicks and documentaries, otherwise, look up 'suspension of disbelief' and grasp the concept of FICTION.
Oh yeah, might want to loosen that stick up yer bum, too, it would probably help.
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I'm reading some of these comments and I'm concerned.. Can you guys follow a movie?
Here are the facts:
It was assumed he had someone working for him outside. Therefore when in confinement was never checked up on.
10 years to build a 600m tunnel into EVERY confinement with unlimited resources - come on now, not that difficult. Shawshank? Remember? That was with a pickaxe
He killed someone with a bone to get sent to confinement as he was deemed dangerous. If you repeatedly stab someone in their neck with a bone, THEY WILL DIE.
He he can kill someone with a tie, you telling me he can't plant a bomb in a cellphone?
Remember these events don't necessarily had to have been done during his time in prison. You can plant those during the 10 year period, perhaps a month in advance, and activate it when in prison.
The only flaws are the no-alarm in the warehouse and the fact that nick killed him. But let's be honest they were done for moral reasons - bad guy can win.
Yes it was. For one think the Judge and Jamie Foxx'S character would have been removed from Butler's character's case case because of their participation in the first trial. The bit at the cemetary was an eye roller. These people had multiple levels of security and no one doing surveillance caught a roving robotic gun at a cemetery??
It was assumed he had someone working for him outside. Therefore when in confinement was never checked up on.
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