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I thought she was a bit to bleak and killed the vibe of exploration. Was he trying to show how set in stone her beliefs were after such a short time on this Earth? What ever the reason was it didn't seem to me as though she matched the tone of the film.
I thought she was well-reasoned and insightful. I loved that a young girl could have more enlightenment about reality than most of the adults in the movie.
shareI agree with randy. I think the world would be a better place if more people thought like the little girl.
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<< I thought she was well-reasoned and insightful. I loved that a young girl could have more enlightenment about reality than most of the adults in the movie. >>
I agree!
I liked when she said, "There is no afterlife. I'm going to let you in on a little secret, there. There's no heaven, no hell, you die. Boom, dead. Like a blindfold on your eyes and you can't think any more. I think it's a lot better than eternal happiness, personally. A world with only happiness is a world with no point. And I'd feel like a puppet, I'd feel controlled. I can't feel pain? I can't feel anything but this happiness? I'd hate it."
A friend of mine once said, "Life is about the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly...and all in equal measure."
It's amazing that she's grasped that at so early an age. As someone else said in the movie, there are no permanantly happy people (unless they're incredibly simple minded.) A lot of life is about the pursuit of happiness, not necessarily the constant achievement of it.
I don't know. She sounded a little too condescending and scripted to me. Like it wasn't really HER speaking, rather something she was taught. Speaking in any absolutes, you sound like an idiot. Her saying her speech about the afterlife made her sound like an idiot, as if she was there before and came back to let all us unenlightened know. Thanks little girl!
shareLOL. As if the churches, Christianists, etc. don't sound "scripted," "condescending," and ultimately "idiotic"! (i.e., their threats that those who haven't accepted Jebus -- or whoever their poster boy is -- are destined for some eternal fiery pit.)
shareThat's why I said anyone who thinks in absolutes sound idiotic..because the afterlife is a mystery as of right now.unless you can enlighten us..and by the way..your not Homer Simpson.its "Jesus". Let's have an intelligent conversation.
share<< and by the way..your not Homer Simpson.its "Jesus". Let's have an intelligent conversation. >>
It's difficult to have an intelligent conversation about imaginary people. There's no evidence "jesus/Jebus" existed, so we can call "him/it" anything we want.
actually..Jesus did exist..it is historically proven. He lived from about 6bc to 27 ad. It's just the mythology of him that is put into question. And his name wasn't actually Jesus.It was Yeshua. So I guess you would call him YeBuah?
shareIt is not at all historically proven that "Jesus" existed. There are no contemporary records of people having heard of him or commented on him in that era. His supposed life, as well as most of the other events in the Bible, are a combination of myths that had already existed in previous cultures.
Again, there are NO witnesses to his life who wrote about it.
Contemporary records?! Do you know how many people were mucking around in Jesus's time and how little his ministry meant at that time? Let alone human error and poor record keeping. There were however two roman historians Tacitus and Josephus both wrote about Jesus who were alive in his time. Although the Gospels weren't written verbatim by MML&J, they are still considered to be overwhelming evidence of his existence. Even ancient Jewish historians have documented his existence. If anyone wanted to discredit his existence it would be Judaism. Your point of view belongs to a small group of historians more for shock value or for their own purposes like Ellen Johnson.
sharePlease go peddle your imaginary-friend-who-helps-you-feel-better-about-having-to-die-someday elsewhere.
There are many problems with citing both Tacitus + Josephus.
JOSEPHUS' Testamonium Flavianum uses Christian phrases and names Christ as Messiah. (And yet the author, the Jewish Josephus, refused to call anyone "messiah"). Plus, there are several versions of the Testiamonium of various ages, and they differ. The passage was missing from all versions into the 8th Century...so obviously it was added much later than Josephus' time. Origen reviewed it and states the passage does NOT call this figure the Messiah, which means the reference was added at a later date.
(Other discussions on the unreliability of citing Josephus on "Jesus" here: http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/josephus.html
TACITUS (supposedly) writes about "Jesus", but it's about 80 years after the alleged events. He also uses the word "procurator" when "prefect" was used in that time. He (supposedly) calls the person "Christ", which was only a name attributed to that figure much later. This supposed passage by Tacitus was apparently ignored for a milenium while early Christians were trying to come up with evidence as to the existence of a Jesus Christ. (i.e., it's a forgery invented to fulfill a need of the church.) But even if the passage WERE authentic, it would not be proof of a real person ("Jesus"), but only that there were stories and myths circulating about this figure.
See also: http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/tacitus.html
# 1- I'm agnostic. I don't believe in Jesus the myth. But I do believe based on the MAJORITY of historical evidence that he was a man who existed, met John the Baptist (please don't tell me he didn't exist), had a small group of followers and caused a disturbance in a temple for which he was arrested and put to death for.
#2- Your discrediting Josephus and Tacitus is only an interpretation. Just like other indications of Jesus's existence such as Suetonius and Pliny the younger.
#3- Whatever I say, you have your mind made up...and to turn it all back..you sound just like the little girl on the documentary. You got it all figured out and think that the rest of us are going around in a perplexed state of impending doom.
<< Whatever I say, you have your mind made up...you sound just like the little girl on the documentary. You got it all figured out >>
So, why would that not be said about you, again?
Because I never at once during this whole discussion made any absolute statements that weren't backed up by the majority of historians or scientists. If someone came out tomorrow with overwhelming evidence that Jesus did not exist, I would take that into consideration. As of right now the majority of evidence proves that he did exist. And I think that you owe an apology to any people who actually believe in Jesus for calling him an "imaginary little friend". You can have your own opinions but you don't have to be condescending.
shareWell, they do say we shouldn't discuss religion or politics, because people have very deep-rooted, emotional, and often irrational feelings about them.
If there are Christians here who get their feelings hurt for being mocked, or called on their beliefs, their own Bible says they are supposed to REJOICE in that very thing. Do not take that away from them. It's their "god's" "holy" word(s), and supposedly leads to their salvation (!!)
TO REVIEW:
Matthew 5:10 Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Matthew 5:11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.
Matthew 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
Matthew 10:22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.
Matthew 24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
Luke 21:17 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake.
Romans 12:14 Bless them which persecute you: bless, and curse not.
1 Corinthians 4:12 And labour, working with our own hands: being reviled, we bless; being persecuted, we suffer it:
Luke 6:22 Blessed are ye, when men shall hate you, and when they shall separate you from their company, and shall reproach you, and cast out your name as evil, for the Son of man's sake.
haha.good point...anyways,good discussion,I got to give this up cause its consuming my life.Plus I'm looking out the window and I think the lords coming...Bye!
shareBye, friend : )
I will see you when and if we are both left behind in THE RAPTURE. (There will be more cupcakes left over for us, then!)
Well, the whole point of the film that I took from it is that no one knows the meaning of life, what the afterlife holds, how we got here etc. So I don't think anybody needs to be "intimidated" by what anybody says/believes in the film. I didn't find the little girl intimidating or deadpan. On the other hand I found here to be like many junior high kids...self assured and egotistical (psychological theory approved statement). I think that society as a whole still has a lot of learning to do before we got it all figured out.
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the 7th grader was ridiculous and was obviously reading a script. if you watch the companion series/follow dvd series to this film, it becomes even more painfully obvious that she's reading a script. they had her brother on in the companion series too. my guess is that they are children of some financial backer or producer for this film and the director was forced to put them in... because they offered absolutely nothing of importance to the film aside from delivering lines that somebody wanted to say... but thought it'd sound more poignant coming from a child. i hate stuff like that. like the gay woman who put her kid up to telling michelle bachman there ain't nothing wrong with her mommy. how contrived. if you're an adult and you want to say something... say it.
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"I thought she was well-reasoned and insightful. I loved that a young girl could have more enlightenment about reality than most of the adults in the movie."
I agree with that. I think you are just offended because you don't agree with her views.
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So I get an email telling me that I have a response to an old post. I figure I'll check it out see if someone added something to the discussion.
Now I'm not sure who you (DaFrea-k on Sat Dec 17 2011 14:39:36) are claiming was offended. Please clarify.
To everyone else I say please go volunteer in some local youth group whether through your church or just going to a middle school and asking if they need volunteers for anything.
To say this-
"I thought she was well-reasoned and insightful."
Is to show that you have next to NO memory of what it was like to be in middle school. Or that you are unaware of what well-reasoned or insightful means. If you said that with a straight face in a normal conversation I would hope that you would use (much as I deplore them) air finger quotes.
I have had many peaceful, respectful debates with peoples of all religions whether western religion (judeo-christian, atheist etc) or east (Jain, Confucian etc) and agnostic.
I'd like to see a bit more of WHY and less of I'm smarter than you ya big boogerhead.
I wish there was a universal sarcasm font.
It was directed at you or anyone else that was offended by what she had to say. You felt the need to put her down and make a post about this... There are so many nutty people in this movie and then you start picking on this girl? One of the only people with a belief grounded in reality?
Volunteer work is great but try to avoid the church. The church itself doesn't help people, people help people. The church hates, discriminates and even indirectly causes the death of people. Don't support such evil organizations. The church uses your money for churches and priests. Give it to organizations that know what they are doing, not to a bunch of people who will pray for something to happen. You should join non religious volunteer organizations because the religious ones always have a hidden agenda.
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