Roy's come-on to Dia


(Spoilers)I thought Roy's come-on lines to Dia were creepy, and wondered why Dia tolerated him. I know she was about to get married and she had doubts, but to opt for Roy? This movie was about people with bad judgement making terrible choices.
I couldn't help laughing at Roy's predicament at the end of the movie. The more I thought about it, the funnier it was, in a mean way. It was of his own making. And it had to ruin his brand-new relationship with Dia--so THAT coupling would sour, after going through that hideous brake-up with her fiance.
I can picture Allen snickering at all these people he created. Definitely a movie with a mean streak.

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Yeah--Roy's reputation, and probably his life, was going to be over as soon as his friend got out of his coma.

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I almost felt bad for Roy, but then I remembered he stole a "dead" man's book, so he really deserved to get caught.


simple solution. kill coma man in his sleep with a pillow.

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> I almost felt bad for Roy, but then I remembered he stole a "dead" man's book, so he really deserved to get caught.

What was so bad about it? It's clearly said nobody else knew about the book. Should Roy have just done nothing to save his career? What good are fame and money to a dead man?

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At first, I too felt bad for Roy and supported his attempt with his friend's book, but then there was that scene when Dia did that horrid act to her fiance when Roy got too ambitious and intruded in her life. I'm sorry, but Dia and Roy are my least favorite characters, and believe they're the worst ones. Because of this turn of events in the movie, I was happy to learn about Roy facing demise with his friend being in a coma.

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I always wonder why when a man finds his true love in films it is treated so much more differently than when woman find there's. It is so rare to root for a guy finding his happiness, that i could care less what he did to get the novel, but typical Hollywood could just not give the character any kind of good story for him leaving the wife and being happy.

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boy you really wrestled with that moral dilemma huh

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Roy didn't just steal his critical friend's book and had it published, he also wooed Dia away from her fiancée and caused her to break off her engagement while she chose him over Alan so in both cases Roy is a thief

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Why is it a film with a mean streak? These aren't good people being put through the wringer - they're self-destructive boors getting what they deserve. Roy's situation at the end of the film is a masterstroke of storytelling.

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The mother was an intrusive & unpleasant space cadet but she ends up happy. So not every boor gets what they deserve. Some people have good judgement and make the right choices. Allen chose to create these folks.

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He created these characters to satirise human behaviour, as he's always done.

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Sally certainly did not get what she deserved.

And while it wasn't right for Roy to steal his dead friend's book, I think stealing from a dead man is one of the mildest forms of crime imaginable. What he did was understandable, given his situation, even if it wasn't right.

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Roy also could have given his 'dead' friend's book to a publisher, to be published under the correct name, to honor his friend's memory. Stealing from a dead man is pretty lousy. Imagine what would happen to Roy when his friend recovers from his coma--Roy would be vilified for what he did, which is understandable.

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"...I think stealing from a dead man is one of the mildest forms of crime imaginable.."

Nice. When the poor shmuck's no longer alive to defend himself. It would be the act of a coward, a dishonourable coward.

In other news: That relationship between Dia and Roy made my skin crawl. He was so danged creepy and what kind of nuff nuff was she to be flattered and charmed by his disturbing advances? Weird, weird people...



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Overall, I believe the ending's message was: ignorance is bliss.

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The only people who ends up happy are the ones who believes in reincarnation - and that they had earlier more exciting lives and that they will have more exciting lives in the future.

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Yeah it was a little strange, and I was surprised as well... Well, until she admitted that she'd been watching him in the window as well while he was writing and therefore knew he was a writer. The it occurred to me that her entire act in front of the window was because she actually wanted him to notice her as she wasn't satisfied with her fiance (especially because he out-of-town so much).

I do agree that Allen's writing was very morbid and morose this time out, I guess he's getting older and thus more crotchety.

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Exactly. She enjoyed Roy watching her throught the window. Any woman who obviously know people can easily, hear, see and talk to her through a window will NOT leave that window open when she's about to get intimitate. She liked the attention she was getting therefore Roy's comment weren't that surpricing. Especially after she told him to look outside at midnight.

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you are so wrong. I thought he was even passably charming... guys can be much clumsier and get similar reactions. Also most women aren't just goin to tell someone off in one minute, especaly when theyre being flattered. When you consider everything else in the story, that she knew he was some kind of writer, and 'always wanted to be someones muse', it makes more sense

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Some women do tell someone off in one minute. But the comment he made about wanting to watch her take her blouse off came I think on their second meeting.
Anyway, her choice of Roy turned out to the wrong one in the end--after he found out he might be discovered as stealing a dead friend's book, he would've been hell to live with. I just think the hints of his personality were there to see.

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IMO this movie is another Mr. Allen's (expected) sad failure. But, if I would take this half-made concoction seriously, I would feel sorry for Dia and her fiancee.

But instead I feel very sorry for Mr. Allen who didn't learn humility yet. Considering his age, he has had plenty of time for it.

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Agreed. I found him a bit charming at first, but then when he got into telling her he had seen her almost naked and it was so erotic and all that... Allen lost me.

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I found him a bit charming at first, but then when he got into telling her he had seen her almost naked and it was so erotic and all that... Allen lost me.


A good example of a man (Allen) who thinks he's good at reading women's minds but in reality is not.



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They were creepy. I mean it's one thing to hit on her but to tell her he enjoys seeing her undress.

I chalk it up to youth and perhaps living a sheltered life. She seems like she didn't have a lot of experience with men and she broke it off with her fiancee because she wanted to see what she was missing.

I want to see the movie where Dia finds out that she left a very nice young good looking man for a thief!

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Roy fancies himself as an artist, when really he should have become a doctor. His mother-in-law is absolutely right when she tells him it's a noble job.
Same for Dia, she was gonna marry a bureaucrat, and in the end found the idea of living the bohemian life with a writer more appealing.

All these people are following some crazy illusion, but only the older lady chose an illusion that's so crazy it never has to clash with reality, which is why she's the only one that finds happiness, or at least contentment. Whatever works!



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