IOC: No Proof found Chinese cheated


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,408541,00.html

This is the latest statement post by Fox News, and they believe this matter will be "put to rest".

After reading this, i truly hope the US Gymnastic Committee would give it a rest, leave those poor girls alone! First they hired a hacker to invade those girls' privacy, and then they sent a letter to IOC to prompt them to carry out this on-going harrassment-like investigation. Stop being such a sore loser and accept the fact that you are lost. Those girls look young because they are asians. American women usually are more powerful and mature looking than the Chinese. It's not just the Chinese team, but the Japanese team also looks awfully young too. It's a question of race.

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Well, it really doesn't matter now anyway. It's over and done with. I mentioned on another site that I don't put any blame on the girls or the coaches. I put more blame on the IOC. It was total laziness on their part. They should have asked for further documentation - unless they really thought some of the girls looked 16. For all we know, the underaged gals were probably the only gymnasts who were good enough to make the Olympic team, so maybe they were desperate. But the IOC still should have caught it. I mean, get serious now.

As for the US complaining about it: Now, don't go saying the "U.S. should have won" because it's the U.S. Honestly? I thought in the team competitions both the men and women performed very poorly. As I watched them perform I was thinking these were the worst US teams I had ever seen. The judges were very generous in their scoring with the Americans - the men in my opinion shouldn't have even medaled. The fact that they got a bronze medal was very generous scoring on the judge's part. The women (as a team) weren't much better. Plus, if you have two girls who are injured don't have them sitting on the bench with the able bodied gymnasts - if they can't perform, there's no point in having them there. The US team did suffer due to their (perhaps) better gymnasts being injured. Yes, they TRIED - but gymnast after gymnast performed so sloppily. It's one thing for one gymnast to mess up, but they all messed up one after another. It was so disappointing - I almost couldn't watch it. Some gymnasts complained they were nervous - Oh like we're supposed to feel sorry for you because you had to wait an extra 5 minutes before going to the apparatus and you got "shaken up" - this is the Olympics - not some small time competition. You need to be better focused. That was such an amateurish and immature thing for the gymnast to say. You have no one to blame but yourself. I mean the Women's team got silver, that's not all that terrible. It just means they're second best in the world.

Even though China did cheat - you have to admit, they did perform better than the US team did. Think about it: The Chinese men's team performed very well, and who was better than the women's Chinese team? Romania? Russia? It certainly wasn't the U.S. team. Russia performed pretty bad as well and USUALLY they medal.

Mind you, I'm American, and proud to see the United States at the Olympics - but it's just disappointing when you know these athletes have the ability to do very well and they end up pulling an extremely poor performance.

During the individual Finals THAT'S when the U.S. salvaged themselves. I was thinking "FINALLY". The gymnasts performed better individually than they did as a team. Hopefully when the 2012 games come around, they'll be better.


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Those girls look young because they are asians.
No, they look young because they ARE too young.

It's not just their looks that people are going by here. Their ages have been listed all over the place in China as being too young for the games, and then, a year or so before they started all of that changed, and they suddenly got new birthdays.

The IOC using documents submitted today by the Chinese is a joke. Their government creates these kind of documents every day for regular citizens, it would take no effort at all for them to create one with false information.

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they are cheaters

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agreed.



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and have their gold medals been taken away yet?

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I think it's normal for american to complain about chinese gymnastic about posibility underage or about unfair score. But some poster make bigger complain, and some even think USA should win Olympic with this problem.
first, there is no substantial proof only observation, and that mean it need to be investigate. Second, it only effect on maximum 3 gold medals, and to be honest USA not perform really great in women team event, even if their gold medals taken, USA still ranked no. 2 (If you like overall medal count, you still ranked no. 1 whatever happen).
If you think, China doesn't deserve to win this olympic because of this, do you think USA doesn't deserve winning in sidney?

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Ok first of all, you must not speak very good english because I could barely comprehend what you were trying to say. Second of all you're wrong about a number of things.

It doesnt just affect the US. It affects all the other girls from the other countries who play by the rules and get robbed out of a medal by a child who wasn't supposed to be there.

The US did a fine job in the team event. They had a few major issues at the end but the Chinese did so as well. So for you to be "honest" and say that they didn't do that great even though with 2 falls and 3 out of bounds they were still able to secure a silver medal. They had to do pretty good to still get second place after making such large mistakes, right? If ALL the Chinese girls are at least 16, which I doubt, then they rightfully deserve their team gold. However, if they are not, they deserve to have the golds stripped and given to the team that played by the rules.

The gold around He Kexin's neck doesn't deserve to be there regardless of her age. Actually, both her and Nastia should have gotten their gold medals. It wasn't fair to Nastia but of course more than fair to the Chinese. Although if He is found to be 14 (like she is)that gold medal deserves to be around Nastia's neck and Beth Tweddle of Great Britain deserves her bronze.

We don't care about who has the most gold medals, we care about people winning gold medals by cheating and falsifying ages. If the US hadn't medaled at all, if we sucked so bad yet the same age problem was an issue just with a different country, I'd feel the same way. I hate when athletes cheat to win...especially at the Olympics. You don't know how pissed I was when Marion Jones admitted her doping. Seriously, I would have much rather had her end up last than to win by cheating. The same goes with the Chinese.

I also think a big reason why many people don't care about the Chinese cheating is because the hatred for America is so high that you would rather let 14 year old brats take gold medals they shouldn't have instead of seeing the American's on top.

I just hope you all remember that this isn't just about the Americans. Its about every athlete, from every country, who have worked their whole lives to make it to the Olympics legitimately.

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Sorry about my bad english. I'm Indonesian, and english probably third or probably my fourth language, and english grammar very different with Indonesian. I know this will be a problem for other who read my post, I'll try to be
What I'm trying to say is, to people who think US will be on top because this problem or people who think Chinese must be cheat in other event if chinese gymnast really cheat.
So if you think this way, there is no need this discussion in the first place. I'm not saying every poster who complain about chinese gymnast always just because their upset US is lost, but surely a lot of them exist in this thread.
I mention marion jones things, just to people who think if some member are cheating then all member must be cheating, because if I mention american they probably think differently.

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well said, sunshine09.



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I personally think it's pathetic that Sports Illustrated found an article from November 2007 stating that He Kexin was 13 at the time and put in the most recent issue, but the IOC called off the investigation in under 24 hours.

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For me, the only way they'll put it to rest is if they do bone density scans on the wrist to determine age. And they do it in the presence of someone from the IOC, FIG, and Chinese government rep or whomever. The IOC was pussy-footing around for so long, you don't think the Chinese government saw this coming? They can easily make the necessary documents. It's the science you can't refute. No one's questioning the Japanese because they don't have age discrepancies popping up on the internet, their girls don't sound coached, and they're not the ones hosting the olympics and already showing that they've faked things, and they are not pulling down sites moments after they're publicly discovered. i can only imagine these reporters bing dragged away to some hidden camp to be beaten with bamboo sticks.. it's just all suspicious.

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What do the Japanese gymnasts have to do with any of this?

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That would be a nice argument if the only reason people were calling their ages into question was based on looks.

Unfortunately it's not.

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It's not just websites. It's also reports from the Chinese news media, which by the way, is government controlled.

He was also listed as being born in 1994 in several competition rosters from China.

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Government overrides government
What does that even mean?

If you believe she's 14 then why the hell are you arguing about this with people?

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I know the government can change whatever they want. That's why the IOC shouldn't take government documents as proof. They create them every day for regular citizens, it wouldn't be hard to just make one up with false information.

While I know she is 14(not born on january 1st though...more like the last week december of 1993) I dont want her gold medals taken
So you're fine with blatant cheating then? Glad I know who I'm dealing with now.

How about all the other athletes that actually followed the rules and are now totally screwed because China felt like being a bunch of greedy lying jackasses?

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While I am 100% sure of all of their ages the IOC cannot find 100% proof so I wouldnt them taking away medals if they were not 100% sure
Awesome. "I know they're cheating, but it's cool because the officials will never be sure."

And you didn't answer my question about the other athletes.

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If the IOC really cared about fairness they would of found the truth
You just got done saying that they might find the truth, but could never prove it for 100%.

Sucks for the athletes...but life isnt fair
You know what? You're right. Life isn't fair.

But the Olympics should be.

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I don't care when you think they "stopped being fair." If someone gets caught cheating, they should be punished for it.

China cheating like this spits in the face of everything the Olympics stand for. They're supposed to be about the spirit of competition and unity among the world. Cheating to win is one of the most disgraceful thing a country could possibly do.

But I'm glad your strong moral convictions allow you to think it's a-ok.

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I know that.

You're also saying that you personally know for a fact that they're cheating, and you're ok if they get away with it.

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I never called you the IOC.

And you just said several posts earlier that if they wanted to find out the truth they would have. You're contradicting yourself.

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And ALL of Hes information came from the government which can change anything they want

They can't change reality.

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I don't believe this. I looked it up on Google and Fox News website was the only one so far to report this. I don't believe that this matter is being put to rest when there is other proof on another website that shows documents that some of the girls are underage.

Plus, I don't believe Fox is a reliable news source since its Rupert Murdoch, Republican minded evil.

Dwight, you ignorant slut.

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Even if they are underage, don't you think that it would be a little rude just to take away their medals after all the hard work they did?

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Don't you think it would be a little rude to tell all those other athletes who actually followed the rules and deserved those medals "Sorry, you're screwed." after all the hard work THEY did?

Someone who gets caught cheating should NEVER prevail over a legitimate competitor. Period.

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is there any proof that they cheated though?

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The question you asked included "even if they are underage."

If they are underage, they cheated.

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I don't understand why people care so much about the feelings of these chinese girls being based on the training system there is no proof what so ever the girls give a damn about being in the olympics or care about winning medels. They stated more than once that the older chinese girl, I am sorry I don't remember her name, begged her parents to go home and that she didn't want to do it anymore but her parents made her stay and now the government has given her family a house (one she is yet to see).

IMO gymnastics is simply a job to these girls they go where they are told, do what they are told and say what they are told because they are terrified of dissapointing their families who see them as bread winners and terrified of the government who can take everything away from them as quickly as it's come.

And the thing is that the age rules were put in place for exactly that type of situation, to protect both the mental and physical health of the girls and their all around well being.

It is obvious that nothing is going to be done because either the IOC is scared of china, doesn't to offend them or just flat out don't care, but the fact they know these girls are being abused like this, abuse they thought was bad enough that they made rules to protect them and is doing nothing when it is blindingly obvious these girls are at the very most 14, is just plain criminal.

To let china get away with this without even a slap on the wrist is wrong. People know how old those girls are but no one will talk because they are terrified of the government, and if china gets away with it now then they will obviously do it again in the future which is unfair to all the girls who played by the rules and unfair to the girls who are being trained like professional athletes at the age of 10 years old and probably don't even know how to read or have anything resempling a normal life because their country has to prove they are better than other countries by having the most gold medels.

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No, not at all.

Do you think it was rude to take Marion Jones medals? She worked hard too.

You break a rule, you get DQed!

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Even if they are underage, don't you think that it would be a little rude just to take away their medals after all the hard work they did?

They don't seem to mind taking the medals away from all the people who finished below them who competed fairly, so why should I think it rude to strip away their medals if they cheated?

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No proof found, but its probably out there!

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She was also born Russian too!

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Thats BS! It's not only their looks. There were stories before the Olympics started coming from various newspapers. The rumbling started BEFORE, so its not about being a sore loser or race.

Why did two official Chinese websites, now blocked, say "He", that's her name, was born in 1994?

There was a Chinese newspaper that profiled the team, and had her listed earlier this year as 14.

She was supposedly announced at a November 2007 event as 13.

The Chinese showed a passport, issued in Feb. 2008, that says she was born Jan 1 1992.

When they debunk these stories, and prove that these stories are false, people will rest easier.

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No one seems to realize the fact that if these girls are 12 or 14 or whatever, then the rest of the world got beat and want to admit they got beat by kids? I mean does everyone really want these Chinese girls older so they can beat down on them even worse? The fact is that the Chinese girls were better, it shouldn't matter their age at all. The US, Romanian, Russian, et all teams did not do as well and therefore did not get gold. China did get gold because they were far superior. The question of age should be irrelevant.

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No one seems to realize the fact that if these girls are 12 or 14 or whatever, then the rest of the world got beat and want to admit they got beat by kids? I mean does everyone really want these Chinese girls older so they can beat down on them even worse? The fact is that the Chinese girls were better, it shouldn't matter their age at all. The US, Romanian, Russian, et all teams did not do as well and therefore did not get gold.
In most sports, you'd be right that getting beaten by younger kids would be embarrassing, but gymnastics is different. Smaller bodies are better. The combination of the type of training that the Chinese gymnasts get from the government, and the fact that they're younger and smaller mean they have a natural advantage over other athletes who are older.

Consider that this rule was put in place to prevent child exploitation and unfair natural physical advantage. If these gymnasts are the age that people think they are, both of those things are exactly what is going on.

You also have to consider that every other country followed the rules. Nastia Liukin probably could have made the Olympic team in 2004, but didn't try because she was a year too young. She followed the rules instead of getting a fake passport and going anyway. China should be subject to the same rule.

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The question of age should be irrelevant, IF there wasn't a rule that stated they have to be 16!

Who cares if they got beat by 12 years old? The fact is, if they are 12, they should not be there!

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what ended up happening? did they end up taking their medals? i don't really know lol

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As an American I too hope they give it a rest. Goodness. Regardless of their age, those girls did great. At the end of the day the top two American gymnist got a gold, now everyone can be happy.

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^ i agree! but did they end up taking away the medals? i'm not really updated lol

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Regardless of their age, those girls did great.

So did Ben Johnson, Marion Jones, Kim Jong Su, Antonio Pettigrew, Lyudmila Blonska, Adrian Annus, Ivan Ivanov, Izabela Dragneva, Robert Fazekas, and so on and so on.

It's not a question of whether they "did great." It's a question of whether the gymnastics team deliberately broke the rules of the sport. Cheating is not "doing great." It is wrong morally, ethically, and is completely unfair to all the athletes who follow the rules.

At the end of the day the top two American gymnist got a gold, now everyone can be happy.

I'm sorry you think the only reason I care is because I want the Americans to win. I care because I think cheating in sports, especially the Olympic Games, completely goes against everything sporting competition is supposed to stand for.

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If the IOC found no proof then what's the point of beating a dead horse. Do you have more inside knowledge than the IOC? why do you believe the story that somebody hacked into the computer system and found their Id's. You believe a hacker found their Id's because you want to believe that the Chinese cheated.

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The IOC hasn't found proof yet of anything, its still under investigation.

Dwight, you ignorant slut.

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Prove that it's still under investigation.. I'd like to see that as a fact, and don't pull up news from four day ago...what is the IOC saying about it today?

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i disagree with the OP. first of all, it's not invading in their privacy because the chinese plain CHEATED, and the matter needs to be investigated. and it doesn't matter what race you are, everyone's body grows the same way. that's how God made everyone. it's like trying to say that a fresh egg does not come from the same source as a rotten egg does. it's absolute absurdity.



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This is from yesterday:

http://www.radioaustralia.net.au/news/stories/200808/s2344933.htm?tab= latest

IOC investigates claims China falsified age of gymnasts

The International Olympic Committee says there appears, on the surface, to be no problem with the ages of the Chinese Gymnasts at the Beijing Games.

The IOC says it has taken allegations that Chinese officials have falsified the age of at least one of its gymnasts very seriously.

There is also an allegation that He Kexin's age was subseqently altered from 14 to 16 on the internet so that she could compete.

The IOC President Jacque Rogge says the International Gymnastic Federation is investigating through a document search and will report back.

Meanwhile Chinese officials now say the gymnast incorrectly registered her name at an event last year leading to incorrect reporting at the time.

Dwight, you ignorant slut.

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If the IOC found no proof then what's the point of beating a dead horse.

The investigation is less than a week old. It takes several months to investigate such a thing properly.

Do you have more inside knowledge than the IOC?

I have the words of the IOC president in his interview with Bob Costas. He said very plainly that the Gymnastics federation will do the investigation.

why do you believe the story that somebody hacked into the computer system and found their Id's.

I haven't said anything either way about it. I'm not saying the gymnasts are definitely guilty -- I'm saying that a thorough investigation is warranted. If a thorough investigation reveals that their true ages are 16 or over, then there's no problem.

What I don't want to see is either 1) a team blatantly cheating and getting away with it, or 2) a Mickey Mouse investigation done purely to pretend something is being done.

You believe a hacker found their Id's because you want to believe that the Chinese cheated.

I'll thank you not to put words in my mouth. I want to believe that cheaters get their just deserts. If the Chinese team did not cheat, then I see no problem and congratulations to them. If they did cheat, then they deserve their medals stripped. Regardless, the athletic community at large deserves to know that a thorough, unbiased investigation was performed and revealed the facts of the case, whatever those end up being.

I would say the same thing if the gymnasts in question were American.

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