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just an angry/boring feminist film


we learn nothing about Lepine, just that he ate a bowl of cereal and decided
to kill women that day.

So...is the cereal to blame?

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I felt this way. In the end the film didn't really end up saying anything. We didn't know about his motives or what pushed him or why he hated women or even if he did hate women or anything about his personal life.

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Not true.

At the end the survivor woman says:

-if I give birth to a girl I'll teach her the world belongs to her.

-if I give birth to a boy I'll teach him to love.

So it's implied men hate women (and maybe everyone) and oppress them. The man is bad, he's the aggressor, the woman is good and she's an innocent victim.

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That woman has learned nothing. Hate is a part of love (this guy didn't target women because he was gay) and giving women priority of course makes them a target (this guy wanted to kill himself because he was not respected by women)

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That's correct. Actually violence is part of everyday life, without it the world wouldn't exist let alone relationships.

The problem arises when violence takes extreme forms such as a bodily harm.

Most humans don't realize this simple fact.


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In response to the above posts.

Pseudoephedrine:

we learn nothing about Lepine, just that he ate a bowl of cereal and decided
to kill women that day.

turkeyprophet:
I felt this way. In the end the film didn't really end up saying anything. We didn't know about his motives or what pushed him or why he hated women or even if he did hate women or anything about his personal life.

We, as viewers, don't need to know anything else about the killer. This film is about how the lives of the victims was effected by this killer. The only thing that's needed to know about the killer is that he hated feminists and that he was insane.

cthulhulurks:
At the end the survivor woman says:

-if I give birth to a girl I'll teach her the world belongs to her.

-if I give birth to a boy I'll teach him to love.

So it's implied men hate women (and maybe everyone) and oppress them. The man is bad, he's the aggressor, the woman is good and she's an innocent victim.

That's quite an extreme conclusion to draw from this film, considering that not every man in the film was shown to hate women. I interpret those lines that are quoted as: if the baby's a girl, she'll be raised to not let herself be discriminated against due to her gender; if the baby's a boy, he'll be raised to not grow up to have similar views as the person who has caused Valérie so much harm, the killer.

timlin-4:
That woman has learned nothing. Hate is a part of love (this guy didn't target women because he was gay) and giving women priority of course makes them a target (this guy wanted to kill himself because he was not respected by women)

I would like you, timlin-4, to clarify and explain this comment further as it is a bit confusing. I assume that you're implying that the killer "did it" because he loved women so much and he had grown too frustrated with that love not being reciprocated (?). If I'm write in assuming that, I would argue that he didn't love Women, he believed that were inferior to men and that they should have treated him with a certain privilege.
Again, I would like some clarification on your post, timlin-4.

cthulhulurks:
That's correct. Actually violence is part of everyday life, without it the world wouldn't exist let alone relationships.

The problem arises when violence takes extreme forms such as a bodily harm.

Most humans don't realize this simple fact.

Definition of violence: rough or injurious physical force, action, or treatment - e.g. to die by violence.
Source: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/violence
The definition of violence is what you call an extreme from violence, which you have referred to as problematic.
So therefore, violence is a problematic part of everyday life.

Anger can be part of everyday life, violence never Has to be part of everyday life.
The world can, and would, continue to exist without violence.


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Does your account name suggest you're a fan of a certain musician?

I think 'violence' is a much broader term than your dictionary suggests. I'm not however writing an essay for a women studies course so I don't want to elaborate.

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Does your account name suggest you're a fan of a certain musician?

I think 'violence' is a much broader term than your dictionary suggests. I'm not however writing an essay for a women studies course so I don't want to elaborate.

No, my account name is a reference to a Jacques Rivette film.

And there's what you think, and then there's what is.

Here are all the given definitions for Violence from dictionary.com:
1.
swift and intense force:
"the violence of a storm."
2.
rough or injurious physical force, action, or treatment:
"to die by violence."
3.
an unjust or unwarranted exertion of force or power, as against rights or laws:
"to take over a government by violence."
4.
a violent act or proceeding.
5.
rough or immoderate vehemence, as of feeling or language:
"the violence of his hatred."
6.
damage through distortion or unwarranted alteration:
"to do editorial violence to a text."

These definitions either refer to direct physical harm, or aren't directly related this discussion

When what you think a definition of a word is contradicts with a source as reputable as dictionary.com, then odds are your thoughts are wrong.

And you don't need to be "writing an essay for a women studies course" to back up your opinion.

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"And you don't need to be "writing an essay for a women studies course" to back up your opinion."

Well, it's not if he owed you shit.

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agreed

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