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Though Gordon's death was sad, I think Tamara's death was unnecessary


Gordon's death affected people in that they recognized that he was a decent guy who didn't deserve his fate. Tamara was kinda bitchy and she did flip off her Russian boyfriend (who then died trying to save his son) but did she deserve to drown after saving Jackson's Daughter Lily and the dog.

I pretty much think that killing any character who had made it TO THE SHIP, deserved to live. IMHO :D

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Her death didn't even make sense. How did her compartment fill with water while the other compartments didn't?

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She didn't deserve to die; since her death made no sense. Since her compartment was in the middle; between Jackson's and the hydrologics...jackson's should've flooded first

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No ones death "made any sense", but virtually everyone on earth died. Why preserve her life?

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Considering Tamara was the most bangable chick in the movie they had no business killing her off.

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Look who bought the farm AFTER they got to the supposed safety...

Sasha, the pilot who banged his boss' girlfriend
Tamara, the adultering girlfriend who dared replace Yuri's wife
Yuri, the guy who divorsed (we're not told this explicitly but all points tend to point that way, she may have died though) his wife and got a young hottie in her place
Gordon, the plastic surgeon who dared replace the legally wedded husband, albeit divorsed, of whatshername

Still don't notice the trend here???



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I disagree on some points.

Sasha's death was one of heroic sacrifice. He died trying to bring them to safety with an INSANE icefield landing of a gigantic plane. From a narrative point of view, his heroic death made sense. Also because he was the lover of 'trophy wife' Tamara, and the third wheel in the 'love triangle' it made karmic sense.

Yuri, though a boorish and craven billionaire, dies trying to save his son. That is a redemptive gesture on the part of the character. The story point goes to show that even a 'vile man' can be redeemed through his sacrifice for his own child. I, as a writer, find any adult's sacrifice of their own life to save their child, even if it is a brat child, a powerful display of parental love. Possibly the most honorable thing a human being can do in this life.

Gordon, though an OBVIOUS Third wheel, did not deserve his death because he never did anything 'karmically' to deserve it storywise. He was actually a nice and likeable guy who was 'exploited' by the other characters ("Stop calling me a pilot!") hahahaha. His death was unfair.

Tamara, though a trophy wife and unfaithful one at that, did save Cusack's daughter, but a heroic sacrifice there was completely unnecessary. In fact, I was hoping that she would step up and be a PARENT figure to Yuri's sons, who, BTW, are now completely orphaned! But the screenwriters took that away from her.

So the score card is:

Sasha - Heroic sacrifice - death made sense
Yuri - Heroic sacrifice - death made sense - redeems a foul character with one last gesture of love

Tamara - Heroic sacrifice - death was NOT Necessary
Gordon - Just got caught in the gears - Death was TOTALLY NOT NECESSARY





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Literally logged in just to call you an idiot. You have no idea what karma means so stop referencing it. Karma does not mean because you did something someone else didn't like that the universe will somehow get you back. Just shut up.

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Nope. Look up the word idiot. I think that the definition fits YOU to a tee! Nice to know that the internet still has temper tantrums by folks with the maturity of a little child :D

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Just a quick note here to clarify: According to most Hindu and Buddhist belief systems, Karma doesn't actually decide your fate during your life. The karma you generate through acts or intentions in one life does determine where you begin in your next incarnation, but it doesn't make you have good or bad luck while you're alive.

You could be a total jerk and still be incredibly lucky right up until you die, as karma doesn't do anything while you're still alive, but if you are a jerk, you'll be reincarnated a poor, ugly schmuck next time around.

And that's karma ;)

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He left a note. He left a simple little note that said, "I've gone out the window."

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Thanks for that input :D But I hope you realize (unlike that idiot who posted above me) that I'm using the term colloquially. I'm NOT trying to get into a purist historical dissection of the term. I'm using 'karma' like most folks (who aren't specifically using the classical definition).

Thanks for the historical note. I was actually sorta aware of that, but again, the idiot above us had a tantrum because I was not using it in the 'historically pure' fashion. And THAT is him being ridiculous.

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No worries.

When you told the other poster to look up the word for himself, I assumed that you'd been meaning to use it in the proper sense, and had made a mistake.

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He left a note. He left a simple little note that said, "I've gone out the window."

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It was overly moral and preachy: the goody family is saved. Parents reunite and the stepfather is dropped off conveniently.
The bad, rich Russian people (who are not even married) die but kinda save themselves in the proccess by saving an innocent one (the kids, the dog).

One thing I had trouble figuring out: why if it was possible to greet many more people in the arks, they did not consider this possibilty sometimes before fifteen minutes prior the impact.



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I figured that they SOLD the space for billions of dollars, but many of the people they earmarked to GET IN never made it to the location.

Even Helmsley's friend SATNAM and his family (who were doomed on the North Indian plateau in a really sad scene :() were truly supposed to be picked up, it was scheduled but many people were abandoned in the many 'screwups" leading to the launch.

So I think they were holding spaces for many people until the last minute, who never made it. Lucky for the dockworkers and 'friends and family who were NOT on the list" since they could rush the ships and find room.

Anyway, You're right about the weird morality of the body count.

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Thks for the insight! Yeah,it's still very weird but it does make more sense.

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I don't mean no disrespect, but I am sure you missed some keypoints in this movie.

I think Anheuser made it rather clear that Satnam was never supposed to be picked up.

The Russian guy was just trying to save himself and his sons because he could. If any Russians were dispicable in this movie it were the sons. Tamara never should have been there IMO, since Yuri left during the fight she stayed at. I think Yuri would have told her to go when he find out about her and Sasha, not waiting till the moment of survival.

Like so was Jackson trying to save his (broken) family by illegally boarding.

Anheuser was the decisionmaker until the last moment. He planned the Arks and departure, list of guests, list of paying survivors and all. Anyone else never thought of what would happen if there still was thousands of people watching the ships leave, and even a complete passengerlist of Ark 3 still standing there. That was the moment where we could see the power of Anheuser was already crumbling. He would not have been part of government in the new world.

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Nope, I have the film and reviewed the scene over and over again. Anheuser did NOT say that Satnam was INTENTIONALLY being abandoned. He was stressed because LOTS of people who were supposed to get picked up, did not get rescued because of logistical screw ups (which happens in a terrible situation like that). He never once implied a dark agenda of intentionally leaving anyone. I think you're just reading that into it.

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Emmerich is often hilariously mean-spirited. It's all in the name of good fun though.

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Did you even WATCH this movie? She was a rich privileged character with fake boobs. The whole theme of this film is "privileged people should die and they will ALL sell you out given the chance". She had no chance in this kind of film. The only character that lived that surprised me was Oliver Platt.

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LOL. I did watch the film. But I don't automatically hate 'rich people' and assume that they should die in a movie just because of MY own personal prejudices against them. hahahahaha

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Sorry, I think you misinterpreted my sarcasm. I don't personally have any issue with "rich people". And I actually liked Tamara as a character (and assumed she would take over as parent for the Russian boys).

But I DO think that EMMERICH (who both wrote and directed) DOES hate them. That was what I meant by "did you watch it". He managed to kill or at least vilify every wealthy or religious person in the film. If you were a rich or religious character, you died. If you were not a main character, you were at least vilified as callous. The only exception to this is the young monk, but he gets a pass because he is pointing out to his superiors that they are blind to what is going on.

So I just thought the message was so heavy handed it was comedic.

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I see thanks. You're right about not being able to correctly interpret sarcasm on the net. It's very difficult to gauge 'the voice' of a message in addition to the text :( But that's a valid point. The filmmaker does seem to have an agenda of his own, which is ironic because he's ONE of those rich people! hahahaha.

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