Scott VS Rain


Scott Adkins from Ninja VS Rain from Ninja Assassin.
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Well I think the OP means which made the better ninja, which is ironic because neither of them did things that are strictly "ninja" in nature in their respective roles.

The major problem I had with "Ninja", was that only the villain was really a ninja, the hero, Adkins, was just more of a martial artist but didn't really have that ninja edge to him. He wasn't a stealth assassin and didn't use trickery and unfair tactics, which is basically the foundation of ninjitsu-style methods; it's all about cheating.

This also applies in "Ninja Assassin". There weren't many assassinations, and the main hero was just more of a warrior than a ninja, so again, the title is kind of off the mark.

In terms of who was the better lead and who convinced me more, I think Scott Adkins was generally superior as a martial arts lead. He's an incredibly talented movie martial artist and stuntman and is capable of all of the things Rain had to learn or be doubled for in his movie on his own.
I don't believe Scott Adkins' full potential has been used yet in a movie, although this movie had some moments where you could really see how talented he is.

In terms of acting ability, I would say that Rain was only slightly more charismatic than Adkins in the lead role, as his character had more of a backstory and a few scenes where he had the chance to exhibit some cunning and humour, whereas Adkins' character in this was very flat and boring and didn't provide him many opportunities to show off any acting.

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I have seen both films and you do bring up some very good points. I mean I have not seen a Ninja film quite yet utilize the trickery and the weapons that a Ninja has. I can remember watching a lot of the Ninja movies from the 80's and they were pretty good as well. It is really hard to say on which one I liked better. I mean Rain did a great job in Ninja Assassin and Adkins did a great job in his film. I am surprised that they did not have Adkins in a Ninja outfit for his role. That would have been nice to see.

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I agree completely. The only real Ninja in this movie was the Masazuka, and he was brilliant in that role. Whereas Adkins showcased a few ninja arts in the end (caltrops and few of the weapons). And well, thats about it.

In summary, this movie is a showcase of what is a ninja. You could grab all the necessary clips from this movie and make a ninja presentation. Well, almost.

I havent yet watched Ninja Assassin, but I believe it to be equally entertaining.

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I am a Scott Adkins fan because his martial arts abilities are incredible, but in my mind there's really no comparison as to was a better screen ninja. Rain wins hands down, both due to his own acting abilities and due to the way the character was written.

I really didn't like the way ninjas were portrayed in Ninja. You've got Adkins running around, rarely in a ninja suit, and really being just too much of a "nice guy." He had no edge. And then Masazuka (if I remember his name right) on the other hand was good in the role and had the edge, but I honestly wasn't able to appreciate the bionic ninja look they went for with the shoulder pads and body armor and night vision goggles.

In Ninja Assassin the ninjas actually looked like ninjas. The uniforms and the story itself was much more traditional. Rain did a good job acting-wise and, despite the fact that he is a newly-trained martial artist, it's obvious that he's a natural. His movements were beautiful to watch.

Ninja Assassin could've benefit to some tweaking of the story, but overall was a worthwhile film. Ninja, on the other hand, was full of potential but couldn't really get it together and is ultimately a missed opportunity.

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In Ninja Assassin the ninjas actually looked like ninjas. The uniforms and the story itself was much more traditional.


lol no

Also, why do you think should be "traditional"? Are there, say, any recent European insurgents (IRA, ETA, Kosovo Liberation Army, Bosnian Serb Army, Chechen Republic, Abkhaz Republic & South Ossetia, Caucasus Emirate, etc) dressed and armed like the peasant rebels from the feudal era?

And the Japanese still used swords in WWII (officers mostly), but so were the Chinese, and Polish and Soviet (Cossack) cavalrymen etc. But they don't use them now, and the Poles and Russians don't really use sabres too anymore.

Even the Native American militants at Wounded Knee in 1973 or in Canada during this crisis some time ago or the Zapatistas in Mexico weren't exactly armed with bows and arrows, you know. Arab insurgents are often using traditional swords in their flags and logos (if they're not using the Kalashnikov rifle motif), but even when beheading captives they are using knives (when not shooting them, again). And so on.

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I am a Scott Adkins fan because his martial arts abilities are incredible


Couldn't agree with you more. All I can say is "Move over Mr. Statham....there's a new Caucasian King of Kung Fu in town"!

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I think Scott is even a better actor than Statham.

As for Scott was Rain
I liked both films,but preferred Ninja and I liked both in their respected Roles




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Adkins all the way. He has a real fighting style, and his scenes weren't smothered in cgi or covered up in fast cutting and editing.

Ninja had way better and pure action scenes.

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Easily Scott Adkins. I've never seen another film of his and don't know who he is, but his fighting skills were very impressive in Ninja. Much better than that Rain guy who really can't fight. Ninja Assassin didn't seem to show that Rain had any real skills, that knife-chain weapon looks like it was largely cgi. Scott Adkins on the other hand looks like he could really fight, especially that the awesome train sequence.

Although the scores of Ninja Assassin are higher on IMDB, I'd still have to say that Ninja was a better film in every way. How did Ninja Assassin go wrong? The lead actor didn't have presence, the fighting was lame, the cgi blood was way overdone. The only thing good about that film was that they cast Sho Kosugi who is "THE MAN" when it comes to the 80's US Ninja films.

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Adkins, definately. He's a professional martial artist and stuntman, and although Rain did a good job, there's no comparison between the two.

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Ok, so let's do a tally here.

..........................Assassin..Ninja
movie execution...better....worse
"real" fighting........worse.....better by Scott
ninja-style............better....worse for Scott
acting opportunity..less......more screen time of Scott
acting ability.........more......less by Scott

If they met in a movie-crossover, obviously Rain would win a fight, mystical healing abilities aside. Scott has difficulty keeping plain thugs down and is outclassed by the antagonist.

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I think the boy band Rain guy was better. Way better. Though Scott Adkins can kick his ass anytime in real life, but, movie wise Rain was better.

Also, personally, accepting an american as a ninja, i find very funny.

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Scott Adkins by far!

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Adkins?!?!!? Are you serious? Both are bad actors but Rain is a little better. Neither one should pursue an acting career.

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