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I think the movie just proves its point

posted 12 years ago by laikinasemail
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First of all, I think it's great movie and I liked it.

At the beginning we say Caleb stating that all women are whores and they will *beep* you over everytime. At the end we learn, that it is in fact true (from the movie's perspective).

So it proves the point and there is no deeper meaning in it, still, I enjoyed it evry much, great perfomances. Only thing that hated was Emma's looks. She looked really like a little slut all the time (and I believe that was intentional) and I couldn't feel any connection with her character.

And I am not saying that all women are whores or anything. What I would assert is that we all (men and women) are selfish in true meaning of the word and we all act to fulfil our best interest. That's how we evolved and there is nothing immoral or unjust about it. People just need to accept this basic fact and start enjoying life.

And when I hear complains about "you're selfish" what they are really saying is that "you do not do what I want you to do to meet my own selfish needs so I better would try to shame you and pretend I am on a moral highground" when in fact, we are all pretty much the same (in this regard).

So again, great film, great acting and great time spent.

[–] alindon18 12 years ago

*Spoilers*. That's not really true. I think you need to watch this movie again. Notice his reaction when he finds out she's a virgin after they have sex. His idea of women only *beep* him over (or his brother, who he claims to be protecting by trying to prove his girlfriend is a slut) was only a self fulfilling prophecy.

[–] liesarexforever 12 years ago

So he is upset, because she infact was a virgin somewhat? Cause she does attempt to sleep with her boyfriend before him...

[–] alindon18 12 years ago

He was trying to prove she was a slut by sleeping with her. He already had this idea that she was, and that she had been sleeping with all of his brothers frat buddies. After he does, he finds out she had never had real sex with anyone other than him, and that she wasn't being slutty, she had merely fallen for him. So to sum it up, he convinced his brother's girlfriend he was falling for her (which he may have been) so as to make her cheat to prove his point that all women are slutty, only to have her truly fall for him. He believed she would leave his brother and ruin their relationship, then realized that he was causing that to happen.

[–] panawhat 12 years ago

I completely agree with you alindon18. I find it very interesting that Caleb thought all women were whores, but then he sleeps with actual whores and a girl that he has labeled a slut. What does that make him? If you say someone is a dirty nasty whore and then sleep with them, doesn't that also make you a whore? Kind of like, you are what you eat, except you are who you sleep with type thing.

[–] daddie0 10 years ago

I would say that the movie's point is far more complex than that and if it's all you took away you have missed almost the entire film.

First off, Caleb is a mess. He's been doing a horrible job of dealing with his mother's death for 8 years and his girlfriend's rejection. While they didn't get into Caleb's relationship backstory, the glimpses we get (including his girlfriend's nonchalant response to his childish photos) shows the dysfunction in their relationship. Caleb hates women.

Donald is a mess and has constructed a false reality for his boys to live (and mourn in) in which he portrays himself as a victim when in fact he was the one who destroyed the family. Left with a dead mother and lying father Caleb continually self-destructs. He doesn't even tell his brother, an egregious omission of choice only pointed out by the supposed "evil" woman Emma.

Peter is clueless as he's still living in fantasy land: the one his dad created and his brother maintained.

Emma is a wildcard thrown into the mix and perhaps the most vexing character. All we really know about her is her parents are drunks in some sort of unhealthy marital "agreement." She is looking for family and direction, and eager to get her own life started.

Your thread says the movie "proves the point and there's no deeper meaning in it" yet that is not at all true. You rightly point out that the movie starts with the indictment that "all women are whores and they will *beep* you over everytime" but in the end we realize that the Caleb and Donald fit this definition far better than the women in the film do. We go in thinking it's the women, but find out it's really the men who are "The Vicious Kind."

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[–] maryswake 10 years ago

I agree. Good points.

But at the same time... every one was a participant. No victims.

This might be off the path or a stretch from, but every one had an idea of what they were getting into here... that's what makes it sort of a gamble. Use what you know in making decisions... experiences help, prior "knowledge" and pain/joy etc from things that happened to you before can help but ultimately, what you give or do or how you deal with things, ... don't you also become a part of what happens, what ends up happening?

Baby brother knew she had cheated on her boyfriend to be with him. So she has a weakness.

Big brother feels that all women are whores already (yet he becomes infatuated any way)

Dad turns out to be a coward who is okay living with it as long as he has his one son on his side and around.

Emma who acts innocent and impressionable, knows that Peter IS "innocent" and impressionable yet still presses on. Why does she go after him in the first place? I often wonder why women who know a little better go after that knowing deep down that they want/need more. A sign of immaturity? Not ready to really just drop the drama and deal with things head on? OR a want to just hang on to a piece of innocence that they may have already waved good bye to...

She already in the very first ride that Caleb sparked her interest. She could have made up her mind right there and then and whenever he went "after her", could have just ignored or fended them off. But the "seal" was broken, I think it happened after sure maybe even at the grocery store. But then again maybe the whole thing was brought on from the whole forbidden feel of it? Rather than, oh we get a long because we're both a little "angsty". The writing made it seem inevitable and almost even a must that they had to hook up.

But in reality... anyone else notice that while it's easy to blame Emma... any one notice that Caleb came to her for genuine comfort...(not just to bust a nut) usually women do pursue for comfort. I thought that was interesting to see a slightly different perspective.

Thanks!

Regards,
Mary

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