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Americans don't like to see a man perform oral sex on a woman?


What's going on here. It seems to me that we get a lot of films that are sexually explicit so I was surprised to read of Evan complaints in the newspaper. I really don't understand this. Did the MPAA actually 'cut' the scene or did they say it had to be taken out to get a certain rating, which is not the same thing.

All in all though it is very odd. I'm sure I've seen plenty of mainstream films in which oral sex is implied. It's not even if there are major health implications which would be the main consideration in the UK. I just wonder whether this is about gender roles in America. Are Americans not comfortable watching a man service a woman in such a way? Does it undermine the supposed authority of the American male?

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The MPAA just lists what rating they'll give it, with various notes about why. It's the filmmakers responsibility to cut it if they want a different rating.

The key word you mentioned is what the problem is: implied. Sex scenes that are implied have no problem getting an R or even a PG-13. It's when the filmmakers feel the need to directly show show the act, and in what way, that decides if it gets an R or NC-17. If her nether region is visible in some way (and I don't mean a direct porno shot) at the same time the actor's face makes contact with the skin, it isn't nudity anymore.

An example that's brought up a lot in this discussion, The Cooler, features an oral sex scene as well, where Maria Bello's crotch and pubic hair is on screen, and William H. Macy's mouth brushes past the pubes. She tried to say the problem it was due to her pubes. No, it was the fact that Macy made contact with them.

Male oral sex scenes get the same scrutiny, and a bit more actually. Generally all you need is an erect penis to get an NC-17. Any contact in a sexual context, forget it. For a male oral sex scene to be in an R, you don't see the penis AT ALL and it's obscured in some other way as well.


So, no, it's a bit more complex of an issue. The end comments have no factor at all.

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Don't confuse America with the MPAA. Many Americans have a lot of issues with the MPAA. They're controlled by the big studios and they have all kinds of double standards: sex vs. violence, controversial scenes in indie movies vs. controversial scenes in Hollywood movies, gay sex vs. straight sex. I'm not quite sure the issue here, but I think the MPAA are generally a bunch of cretins.

I guess my issue with the MPAA is that movie ratings are for kids PERIOD. There is absolutely no reason not to give any movie for ADULTS an "R" rating (or basically what would be an 18+ rating in other countries). If adults want to watch frickin' porno movies, they can because they're adults. They don't need movies "rated" for them. Yeah, a lot of it the commercial reality where theaters don't play and media outlets don't advertise unrated or NC-17 movies, but this wouldn't happen if the MPAA would simply rate everything that is not for kids "R" period.

I don't exactly buy the "sex is good and violence is bad" argument either, but it should be an absolute no-brainer whether we should worry more about KIDS being exposed to violence or ADULTS being exposed to graphic sex. Don't 99 percent of adults HAVE graphic sex?

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Don't you think someone should have the CHOICE of whether or not they want to watch graphic sex on screen? That's why we have "porn" and why we have regular movies. The ratings aren't just for kids. They're so you know what you're getting yourself into. I, personally, don't have an issue with racy stuff, but do think there needs to be a delineation between an adult film and a regular film.

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Wait so Evan Rachel wood complained it was cut.... or complained she WANTED it to be cut? Confused.


Also I agee that is so silly. There are movies with so much nudity and crazy sex scenes, that would have been tame in this one. There was already nudity----and their sex scene showed nudity---what on earth is bad about him going down on her and not even showing her hoo-ha? It wouldn't have to be shown. In Blue Valentine Ryan Gosling goes down on Michelle Williams, and it's suuuuuper hot but didn't feel like porn---nor was her hoo-ha ever shown. Strange.

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Now, let's be perfectly clear: when you say "hoo-ha", do you refer only to her tenderloins or do you mean the entire mossy grotto? And would the jujyfruit be included?

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You've really never heard "hoo-ha" as a cute/silly term for vagina? Dude, get out more.

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What you're talking about is vulva, not vagina. Besides, not everyone's mother tongue is English (there is Google, though).

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