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When would you have wrapped up the Red John storyline?


When do you guys think the Red John storyline should have been wrapped up? I remember during season's 4 and 5, every time I would read an article about the show online, there would be a ton of comments from people saying that they were sick and tired of Red John, and that they needed to just find him and move on. We all known that Bruno Heller was basically forced by Warner Brothers to wrap up the storyline early in season 6 and reboot the show, probably because they knew a lot of fans were getting sick of the RJ storyline.

So, when would you have ended Red John? Do you think they should have waited until the series finale no matter what? Should they have ended it after season 3 with Timothy Carter, and moved on? Or maybe ended it in the season 4 or 5 finale? What do you guy's think?

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The mystery of Red John is what got me hooked on the show in the first place and is also what kept me tuned in week after week.

So if they would have ended RJ following the death of Timothy Carter, I might have continued watching, but certainly with less enthusiasm and no doubt just one view per episode. (Instead of AT LEAST twice per episode). If we use the re-boot as a guideline as to whether I would have continued watching... I can confidently say I would NOT have continued to watch.

The anti-RJ comments you mentioned are interesting. In my opinion, the anti-RJ folks comprised a very small percentage of overall viewer numbers, but they voiced their dissent often enough to make it appear as if they were a growing majority. Think about it: would the "pro-RJ" viewers ever post their pro-RJ viewpoints? I sincerely doubt it. I mean, why would they need to do so? But when we read anti-RJ comments with no pro-RJ comments to balance them, it appears as if the anti-RJ group was much larger than it actually was. Again, just my opinion.

I think my opinion is reinforced by posters on this board who might have been "anti-RJ". Most of them have posted that, overall, they simply enjoyed the show, the "case-of-the-week", the actors, the writing, the direction, the 'Easter eggs', etc, etc. They have written that they weren't so much "anti-RJ" as they were "ambivalent-RJ". In other words, they could take or leave the search for RJ... if that was part of the show, it was part of the show.

But getting back to my thoughts about the 'anti-RJ' folks being in the minority, look at the RJ-centric episodes in Seasons 1-5... they were almost, across the board, more-highly rated than the non-RJ episodes, especially if CBS had the opportunity to advertise and promote the fact RJ (or RJ information, etc) would be featured in the upcoming episode. This tells me RJ was a draw for viewers, not a turn-off.





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I enjoyed pretty much everything about the show, the cast, characters, case of the week episodes, chemistry between the actors, etc. But my favorite thing about the show was the Red John storyline. The Red John episodes were definitely my favorite episodes. So, I think that catching, and ultimately killing Red John should have been the series finale. Especially if it would have been done right, it could have been an epic series finale.

Having said that, a part of me wonders if, because the RJ storyline went on so long, it caused Heller and the writers to kind of lose control of it. Heller always said that catching Red John would be the series finale, and if Warner Brothers hadn't interfered, I'm sure he would have stuck to that. By not knowing how long the show would stay on the air, and when the series finale would be, Heller had to keep prolonging the Red John storyline, and trying to keep it interesting without actually catching or revealing the identity of Red John. Maybe if they would have made the decision from the start to end the Red John storyline after 3 or 4 seasons, and they would have known exactly when the RJ endgame would be, they could have worked towards that and planned the storyline out better, and come up with a more satisfying storyline, and conclusion to the storyline.

The one thing I know for sure is that it undoubtedly should have been a season finale. You don't end a 5 plus season storyline in the 8th episode of a season, that was just stupid. Also, it must of been tough for the writers to have to put an end to the RJ storyline and then completely reboot the show the very next episode. If the writers would have had a whole summer to plan out the reboot, I believe they could have come up with something much better than what we initially saw in those first few FBI episodes in season 6.

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I think the ideal time to wrap up the RJ Storyline would be by mid-season five..everything was in place then for the reveal..Jane would have started working on his list of suspects and narrowed it down to some final suspects..We had enough backstory of RJ by then..such as his time on Visualize..How Jane had already met him before..how he had an entire association to do his bidding in order to evade capture..The ideal way to wrap up the storyline would be with Jane just a clue away from discovering Red Johns identity being suddenly kidnapped by RJ..Jane wakes up tied to a chair inside the room of his malibu house where RJ murdered his family and painted that smiley..RJ wearing the same disguise and mask he wore in his first meeting with Jane taunting Jane of how he would die without ever knowing who he is and Jane replying-I already know Partridge..

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When I began watching I continued on until the end. I would have continued until Red John was discovered because I know how long it takes to catch a serial killer. Sometimes it takes decades.

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I would have preferred wrapping up the Red John storyline towards the end of the series. I can understand why people were upset and were tired of that storyline during Season's 5 or so. I was too, since it dragged quite a bit and once Jane even shot the wrong guy and another time the viewer was led to think that Red John died in an explosion. But once that RJ storyline ended the series became lacking in momentum and did not have a focus point to hold the episodes together. The episodes then just became Jane solving individual (and often unrelated) cases. The series dragged on for a new reason - namely Lisbon's change of job and her relationship with Jane. Now they feel their relationship could hold together, and now they don't and that seems to drag on for ever ..... you know what I mean.

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Just realized today is the two year anniversary of the "Red John" episode, or as some around here like to call it the debacle episode. Can't believe it's already been two years since the episode first aired.

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Wow! Time flies after you've been "debacled".

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Someone captured video of me watching the reveal episode....

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season 1

red john was so annoying
I liked the whodunit episodes better

the idea that Obama/ bush etc. would let a serial killer
murder and mock the police is unbelieveable
he must have been America's most wanted after bin laden!!

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Although I have just started watching The Mentalist, catching it by purchasing the 7 seasons, I came across something that revealed who Red John is. It said that Red John wasn't decided upon until the halfway through the show. I think that was a grave mistake. They should have had someone already in mind, and then I think the character should have had a more recurring role of someone you trust and would have been in shock to discover. Since they didn't have that figured out, they couldn't tie together anyone and almost picked a name out of a hat. Then the shows originator had the audacity in an interview to excuse the blandness of who Red John turned out to be.

I think Red John probably would have best been left to the finale of the show. If the character had been better mapped out if wouldn't matter if the show lasted 5 years of 7. They could have wrapped him up in a short time. Since the originator of the series didn't have a clue for success, he failed. I will be catching up to that point soon. But I do think Jane should have been the one to end Red John's life. Not in a revenge scenario, but a self defense scenario that allows him the vengeance anyway. That way Jane never becomes a bad guy.

Red John was the and all of this show. "Red" was in everything. So to end his reign somewhere in the 5th takes away it's thunder throughout the rest of the years.

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You just summed up 8 years worth of frustrating posts for most of the members of this board.

Heller took one of the most epic television series in history and "debacled" it.

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Season 2. You Americans make way too many episodes!

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Timothy Carter. I thought that was a really good ending.

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I would have warped it up back when Patrick Jane played "rock paper sizzors" game with red john and after Red john looses he then shoots Patrick in cold blood!

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And the entire series would have ended after just 2 episodes!

I gotta say, it would have saved me a lot of time and effort!

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