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another reason why americans


Or anyone.. Should not own guns. Dumb mistakes happen. Startled someone. Bang.

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Another reason why Americans and everyone really, should own guns: selfish, criminal breaks into your home in the middle of the night and you need to defend your home and family.

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Yeah, I don't see where a "mistake" happened here. If someone breaks into my house when my family is home, they won't be walking out.

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Op must be a lib. I guess we are supposed to ask the home invader about his bad childhood and forgive him n beg for mercy while he slaughters our family? Maybe hug it out?

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"hug it" might way too easy escalate the situation.
First, always try to talk it out.

Quiet, reasonable kind of voice though! :)

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Ditto....my home security system is Smith & Wesson.

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Nah, their be trapped laughing as you shoot your d**k off or someone's anyway...

120th rule of internet boards, the more aggressive and ramboesque the poster, the less from reality their posts are...

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Nah, their be trapped laughing as you shoot your d**k off or someone's anyway...

120th rule of internet boards, the more aggressive and ramboesque the poster, the less from reality their posts are...

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Your post still doesn't make any sense the second time around. Seems like your comment and signature are a bit conflicting

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This is just a movie, not real life. Apples and oranges. People have to learn to realize that. If only law enforcement and the military were allowed to own firearms, you can bet your bottom dollar that crime would go down dramatically. And yes, I would like to take all your guns away, so don't vote for me as President.

BTW: The film was very good, but it was just a film. It's not real life. People that make judgments about real life by what they see in films really holds no credence and makes them look rather stupid.

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I live in a country that only cops and the military have guns. in my city, we have like 3 homicides a day for a population of less than 1.5 million. i really hope you never get to live on a place that only the government is allowed to have guns. The right of self defense was taken from us and now we live on constant fear of bandits. I envy americans

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If the US citizens cannot own guns then the police should not bear arms either, just like it happens in the UK (barring special circumstances, ops, etc). Keep them only in the military, for which they were originally intended anyway.
On the contrary, the American police is constantly militarized, now even using bomb-bearing killer robots, in pure military style. And about an innocent American is shot down every day, particularly if he is non white.

Fanboy : a person who does not think while watching.

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I would think you'd be more concerned about a guy given witness protection so he can make snuff films (for powerful people to enjoy). That's the kind of evil that goes on in this country.

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Dumb mistakes happen.

Yep, no matter what. But do explain why in States that have created "right to carry" laws that violent crime went down drastically in just a couple of years. When the perps know you are armed they have second thoughts about harming you. Any home burglar with even a smidgen of sense doesn't enter a house at night in the U.S. while it's occupied Even if he's not killed the home invasion laws are quite strict.

In this case the homeowner had every right under the laws of nature and of man to defend his family. The burglar could have been armed and was there for more devious things. Yeah, he could have shot him in the leg or even just held him for the law but it is better to be safe than sorry. Maybe some near idiots will see this film and it might convince them to take up a new career.


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Exactly. And gun owning households, where the gun owners is not a prior felon, or in a gang, are nearly 30% safer from violence than the US average, including unarmed homes.

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Except from dumb mistakes made by someone in the home firing a gun by accident of course...But we won't mention that concept.

Remember a couple of things my friend though, the guns used at Colubine and Sunny Brook were legally owned, and if owning and carrying a gun made you safer, why do so many police officers and military personnel get killed by other people carrying weapons?

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Prior felons aren't allowed to own a gun. Ever.

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But do explain why in States that have created "right to carry" laws that violent crime went down drastically in just a couple of years.


Same reason violent crime has gone down drastically in all the other states too.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/govbeat/wp/2015/01/02/in-major-cit ies-murder-rates-drop-precipitously/

link fixed, imdb inserted a space

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Your link doesn't work for me.

But check Florida's VIOLENT crime rate before it enacted the right to carry and the 5 years after.
This was before the recent nationwide decrease. Especially in Miami-Dade county where it was way out of control with car jacking and murder of tourists in rental cars. A few years later rental companies took identifying objects off of rental cars which helped even more. Then the perp couldn't identify tourists coming from the airport and were afraid it might be a local with a gun for protection.


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Link fixed.

> This was before the recent nationwide decrease.

Violent crime has been on the decrease nationwide for 25 years.
http://www.crimetrends.com/id3.html

Please provide a link for your assertions.

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90% of people shot in the US are prior felons or gang members. If you are not on one of those criminal classes you are at lower risk of being murdered in the USA than in Australia, Canada or the developed nation average.

Same region same demographic US states with MORE gun owners and less gun laws all have less murder. Compare Virginia vs Maryland murder rates.

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The problem isn't with the right to own guns itself it's with finding a way to ensure gun owners are responsible and sane people. Conservatives always jump to the conclusion that the libs want to abolish gun ownership completely. Not a fact. Gun ownership should be a privilege, not a right, in the same way driving a car is. Conservatives always use the lame excuse "well a car can be used as a deadly weapon too". Well that's why you need to pass a driving test and get licensed and carry insurance. To own a gun in most states you just have to be breathing. All you have to do is go to any large gathering of people, or even to your own events with family or friends to see that there's probably close to 30 percent of the population that are a bit touched in the head and should never go anywhere near a gun. You fail to mention the 10 percent of killings of the decent human beings that are just going about their daily lives and just because they beep their horn at someone on the highway or look a certain way or play their music too loud, they end up getting shot by some unstable son of a bitch yahoo gun owner.

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I see no stats going up to 90%, only from 70-80%, and they are not proven gang members either, as the stats include arrests for just about everything, not just convictions for violent crime, which would actually bring the percentage to less than 25 (which would still include domestic battery). All this shows is that killers and victims are more likely to be volatile people who exhibit risky behaviour in many different ways.
Another factor is that they are more likely to be poor and live in very dense neighbourhoods, so they are going to be acquainted with gangs whether they like it or not, if even to just obtain a gun in the first place if they believe in their right to possess and carry, despite most cities having firm anti gun policies. Aside from the effects of the drug war and poverty, gun violence is the tip of the iceberg of a general gun culture that encapsulates the entirety of the US.

"what is your major malfunction numnuts?!!

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Exactly the kind of people who should be encouraged and given the means to kill each other. I don't see the big loss.

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"If you are not on one of those criminal classes you are at lower risk of being murdered in the USA than in Australia, Canada or the developed nation average."


Calling you out, thats horse *beep* real stats or none at all please.

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Agree 100%!! Gun control works and the lack of it in USA is why there are thousands more gun deaths each year than anywhere else in the world.

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If our ( former) attorney general thinks the drug cartels need them, then he shouldn't mind me owning some.

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Fist of all, nothing that happens in a movie should ever be a reason to do anything.


Second, what dumb mistake? A man who broke into another man's home with the intent to deprive him of property and possibly life, got shot and killed. The dumb mistake was made by the person who broke into the house.




"When all is said and done, a lot more will have been said than done."

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Americans can never and will never understand how every other country in the world views their absurd gun culture. The gun culture is so ingrained in Americans that it would take a very long time to gradually implement any significant change.

Is hunting and target practicing really that thrilling and interesting of a hobby? If you could no longer do one or the other would it really adversely affect your life? Even if you knew the change was all part of a greater good? How would one of you gun enthusiasts feel if your child was the victim of one of these seemingly monthly mass shootings?

No-one's suggesting changing things over-night. Change can be implemented over time. What is it going to take for people to finally wake up? Do you need something like the Paris attacks on American soil to consider change?

You'll severely regret the day something really bad happens. Lord knows what the definition of 'really bad' is to Americans. Virginia Tech wasn't bad enough. Aurora wasn't bad enough. Sandy Hook wasn't bad enough. Maybe it will have to take something the scale of the Paris attacks to wake people up. Should it have to come to that? Sadly, it seems so.

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Do you even listen to yourself? The Paris attacks happened despite a gun ban, and armed citizens were the only thing that could have reduced the death toll. Also it's ridiculous to blame Americans who want to be left alone to enjoy their freedom: the military industrial complex of course is behind gun proliferation, every government spends billions on guns, all the world powers traffic guns for hostile purposes, and every common weapon was designed and mass produced for government contracts

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Would it be possible to discuss the damn movie and not be bored silly by peoples' engraved in stone ideological stances? Simplistic moralisms bore me to tears. Let's talk about the movie folks - no one cares what you think (do you think?) about gun control.

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Op and everyone like him is a fool.. Yeah, get all your info about life from movies and tv. Great way to form an opinion.

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"Op(sic) and everyone like him is a fool.." You have never met me, but you presume to know my viewpoints. Well, you must be very clever, indeed. My point (apparently too arcane for you to grasp) is that IMDB is a website about film and film makers. There is a plethora of other websites where one can argue endlessly over politics, religion, etc., ad nauseam. On IMDB, the joy is in exchanging ideas and information about movies.

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I agree but the movie is sending a message to all who view it, hopefully a positive one in this case.

I say if you are justified where you live to own a weapon and someone wants to break into your home then you must decide if you want to live or die.

I choose to live.

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Well good for you and your obsession. Personally, I could care less about your attitudes toward America's gun culture. Your ideas on this subject are of no interest to me. Could we talk about the movie now?

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And jealous foreigners (most likely subsidized by the US) can never understand that Americans don't give a rats ass about how "every other country in the world" views our "gun culture". Tend to your own garden and get off the US's teat.

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