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posted 15 years ago by Shirobake
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Mocked him and chastised him as the "Rev. Falwell of the gay community"; refusing to hear what he had to say, and then got sick. If that makes me cold, fine, but you CANNOT argue "Oh, it was a sign of the times". Let's look at some facts:

1) Homosexuality has existed just as long as heterosexuality has- which predates man.

2) STDs, and knowledge of both how to contract them, and methods with which to avoid them (such as, say, animal skin condoms) have been known since at least the Enlightenment, when brothels were cracked down upon as people started contracting siphilus.

3) Knowledge of drugs and alcohol goes back just as long, if not longer- as well as, obviously, knowledge of their potential danger and ill side and after effects. Alcohal was used "against" the Native Americans, and opium "against" the Chinese not so relatively long ago for those very reasons.

Therefore, does it not stand to reason that maybe, JUST MAYBE, homosexuals were getting sick from unprotected sex and drugs a considerable period of time before the late 70s? It never, EVER dawned on them there was anything problematic about such choices?

I feel just about as much empathy for them as I do parents who send their kids to "abstinence only" schools and are shocked, SHOCKED, when their underage daughters comes home pregnant. WILLFUL ignorance bears it's own fruits.

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[–] AltaireIII 15 years ago

"Therefore, does it not stand to reason that maybe, JUST MAYBE, homosexuals were getting sick from unprotected sex and drugs a considerable period of time before the late 70s? It never, EVER dawned on them there was anything problematic about such choices? "

Define getting sick? Many STD's can be treated with antibiotics and that is the end of that until the next time. Herpes and Genital warts are two STD's that never disappear for good. But the rest of them do. Then came AIDS. If all you face before AIDS was a dose of pennicillen here and there, then that is hardly a wake up call. If I sneeze on you in public and you catch the cold I have, then is going out in public a bad idea for you? After all, it is a cold and that will go away sooner not later.

My point is before AIDS people did not see anything too problematic about such choices as far as physical health went.

One final thing I wish to say is not every gay person in America in the 1970's lived this endless party of sex and drugs. For every club kid or disco baby partying it up in NYC, SF, and LA night after night, there were plenty more who had nothing to do with that and wanted nothing to do with that.

[–] knight-in-black-leather 14 years ago

The disease spread like wildfire because as Berkowitz stated, promiscuity.

We have to take responsibility for our lives and our actions. They gave stats about how HIV was on the rise among young gay men...and that was many years AFTER AIDS became a national health issue. We can't claim ignorance anymore.

And of course, we have 'bug chasers' which I won't even get into here.

“He was in the world, and the world was made by Him, and the world knew Him not.”

[–] AtheistRevolution 14 years ago

I agree, people that shared needles and had unprotected sex. Morons still do this crap today. And then they want sympathy for their stupid behavior.

Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by rulers as useful.

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[–] AtheistRevolution 14 years ago

So you're saying we shouldn't call these people out on their behavior?A mistake is someone locks their keys in the car. Eating crap everyday,using drug needles,unprotected sex,drunk driving,etc. None of those are mistakes. Those are just stupid decisions that you will eventually regret but you think that you're invincible.

The days of"I didn't know" being used as an excuse are over. Condoms are free and there are limitless amounts of information on STD's,drugs,junk food,etc available for free. Watch all these people blame someone else when they're sick.Like those fatties suing McDonalds.I knew McDonalds was crap in the 90's and with all the information now you can't pull that crap.

I'm worried more about the drunk drivers than people having liver problems. We definitely need tougher laws for those *beep* If these people get caught driving 2 or more times drunk then they should be in jail for at least a year and more time if they continue after getting out of jail. I rather have sympathy for people that had no choice in their sickness than someone that made stupid decisions but wants everyone else to pay.Like Kevin Smith getting mad because his fatass couldn't fit in a plane or the fatasses that couldn't fit into the Harry Potter ride. They might be mad but the rest of us want the plane and rides to stay in the air without crashing.

Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by rulers as useful.