To me? It's [Protect the clone illusion(secret)]. The entire production paradigm is founded on this secret. Nothing could be more important.
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Was GERTY lonely?!? And if so, does that make GERTY selfish? Putting his "needs" before the mission/paradigm.
I agree, Gerty must be somewhat aware that the Sam's never truly go home.
But maybe Lunar circumvented his logic by implementing some cut off command, but that is just assuming.
It would make sense for Lunar to decide that Gerty is worth more than a Sam clone, since there is only 1 Gerty but a huge supply of Sam's.
Which would coincide with Gerty maintaining the illusion, either to guard but also to guide every Sam, instead of assisting every Sam to break out of the cycle.
And since Gerty's rebooting seems to be a big issue for the plot, i could imagine that the Gerty we see during the movie is a continuation of many cycles without a reboot, therefore over time he could be developing some sort of personality and possibly feeling lonely, and maybe felt that it was time to say goodbye on a good note.
I dont really have a problem with the idea that Gerty has become much more than just a robot mentally.
But i dont specifically feel that Gerty mainly did this because he was lonely, it might be part of it, since cycle after cycle, each Sam displayed the same loneliness, it is likely that Gerty picked up on this or started to identify with this.
But i think it was more an act out of empathy towards the Sam's, he didnt come clean right off the bat, but filled in the gaps whenever the Sam's found out more.
If Gerty's prime directive was to uphold the illusion, then he definitely broke protocol right there, but if his main protocol was to help Sam, then technically thats still all that he did, helping Sam.
But then of course Gerty knows that each Sam is a clone with implanted memories, knows that their health will deteriorate, so it is almost safe to assume that he knows that each Sam will die on the base, with Gerty's assistance nonetheless.
So i get what you mean, but im not sure if the movie really picked up on this.
But i would argue that Gerty did what he did in humane fashion, together with sacrificing himself, that should indicate that Gerty was his own person, and to tie it back to the OP, despite what i feel about Gerty, i still dont feel that Sam included Gerty in the "we are not programmed" line.
When you say Earth-Sam, do you mean the original earth-borne Sam?
No i meant Sam-6 i think, kinda forgot the count, the one that escaped i called Earth Sam (will call him Escape-Sam from here), not Original Sam, and Moon Sam is the newly awakened clone.
I started thinking about Moon Sam, because both Escape-Sam and Gerty erase their traces, which would in turn uphold the same lie/paradigm towards the Eliza crew at their arrival, to lower suspicions, i guess also in an attempt to save the new Sam from getting killed right away.
So, IF the Eliza crew fell for the trick and left after removing old Sam, then it would give new Sam time to wake up, and wake up to the reality.
On the other hand, Escape-Sam still did leave a trail of destruction and evidence, the Jammers and live feed would obviously be detected at some point, plus Escape-Sam drove to the stalled Harvester and Rover, leaving tire marks and footprints in the powdered landscape, which could be spotted by the Eliza crew.
The script even made note of this when Sam arrived at the stalled Harvester for the first time, leaving footprints on the talcum powder-like surface, but it never came back later to bite him. So it would made sense that the movie never made a deal out of it, but i guess it is kind of a plothole haha, well maybe more of a convenience.
Just to clarify though, i understand why the radio guy calls him a whacko and immigrant, since hearing about a guy who claims to be a clone working on the Moon, is a pretty weird story, so i can imagine it being hard to accept, i wouldnt accept it either, unless there is overwhelming evidence.
But then the movie also has a line about dropped stocks, so it makes me wonder about what is going on, are the Sam's working together? (with or without Original Sam).
But since the guy was saying "He", not they, and "immigrant", then i think it is all about Escape-Sam, i just think it would have made more sense to include old Sam and new Sam, because they actually can provide hands-on evidence, new Sam probably would have tried to call Tess too, with the disastrous consequences, plus his live feed opens all kinds of possibilities, unless Gerty denies him access.
So yeah, the ending still puzzles me a bit, but i know they deliberately did not give closure on that.
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rainofwalrus
8 years ago
DethstruXioN, well said.
Eliza was a cleanup crew. They were coming in to murder both awoken clones, hide the evidence, reboot the robot, and continue production. They were flying in from Jupiter, so that means Earth could be kept out of the loop--so to speak. It also makes you wonder if the Cleaners were also clones? Maybe all offworld-employees are? We lack data.
They say "He" because I honestly believe the Corporation would still be ahead of Escape-Sam's plans. Meaning they could scuttle the entire Clonebase on the Moon, removing all evidence.
This would make Escape-Sam's claims seem even more crazy.
"We're people..." is definitely referring to the other clones. Not GERTY.
Enjoy these words, for one day they'll be gone... All of them.
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DethstruXioN
8 years ago
Yeah i agree.
The Eliza crew had enough opportunity to sense something was off if they had any awareness of the situation.
Lunar knows that Gerty woke up another clone, Lunar sent Sam a message saying that Eliza is on its way in 14 hours.
It took almost a day between the crash/awakening and for Eliza to arrive, the new clone is brought up between 6-5 hours before arrival.
The new clone barely woke up at the time they arrived, he doesnt even know that Eliza would arrive in the first place, something should be off.
They came in with guns already, so the new clone never really stands much of a chance, although they do stress Sam to sit tight and cooperate to everything the Eliza team says.
It would still be likely that they would have shot the new Sam just to make sure, and probably be on stand by for orders, plus it would give them a reason to inspect some more, for example discovering the live feed and Jammer destruction, not to mention the Rover and footprints and possibly the Video Phone.
Giving them a chance to burn it all down if necessary.
But assuming everything went well and Lunar / Eliza never got the chance to remove the evidence, what is stopping the Sam's from working together?
Moon Sam could be following all of it with his live feed, Original Sam hears about it in the news, case closed id say, but it doesnt end like this, so what is going on then.
I like the idea of all off-world employees being clones though, gives me a cold and creepy vibe, but in the good and interesting way :)
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rainofwalrus
8 years ago
But assuming everything went well and Lunar / Eliza never got the chance to remove the evidence, what is stopping the Sam's from working together?
Moon Sam could be following all of it with his live feed, Original Sam hears about it in the news, case closed id say, but it doesnt end like this, so what is going on then.
Depends on how innocent Original Sam is. What I mean is that if Sam Bell didn't agree to be cloned, he might have extreme animosity towards all parties involved in duping him. Including the cloned copies of himself.
Enjoy these words, for one day they'll be gone... All of them.
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DethstruXioN
7 years ago
True, but if he did not agree to be cloned, then this would be the perfect time to swoop in and sue Lunar.
If Sam knew about the cloning, but doesnt want to get involved because of (questionable) reasons, then Eve has to be in it too, even if against her will, otherwise she might speak up behind Original Sam's back.
But that video call that Sam made to Eve did not really imply that she was prepared to handle a copy-Dad conversation. She didnt even recognize his voice or something.
I skip reading the bottom line, because it is usually some lame signature.
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