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I am sorry but does anyone have a problem with the review of this movie

posted 14 years ago by hobos_live_forever
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"Denis Villeneuve is a bystander who fails to show the real workings from behind the scenes and adheres firmly to political correctness to avoid an uproar by feminist hate groups. When bullies pick on loners in schools, they pay the price when the loner gets a weapon and hurts those girls who tormented him. A gang of girl bullies cornered and killed an Indian girl not too long ago. The world gets to see inside the minds of those involved, and pick out who is responsible for what part of the process that led to such a tragedy. Polytechnique avoids all of that. In fact, it is just an exercise in panning the camera about and never digging into the facts that is expected from a movie. It never goes beyond the information already provided by the news media, and even tells us less than what we already know. There was nothing gained by shooting it in Black and White, other than to give an amateur false sense of newsworthy material. It never mentions the Disturbing Misandrist Quebec society that fosters extreme Feminist hate, and discrimination via Affirmative Action. The misandry is systemic and is completely entrenched in the education system which leads to more sexist misandrist hate and discrimination against men.

Marc was the victim of intense hate and discrimination because Misandrist hate is so ingrained in Quebec society that everyone, including young girls, think that it is acceptable to hate and abuse men because men do not have the political voice to cry out when they are victimized and oppressed. There is not a single men's shelter in Canada and men are not recognized as victims under the current gender-biased sexist Feminist laws. At some point when the misandry is just too much to bear, the abused man will lash out and strike out against the feminist abusers to defend himself. Marc's pain and suffering was not recognized, and his feminist abusers were not exposed so they will be free to continue their abuse and discrimination under the protection of the feminist misandrist laws. Men are not allowed to be victims, but must be held responsible. Girls are given absolute rights but are not required to be held accountable. Only girls get to hold the Victim Card.

No one is allowed to speak out against the misandrist feminist tyranny without being silenced under such an oppressive Marxist regime. Larry Summers made such a mistake by speaking out, and he was silenced. Now Harvard University falls victim to the Feminist Communist oppression. Warning, you will walk away with the feeling that the movie was heavily censored and was an amateur attempt to evoke emotions, without providing known explanations for the misandrist backlash because of intense fear of political subterfuge from Feminist hate groups. The misandrist truth is far too disturbing for the public to fathom. 20 years later, and the disturbing feminist misandrist rampage has spread to little boys in elementary school. Only 32% of university students this year are men. The circle of feminist misandrist hate is now complete. "

I understand what the author of this review is attempting to say, but is just me or is this review a little unfair to women. The women who were shot had nothing to do with Marc's problems. Marc was abused by his father.

[–] prettyh 14 years ago

That review is...disturbing. Full of the rhetoric that showed itself in Lepine's suicide note.

I think the reviewer missed the point of the film, too - had it been a movie about Lepine, then yes, we would expect to see what was around him that drove him to murder those students. But that's not what the film is about. It's about December 6th, 1989, and what took place that left 14 women dead and another 14 people wounded.

While the review is well within the "freedom of speech" bracket (and not "hate speech"), I've gotta say that it's more than a little creepy to read something that full of anger and hatred. I'm sure its writer thought that s/he was giving IMDb users a reality check of sorts, but it all just comes off as the same train of thought that led to the massacre in the first place. Scary.

~ http://prettyh.blogspot.com/ ~

[–] s-a-mcpherson 14 years ago

You're worried about the review being unfair to women? What about the film being unfair to men, including Marc Lepine, and to anyone who has had to put up with bullying women or with any man or woman from the middle classes who will resort to any tactics to maintain their place in society, while destroying people who get in their way? This is my website on the Montreal Massacre. I started to see how vile feminists, and just ordinary women can be, and realized it was highly likely Marc Lepine experienced something like that. As the review suggests, girls and women are not beyond ganging up women or girls who are alone and vulnerable. http://montrealmassacre.homestead.com/index.html .

[–] prettyh 14 years ago

I don't disagree with you - people can be horrible, whether they're men or women. Girls do have a particular brand of nastiness and bullying that can and has driven their peers to do awful things (such as the recent rash of young suicides in the U.S.). Men can be evil, and their misdeeds have long been recorded and exploited etc., while the sick things that women can do (I'm thinking Karla Homolka here, just as an example) seem to have more defenders - that's absolutely true in my experience. And I'm of the mind that any radical - including feminists - can be frightening, and driven to skew perceptions to their favour at whatever cost.

My feeling about that particular review still stands - I realize "tone" doesn't always come across well online, but the way I read it (and the important word there is "I"; not everyone has to agree with me or even understand what I'm seeing in it that makes me uncomfortable), the reviewer came off as vitriolic and making more points about the occurrences on that day than about the film in question.

If there isn't one already, I'd actually like to see a film that tells the story of that day, and what led up to it, from Lepine's perspective. I'm not as angrily one-sided as that review comes off; I recognize the multiple sides of every story & see the value in Polytechnique just as I would a film that takes a different POV.

And thanks for your link - I'll be checking it out.

~ http://prettyh.blogspot.com/ ~

[–] afrikanspook 14 years ago

Fantastic and accurate review that is both astute and refreshing because it is based on the real world. Reviews like that should be the rule instead of the exception. So many sheep are afraid to speak out against the feminist hate politics. Feminists making policy for everyone, without any input from men, but only with an agenda to give women preferential treatment at the expense of men cannot be about equality, but the sheep will believe it.

[–] andell 14 years ago

I have to admit, I'm not so much disturbed by the first review in this thread, although as others have stated, it's not so much a review of the movie as a review of the actual event itself. Just so that we are clear, I do believe that Marc Lepine was a misogynist, and that his crime was an example of misogyny.

However what always disturbed me about the Montreal Massacre is that it has been largely reported as having impacted women alone. No doubt it is due in large part to Lepine evicting the male students from the classroom before he gunned down the first of his victims, all female students.

This was a crime, and it was a crime that was not only against women! Four men were also shot in Lepine's shooting spree. And, if women collectively felt like they had been attacked, how does this compare to the young men whose lives were no doubt jolted from their peaceful innocence by Lepine's actions? All of these men have largely been forgotten: how is that in any way fair?

The Montreal Massacre is memorialized to remember female victims of crime in Canada, but frankly I think that sends the wrong message: is an innocent male less important because of his gender? And if that is the case, how does it not betray a passive misandry in society?

I remember watching "Canada: A People's History," and seeing how media reports about this horrific crime quickly seemed to degenerate into inferences that men were just too violent, and how with impunity, women seemed to have no problem questioning whether men by nature were misogynist killers! At the time, I could understand the views, though I certainly hope that, with time, they have all been recanted! It's hard to say however: in 2006 I believe it was, a group of female Canadian Professors put together a book called "Remembering Women Murdered by Men."

This brings me to my views on "Polytechnique." Frankly, I found the film very hard to watch...but I also consider it very important for representing a more complete view of the tragedy than Canadians and others have been given about this crime.

In one scene, you see Lepine shoot a male student; in another, you see a male student, in the aftermath, attempting to take his life: for all intents and purposes, the inference is made that he is successful..as there is no one there to intervene to save him! Speaking from a male perspective, what more could we ask for in a more universal association of the tragedy of that horrific crime?

The Montreal Massacre remains an event that will almost always be framed in the view of a horrific crime perpetrated by a misogynist against women. However the Director of "Polytechnique" is deserving of praise if for no other reason than reminding everyone of the destructive nature of hate and mental illness, and for shining a light on the male suffering that was accompanied with this action that was largely against women!

[–] andell 14 years ago

"What about the film being unfair to men, including Marc Lepine, and to anyone who has had to put up with bullying women or with any man or woman from the middle classes who will resort to any tactics to maintain their place in society, while destroying people who get in their way?"

In what way was this film "unfair to men?" If anything, it shone a light on the fact that men too were victims of Lepine!

Whether we're thinking about the man who Lepine shoots in one scene, or tragic young man who takes his own life following the events of the Montreal Massacre, the film has taken pains to reflect that there were male victims as well.

Now when you say the film was "unfair to men," are you buying into Marc Lepine's baloney? Because the reality is that what Lepine did WASN'T directed against feminists: it was directed against women! He compiled his list of feminists that he wanted to murder, however he didn't carry out THOSE killings...he instead shot and killed women for no other reason than they were women!

"I started to see how vile feminists, and just ordinary women can be, and realized it was highly likely Marc Lepine experienced something like that. As the review suggests, girls and women are not beyond ganging up women or girls who are alone and vulnerable."

Okay, so let me understand this: you are painting feminists and "ordinary women" with the same brush, whilst at the same time vindicating Marc Lepine as if he's a victim?

Are you saying the women who were at the Ecole Polytechnique that day deserved to die for no crime besides the fact that they were women? If you are not saying that, then stop rallying around Marc Lepine...because he was a mentally ill spree killer that empowered those "feminists" that you both seem to hate so much.

And he's also responsible for marginalizing you!

[–] TaRaNRoD (1579) 6 years ago

Hmmm... You do know op was quoting someone else's review, right?

[–] Nicko's Nose (1651) 6 years ago

That person will probably never see your post.

[–] TaRaNRoD (1579) 6 years ago

But you've seen it, so I got that going for me, which is nice.

[–] oft_I_am 14 years ago

What about the film being unfair to men, including Marc Lepine

The man shot fourteen women dead. The moment he or any other person does that to anyone else in our civilized society, they lose the right to sympathy and understanding. When you are faced with perceived odds like Marc was, you do not shoot innocent people. That is like shooting a clerk that was rude. The reaction is unquestionably unreasonable and wrong and so are you for trying to justify it.

if you cannot understand that, then perhaps you ought to re-evaluate your own life and priorities. This isn't about feminism, it is about cold-blooded murder, plain and simple. You're a sick individual if you cannot understand that, and that being the case, I feel nothing but pity and contempt for you and all people like you.

$§ "You don't win. You just do a little better each time." ~o~

[–] Aziza294 14 years ago

Feminists promote hate against men. The moment Feminists or Manginas does that to anyone in our civilized society, they lose the right to sympathy and understanding. When you are faced with perceived odds like Marc was, you become a hero for taking justice into your own hands. That is not like shooting a clerk that was rude. You are wiping out organized hate. The reaction is unquestionably reasonable and right and so are you for trying to justify it.

If you cannot understand that, then perhaps you ought to re-evaluate your own life and priorities. This is all about standing up against feminist hate; it is not about cold-blooded murder, plain and simple. You're a sick individual if you cannot understand that, and that being the case, I feel nothing but pity and contempt for you and all people like you.

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[–] angloo 13 years ago

When women start refusing alimony, child support payments, and release sperm donors from any responsibility regarding the offspring they want but the man does not, maybe I will believe they are for equality. They want rights and money but no responsibility. I have seen this first-hand.
I am no longer a feminist because of this mindset.

[–] hellkern 12 years ago

Does nobody know the definition of feminism anymore? It's about equality.

not since the second wave.

Suck it monkeys, I’m going corporate!!!

[–] cinesimon 13 years ago

Yes, it is we, who cannot see the feminist marxist new world order nazi regime attacking you self-described freedom lovers of virtue and truthiness who have a problem.
What are you, ten years old?
Read your own pathetic words, clown.

[–] jtf1986 8 years ago

Yeah, women taking engineering classes "organized hate... somehow. I hope this poster isn't such a jackass five and half years after making such a stupid post.

[–] cinesimon 13 years ago

In other words, you never bothered to watch the film.
Grow up little mister ignorant.

[–] jtf1986 8 years ago

Poor mass murderer. The movie was just so unfair to him!

[–] gamervivek 14 years ago

"I understand what the author of this review is attempting to say, but is just me or is this review a little unfair to women."

He didn't even mention women once, how's it unfair to women?

"Marc was abused by his father."

And so he went out to kill women? Why not kill his father or other fathers who abused their kids? He was not stupid.

"It's about December 6th, 1989, and what took place that left 14 women dead and another 14 people wounded."

So holocaust movies have nothing against Nazis?
Movies like Monster can be made that show the workings of a woman that killed men and get an Oscar for the role.
He didn't miss the point, he pointed out why the movie missed the point.

"While the review is well within the "freedom of speech" bracket (and not "hate speech"), I've gotta say that it's more than a little creepy to read something that full of anger and hatred. "

There is no hatred in there for anyone, if anything he is speaking against misandry, the hatred of men, a word still not recognised by many spell checkers(including this one) much less with a common usage.

"but it all just comes off as the same train of thought that led to the massacre in the first place."

Any train of thought can lead to a massacre.Nothing scary about it.

Misandry is rampant in most feminist societies yet speaking out against it straightaway makes you an anti-feminist, and hence a misogynist.
Claiming that it's simply rhetoric is being ignorant.

[–] Designer_Montreal 14 years ago

I was working late downtown Montreal when this happened.

I was pissed-off that traffic was snarled.

It further pissed me off when I found out what happened, as I was working in engineering at the time.

This film raises all sorts of questions.

I still do not understand how one man could not have been taken down in such close proximity. My guess is that the victims were completely unprepared to react.

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[–] Pilatunes 14 years ago

Yes, I'd say that review was a bit disturbing. There's a fine line between trying to understand a murderer's motivations and being sympathetic to them and this review definitely crosses that line.

[–] TaRaNRoD (1579) 6 years ago

Not really... At least way less than people here seem to think.

[–] oilgun 13 years ago

I'm certainly disturbed by the review and also by the hateful comments on this thread. Marc Lepine killed himself but it seems there are others willing to continue his mission. I have to take a shower now...

[–] hobos_live_forever 13 years ago

funny you should comment about this today.

[–] oilgun 13 years ago

I've owned the DVD since it was released but could never get up the nerve to watch it because of the subject matter. The anniversary of the massacre seemed like an appropriate time to finally do it and get it over with. I was so affected by the film that I came here to comment but instead I was turned off by the hateful vitriol of some of the posts. Then I remembered that this is IMDb after all, so what was I expecting, intelligent discussion?

[–] timothymaton 13 years ago

I do. I just signed into my account to see if I could mark it as offensive. It is totally inappropriate.

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[–] zznoory 10 years ago

typical MRAs that hate feminists and hold extreme grudges against women. I have not met a single feminist that promotes hate and violence. Only MRAs do, that and spread lies all over the internet and people actually believe this delusional *beep* Feminist women run the world? Wow, seems like quite the opposite to me, ya know, in reality. You'd think that if that were true, we'd have a lot less feminists. These guys can keep dreaming of the 1950s but that *beep* is over. We're getting progressive. We won't put up with hate and violence anymore. Get over it.

[–] TaRaNRoD (1579) 6 years ago

"but is just me or is this review a little unfair to women."

The world is not a fair place. I definitely don't agree with the author when he says that Marc was the victim. But as extreme he might sound, he does have a point somehow...