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this show is so pro Trump.


It shows the deep state in action.

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How does that make it pro-Trump, because the show paints the government and large corporations as ruthless and corrupt? That isn't necessarily pro-Trump, it is just reality. Trump just pointed it out, and they tried to destroy him for it.

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Bingo

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Exactly!

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sorry what?
Trump pointed out that the government and large corporations as ruthless and corrupt and they tried to destroy him for it?
When was that?
oh wait, you mean when the press called him out on his constant stream of lying?

I certainly dont remember trump ever having a bad word to say about the business practices of non media big corporations , ie the ones not affecting HIM specifically.

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Keep in mind that Homelander is the villain. It is mockery, not support, but what do you expect from Hollywood loons.

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When was that?! Are you serious? All four years of his entire term was spent doing that. The man couldn't even breathe without CNN on his back. Were you living under a rock?

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No one tried to take down Trump because he pointed out the corruption of government and corporations. Trump actively fed that corruption. He campaigned on "drain the swamp", but what he actually did was the exact opposite.

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Did you ever consider the swamp resisted being drained?

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What does that have to do with filling it up with even more swamp creatures? No drainage attempts were made.

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>The man couldn't even breathe without CNN on his back.

Seriously! Bunch of lefty liberal A-holes, always calling him out on his bullshit lies. Mind your own business, bleeding heart hippy fags!

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You being unaware of facts dont chamge facts. I suspect there is a lot you aren't aware of.

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are you aware of trump ever pointing out a compamny being ruthless and corrupt?

Obvioulsy this does not imclude newspapers reporting facts and him calling it "fake news"
or other imaginary slightings that are all about him.

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Yes, he constantly went after the IRS and pointed out it's corruption.

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Bro . . . he hated the IRS and did everything he could to to hinder them because he didn't want the IRS to release his tax returns and he knew that he had escaped audits. He knew he was going to be revealed as a horrible business man and that he owes the federal government more than $100 million!

How did you now 'get' that?

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Lol, he was trying to get broad IRS reform, not just trying to make a law preventing them from releasing his tax returns, for fucks sake. Not to mention he said all of this before he was even president. swing and a miss bro.

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Uh yeaahhh, he was against the IRS before he was president . . .BECAUSE he had already defrauded the government. Do you really think he was going after the IRS for YOU? 2011 He didn't pay anything as in not one cent, and then said to the public that lower-income Americans should have to pay taxes to ‘be a part of the game’ and said he paid ‘a lot’. He has a long history of not paying taxes and then paying a tiny bit and bitching about it. He's a piece of shit man, stop defending him.

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🤣 If he had a long history of not paying taxes due, don't you suppose the IRS would have done something about that by now?

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Why don't you try and Google that?

Seriously, Google it. I thought everyone was aware of this.

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You can't google and find something that doesn't exist. Again, if he didn't pay due taxes, he'd be in prison for tax fraud, wouldn't he. Maybe you should try getting your news from someplace besides a fucking meme. Show me anything that shows he has not paid taxes he owes. I'll wait...

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If you'd Google it you could get that information from several different sources. You obviously aren't going to believe what I say so I was hoping you'd find one that you trust.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/10/15/pushed-taxes-town-hall-trump-acknowledges-400-million-debt/3673873001/

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/trump-tax-returns-new-york-times-debt-deutsche-bank-irs-1067422/

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Read these first dipshit!😅 This is not tax dollars he owes, it's independent debts. Lol, thank you for actually proving my point you dumb fuck.🤣😂😅

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Jesus Christ, that's why I told you to look it up yourself. Like you are going to believe anything I have to say.

https://www.npr.org/2023/01/13/1148379013/the-trump-organization-has-been-ordered-to-pay-1-61-million-for-tax-fraud

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🤣 Dude, you're a glutten for punishment, and you just keep adding to it. Don't get cunty with me because you're too stupid to post shit without reading it. You exemplify perfectly the outraged ignorant left that just repeats what they hear without actually knowing any real facts. AGAIN , you posted an article without reading it, and I'm going to educate you one more time, but you could just maybe read the shit you cite first and avoid looking like a complete fucking idiot. This is a line from the very last article you posted, since you can't read shit for yourself. It's very short and to the point. I suspect even you can comprehend this, but I won't hold my breath.🤣

"Trump himself was not charged"

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Of COURSE it's his business that owes the money! That's how he did the tax fraud . . .through his company. Why do I have to spell that out?

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Lol, lots of people work for him, that doesn't make him responsible for their actions. Now you're just playing dumb to cover for being a fucking idiot. If Trump were responsible, he'd have been charged, you stupid cunt.🤣

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Why are you such a jerk? Look at how you talk to people. It doesn't matter what you believe if you are just an awful person.

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Lol, attack the messenger when you don't like the message. This is exactly why I come at liberals like this, because you're all full of shit and will argue nonstop despite facts showing they are wring. It's about facts, not belief. Something you can't seem to grasp.

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You come off extremely insecure. Of course it's about facts, it's a fact that Trump didn't pay income tax for 10 out of 15 years before the 2016 election. It is a FACT that his company defrauded the government.

Now throw another tantrum, it amuses me.

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So much for your feigned civility. 🤣 You just can't help but be full of shit, can you?

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I'M being uncivil? You're pretty thin skinned for someone whose called me a fucking idiot in every response.

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I never claimed to be civil to disingenuous, uninformed, false information spreading, leftist fucking idiots. Hope that clears up your confusion. And now that I've shown you are completely wrong multiple times, you don't even defend your lies anymore, you've just started coming at me. Fucking lefty clowns, I swear. You may fuck off now. I've successfully proven you to be wrong multiple times, and I'm good with wasting time on your dumb ass.

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The government defrauds us, everyone of us. It gets 50% of my income, and FOR WHAT??

Don't be that dense.

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50%?.......🤣 You're cute. The highest tax percentage of the very wealthiest 1% is 40%.

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Add the sales tax to that. Yeah, I'm buying all the yachts :D :P

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Bad math bro. The highest sales tax in the country is 7.5%, and even if you were a 40% tax payer (which we both know you aren't, nor am I), you don't just add 7.5% to your total gross income, because it's only applied to taxable purchases. I would guess you pay 25-35%, like most of middle America. I think think that's still disgustingly high, but no way near 50%.

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Yeah, I was adding my 401k, with that is close to 50%.

And of course I'm adding the state tax, soc sec, medicare, blabla.

But the idea stands: WHAT THE FUCK do I get for those money???

Ah, I know, i get to pay reparations, 5 mils to each black individual, LOL.

"The $5 million per-person payout, guaranteed income of at least $97,000 a year for 250 years, personal debt elimination and converting public housing into condos to sell for $1."

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I think taxes are crazy high, don't get me wrong, but some of that stuff we SHOULD get returns on, like SS...should,lol.

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haha you got TOLD.

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It's actually the opposite. The guy ranting about the media being corrupt and lying (you know, like trump did) was the bad guy.

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Actually, there has plenty of evidence that the media is corrupt, but it takes a balanced mind and perspective to acknowledge it. In case you've forgotten, CNN lost a major lawsuit for doing this very thing.

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They are ALL bad guys.

Sorry to burst your bubble.

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This show is about as anti-Trump as it gets. Hell, it's about as anti-right wing as it gets. It's a manifestation of the distorted perception of reality that many on the far left have about both.

From a left-leaning perspective, it's a great satire because it's pointing out (albeit in slight exaggeration) how backward right-wing people are. How they're oftentimes bigotted without even knowing it (or how they hide it) and how easily brainwashed they are by charismatic figures. How stuck in the past they are, how they get so carried away in conspiracy theories and catchphrases that they lose touch with reality. Sure, they're not (always) AS bad as on the show. But the general idea is a perfect mirror of reality. To the left.

But, as I said, all of its satire of reality is based on a distorted perception of reality. They try to present an image of "we poke fun at both sides!" fairness but they can't actually get that right because they don't actually believe the left is a big problem. They just think that people on the left act harmlessly silly sometimes (such as the celebrity "Imagine" video) and that they can be overly fluffy and too empathetic, so that's the softballs they hit them with. They don't actually see the anti-science aspects of this side, their constant conspiratorial thinking, the reactionary behavior, the dangerous extremist groups, the constant scare-mongering, the neverending witch hunts (they show witch hunts, but they're at least partially justified), and the religious zealotry of their baseless PC beliefs.

For the right, however (Trump included), it's important commentaries on their actual racism, misogyny, homophobia, and violence. Things which the planet has decided is true about this side, despite every poll, statistic, and utilization of critical thinking which suggests otherwise. It's a visual representation of the strawman they're always fighting against. Because they actually believe this IS who they're fighting against.

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zzzzzzzzzzzz

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🤣 Swing and a miss, unless trying to sound like an idiot was your goal, then job well done.

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What exactly was it that I was incorrect about, in your opinion?

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Literally, the very first sentence.

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You don't believe that it's particularly anti-Trump?

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No, I think it's pretty balanced in it's political and social satire, and definitely no focus to single out Trump as a main target. I think only a lefty that obsesses over Trump would find a way to make it about him.

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What do you make out of this quote by the showrunner, Eric Kripke, in regards to Homelander?

He’s always been a Trump analogue for me. I’ll admit to being a little more bald this season than I have in past seasons. But the world is getting more coarse and less elegant. The urgency of our team’s writing reflects that. We’re angrier and more scared as the years go on, so that is just being reflected in our writing. But part of it is where Homelander’s story naturally goes. He has this really combustible mix of complete weakness and insecurity, and just horrible power and ambition, and it’s just such a deadly combo. Of course he would feel victimized that people are angry that he dated a Nazi. All he ever wants is to be the most powerful person he can be, even though he’s completely inadequate in his abilities to handle it. So it’s white-male victimization and unchecked ambition. And those issues just happened to reflect the guy who, it’s just still surreal to say it, was fucking president of the United States. And it’s a bigger issue than just Trump. The more awful public figures act, the more fans they seem to be getting. That’s a phenomenon that we wanted to explore, that Homelander is realizing that he can actually show them who he really is and they’ll love him for it.

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As I said, only a lefty obsessed with Trump would make it about him, and that can include a showrunner (and rest assured, he's a lefty loonie), which is NOT a writer, so he can interpret it anyway he wants, but that doesn't equate intent. This very statement you site makes it obvious that Homelander just so happened to resemble Trump in his opinion, but he clearly insinuates that wasn't intentional, which again, he sees now because he's an obsessed lefty. You also can't deny that the show takes undeniably significant shots at the left and issues that Trump supporters have with the left, which also contradicts that statement. And all of that is somewhat irrelevant, since these characters are very closely aligned with the comics it was based on that were written long ago, and the writer has said were actually based on the Bush administration. So yeah, his statement doesn't hold up, and was obviously a retcon to gain woke points with fellow lefties, and evidently, you ate it up by the spoonful.

"And those issues just happened to reflect the guy who, it’s just still surreal to say it, was fucking president of the United States."

"Just happened to reflect" is the key words here, and shows exactly how full of shit he is as he contradicts himself.

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Well, I mean, I feel like it's somewhat self-evident that he's meant to represent Trump. I mean, I wasn't specifically very knowledgeable about Kripke himself before I hunted down that quote. But I knew that a quote like that had to exist from whoever it was that made this series because the series makes it apparent what its political leanings are (which certainly isn't in the middle). And lo and behold, my suspicions were validated within the first search results.

Admittedly, I've not read the source material so I can't comment on the comic and how similar or not similar it is to the TV series. But the politics of the show hardly feel subtle, regardless (also, a criticism of the Bush administration is still a criticism of the right lol). And while I don't know exactly what's going on in that writer's room (nor do you), I find it difficult to believe that the showrunner (the person with main creative control) doesn't have a significant amount of say about the scripts. He even implies as much with his "I" statements (i.e., "I'll admit to being a little more bald this season than I have in past seasons"). Also, it's a TV writer's room. It would be obvious the writers were very left-leaning even if I hadn't seen the show.

As I was originally speaking about, they aren't really attacking the views of the left or making vilifying caricatures of people with that mindset. They're taking shots at such things as big corporations and powerful people (celebrities and politicians) who are only posing as being woke for their own selfish reasons. They don't go after the wonderful BLM, for instance; they go after corporations hijacking the wonderful BLM to sell BLTs or whatever. They clearly still agree with and push the woke mindset of average left-leaning people. As they clearly don't believe there's anything wrong with it.

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As I said, "I think only a lefty that obsesses over Trump would find a way to make it about him."

You've very successfully proven my point with the goalpost moving, convenient presumptions
and fact ignoring that is indicative of the left. Well done.

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Kripke has been explicit that it is about Trump. And because of particularly thick individuals such as yourself, he had to make the parallels even more heavy handed in the third season. This was after he saw the picture of a Trump fan dressed like the Homelander, which astonished him: "um... are they actually watching the show?"

https://bleedingcool.com/tv/the-boys-eric-kripke-isnt-sure-trump-supporters-understand-series/

https://www.rollingstone.com/tv-movies/tv-movie-features/boys-penis-homelander-trump-billy-joel-season-3-1369258/

And sure, Eric Kripke hasn't written every episode, but he is the guiding hand. He's the one who decided on how the show was to be adapted, and it is very different from the comic. Hell, Garth Ennis made it an analogy to Bush and post 9/11 USA. Rest assured, had the comic been written in 2016 or later, he would have made it about Trump. The actors are also completely onboard with this being a satire and the MAGA crowd being the butt of the joke. The only ones who don't get it are... you guys. I mean, some of you kind of get it, those of you who actually view Homelander as a hero. Those guys are totally on board: "yeah, that's Trump!" So the MAGA crowd falls into two camps: 1) those who recognise that Homelander is Trump, and are blind to how awful he is, and 2) those who see how awful Homelander is, but refuse to see any Trump parallels.

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Interesting. So basically a recreation of Superman, who was originally inspired by Hitler?

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Fyi, I'm not a Trump supporter, but I'm not so obsessed with hating him that I'll see something that isn't there. He literally said the character "just so happened" to resemble trump. It wasn't created to be that way. He went all in later when he found out snowflake lefties got their panties wet hoping it was a Trump allegory. Also, the character was written almost 20 years ago, and is modeled very closely after the original that was based on Bush jr. And while the series itself is a bit different, the character personality isnt. It's retcon posturing on his part, nothing more. As I said already "I think only a lefty that obsesses over Trump would find a way to make it about him." Sounds like you fit the bill nicely, well done.

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God, why are you so desperately stuck on a piece of wording which is obviously a deliberate understatement? "Just so happened", is like adding a mock disclaimer, stating:

"Any similarity to real people are totally unintentional. Honest."

Seriously, Kripke also flat out stated this:

"He’s ALWAYS been a Trump analogue for me."

Emphasis mine. That's what we call conclusive evidence.

And no, Kripke's Homelander was not written 20 years ago. Garth Ennis's Homelander was written 20 years ago, but that serves only as an inspiration for the movie adaptation. Should we interpret the characters of the movie Starship Troopers based on Heinlein's novel, too, perhaps?

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It's called lying, something you should understand very well as a liberal.

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I guarantee you haven't actually read the comics, so just scroll to number 8, my guy. Happy to educate you.

https://www.cbr.com/homelander-amazon-the-boys-comic-accurate-different/#accurate-powers

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I started to read the comics, but they were kind of rubbish. Like a 15-year old had written them.

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ok, not your thing. Thats fine, but in no way does that change the facts that this character was already written. How desperate you want this, despite everything showing you it isn't true.🤣🤡

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TRUMP!!

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Bring back Trump!

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I kinda thought it made fun of #RUMP and the MAGA clowns that follow him.

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It actually goes after both sides. Didn't you catch the Disney woke slam. That was hilarious.

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I haven't watched this show but I know the comic it's adapted from came out years ago, well before Trump even ran for president. So what you say is false.

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