It was hard to watch. Wood looked like she was 15 (I know she's not, but you get my drift), and he's in his 60's. Creepy stuff.
shareRich, successful, powerful guys like and attract younger women, and all the rest of the guys want to do the same. Kind of a fact of nature. Nature's creepy, people are creepy, it's just the way things are. Why not make a movie about it instead of denying it or pretending it's not there?
shareBut it's not the norm. It's old and tired. No one really feels like hearing it any more (which is why Woody is not the box office success he once was). It just becomes another perverted old man's fantasy. Woody is becoming an anacronism. I agree. Just a creepy old man fantasy. Maybe because he's become a creepy old man?
shareI'm almost 63 and no young woman in Hollywood would fall for me. Unless she's mentally ill, of course. Because I work in law enforcement I make enough money to get by but that's it.
Just once in my life I'd love to see some beautiful young actress or model fall for a plumber or truck driver who's older than her father. Nope. It's always a top actor, director, or producer.
Sure it's money ... why do you think some people work so hard. Notice how many people get divorced now ... the majority. People do what they like until they find they don't like it anymore, then they do something else. It's not creepy to figure out how to get what you want ... unless you are being a criminal.
shareI think this is a topic that needs to be revived. First of all, did you actually enjoy this movie?
Is this to be an empathy test?
LOL for once in my life I'd like to see a young handsome actor fall for an everyday 63 year old woman. Men like you are just repulsive.
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It's called "The Graduate"
share1. Anne Bancroft looked great in the graduate and I'm pretty sure she was no where near 60..more like mid 40s.
2. I'm not sure I'd call Dustin Hoffman handsome.
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thanks for the voting history link.
BUT, you gave Pulp fiction 2/10 ?!!!!!!!
that right there assails your critic credibility like a fat man at a donut buffet.
and woody is creepy. a rich creepy dude. i love cye and was bummer to see larry d. in this.
"and the important thing is that indicted and convicted are two different things."
and dustin hoffman was 30!
shareShe was only four years older than Hoffman, and anyway that's not the same thing. Horny young graduates will put it anywhere where it's welcome. Young men do have older women fantasies or at least they did in those days when it was hard to get a girlfriend to 'go the whole way' without commitment, but as far as I know older women don't have them about younger men in the main
shareShe was only four years older than Hoffman, and anyway that's not the same thing. Horny young graduates will put it anywhere where it's welcome. Young men do have older women fantasies or at least they did in those days when it was hard to get a girlfriend to 'go the whole way' without commitment, but as far as I know older women don't have them about younger men in the main
shareGood Heavens, get your facts strait! When they filmed "The Graduate," Anne Bancroft was 36 and Dustin Hoffman was 30!
shareIt's called Harold And Maude. Don't see many 21st-century remakes of that in the pipeline, do ya?
shareThats it! I couldnt think of the name of the movie...
Harold and Maude. A young 2o-something falls for a 60 year old woman. Of course there is no way Hollywood, or an old pervy Wody Allen, would make that film today.
Maude is seventy-nine in Harold and Maude (she turns eighty at the end). Harold is twenty, so we're talking an age gap of some six decades.
shareor "Afterglow"--but those are Canadians so...you know...it's different thinkin up there.
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Harold & Maude (1971)
Notes On A Scandal (2006)
Well its not the same is it. An older male can still start a family, an older female cannot. Its why it rarely happens. And why science shows that older men with younger wives live longer, whereas the oppposite results in the older woman expiring sooner:P
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Which is what the huge majority of females desires. Not that he dies, but to form a couple with an older, not so seldom much older, male. Reasons being several, none of which driving us to see nature as benevolent to the woman kind ;).
shareTruth is repulsive, or it may easily appear so owing to all mystifications we get imbued with by the purposed-for educational system.
People who speak truth end up by feeling repulsive too, therefore.
However, it's nice to see that common viewers are less adverse tu evidence than critics (see Metacritics reviews for this film).
Hey, cops can do this too. Look at Detective Drew Peterson of Bolingbrook, Illinois--he's like 50 years old and he's had a succession of young twenty-something brides. When one young wife dies in the bathtub he has a string of young women lined up to become the next Mrs. Drew Peterson. Go figure.
shareAll men are creepy, and old men are creepy, all women are creepy, and all old women are creepy. This creepy old guy seems to be able to successfully make movies that he enjoys and other people pay to go see. Maybe that makes him less creepy than you think. Since his heyday in the 70's Woody's popularity has declined as his movies have gotten less mainstream. I like that, I am so sick of mainstream movies, they just seem to get worse and worse, but every once in a while Woody puts a great one. "Match Point" was fantastic. "Vicky Cristina Barcelona" ... where else can you get this stuff? Fantastic. Javier Bardem ... creepy man approaching middle age. We call people creepy when they expose their human needs and desires, it is a way of repressing us into pretending we are something we are not ... we're all creepy.
shareExactly! There are plenty of creepy old women who would love to get at the beautiful young men. But the creepy old women don't have the socio-economic power to attain their boy-toys... They don't have the POWER that the creepy old men do.
It's all about Power...
some do!
shareAin't that the truth @ bruce-129. I know a woman who is in her 70s and she will tell you straight up that she likes what young men do for her. She has one right now, pays his rent and other incidentals. I say go, girl!
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My favourite toe-curling moment was in Everyone Says I love You in which the 60 something Allen wrote, starred and directed and had a scene where he is in bed with Julia Roberts and she is having to paw over him saying "hey you were fantastic last night."
You wish mate
Woody's got so much power that he actually pulled it off. If you think that older men with money aren't scoring with young women, you're crazy. Every man wants a young woman, and if he has enough power, money, and social status, he can get it at any age.
shareYeah, Billionaire Oprah has no power. rolls eyes
sharePeople are creepy. The experiment has failed. Humanity is gross. Creators: pull the plug. But at least let us laugh about how disgusting we are before we go.
shareLOL ... I just think there is a chance for humanity if we learn what to expect and owe each other. It is a waste of time as the frog found out complaining about the nature of the scorpion. We might as well laugh about it and try to understand it instead of making up fairy tales about how sweet we are.
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sorry, but you have the life philosophy of a three year old and it would only be impressive to goth girls.
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All men are creepy, and old men are creepy, all women are creepy, and all old women are creepy. This creepy old guy seems to be able to successfully make movies that he enjoys and other people pay to go see. Maybe that makes him less creepy than you think. Since his heyday in the 70's Woody's popularity has declined as his movies have gotten less mainstream. I like that, I am so sick of mainstream movies, they just seem to get worse and worse, but every once in a while Woody puts a great one. "Match Point" was fantastic. "Vicky Cristina Barcelona" ... where else can you get this stuff? Fantastic. Javier Bardem ... creepy man approaching middle age. We call people creepy when they expose their human needs and desires, it is a way of repressing us into pretending we are something we are not ... we're all creepy.
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Wait a minute, weren't you the guy on the Benjamin Button board who was trying to convince everyone what a morally repugnant movie it was because Benjamin left his wife not long after his daughter was born? Dood, you need therapy, not an internet connection... please give it a try, seriously, and try to stop projecting *your* issues onto the outside world via your keyboard. i.e. I must wonder, exactly who is *pretending* here?
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Ummm...his last 4 films cost $60 million to make and grossed $240 million.
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That's one of the most pseudo scientific bulls-t comments I have ever read. You expose a deep
ignorance of just about everything with that statement.
First, the keystone of your fallacy is that a 60 year old is something that should not or would not
exist. That is ignorant of statistics. There have been old people as long as there were old people.
Just as there are old catfish at the bottom of the lake, or whales in the sea, or lions on the plain,
the older more wiser, more experienced are always with us. The fact that most of everything dies
young to leave the lucky and the wise alive is the refutation of your theory. The fact that we have
brains and memories, and can learn means that the longer a human lives the more they learn and
know and learn to apply. This is one of the reason not many people can stand young men, when
they are running around trying to screw or fight everything to prove that they do have some value.
Aside from sexual attractiveness which is one dimension of existence, the young men you mention
are the sons of the older men you think they would kill off or see killed off. What a brutal Hobbsian
view of life you have, I hope it is not from being in horrible abusive situations yourself.
Argh ... you are so clueless you are funny - or maybe not even funny.
By the way, where did you study "Nature"? Maybe you above all need to find an old man wise enough
to protect you from your own ignorance ... except that I imagine from your bitter outlook of life
you are not very attractive to anyone.
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There have always been old people ... just because the average person in history lived a short time does not mean there were not some people who had robust natures and survived injury. That is basic statistics.
Did you even see the movie? You sound like you just want to rant. No one is saying it is an everyday occurance or that the woman would look like Evan Rachel Wood.
You might just as well say that women are attracted to younger men for their bodies only because they are all stupid.
You are just talking about compromised people make in the best interest of their own survival, and there are all modes of that can and do occur, to deny it is just what I have been saying about you.
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Man, I'd fight you right now if I wasn't about to screw something. You motherflipper you.
I'm better than you.
Wait a minute, wait a minute! This guy wasn't a successful, powerful guy. He was an intellectual also-ran, blow-hard whose bark was worse than his bite (cliche). He appealed to her because he filled in for what she felt was missing in herself which is another old-as-time reason for people to hitch up. I think it's unfair to see this film as the simple age/wealth exchange.
share He was an intellectual also-ran, blow-hard whose bark was worse than his bite (cliche). He appealed to her because he filled in for what she felt was missing in herself which is another old-as-time reason for people to hitch up. I think it's unfair to see this film as the simple age/wealth exchange.
I was wondering when somebody was going to point this out. I think the character said that she confused his ranting for brilliance was correct. And she did love him for a while, it's possible!
Marianne
Rich, successful, powerful guys like and attract younger women, and all the rest of the guys want to do the same.You're half-right.
Kind of a fact of nature.It ain't nature; it's a social construct. If, for the past 5,000 years, humans had lived in matriarchal societies, men would be cozying up to women for security and protection.
> in fact, many of them find their peers sexy! SHOCKING!
People find sexy people sexy, it has not that much to do with age
except age takes its toll on sexiness and healthiness. I see lots
of attractive older women, but they are often just as transparent
as the men they complain about are too.
> It ain't nature; it's a social construct. If, for the past 5,000 years, humans had lived in matriarchal societies, men would be cozying up to women for security and protection.
Well, true, except that is not what happened in nature, so it is not
natural.
> What Pervy Allen did and what he continues to try to rationalize thru his movies IS creepy
So, you blame a woman, because she was a woman, who made her own
choices. I think what you seem to resent is that Woody got to do what
he got to do, that is create a relationship with a younger women who
was attracted to him for whatever reason. Who is to blame there? What
is your problem. Who was hurt or ripped off or damaged?
You don't like it, so he is a perv. It is clear that Woody and Mia had a
very toxic relationship.
I'm curious as to what you think the problem was there and how you would
fix it? What if people do not agree with you?
Everytime you read the word "Creepy" in any of these posts, you have to do a shot!
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Your feelings of creepiness are yours alone. Anyone with a worldview that extends past their front door doesn't find the slightest thing creepy about this film. Try to not project your own xenophobic psychological pathologies on the external world, please...Kthanx.
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But, who do you think is creepier, Hefner or Woody?
shareIt is creepy...but only because it's just prostitution overall. At the end of the day, if young women want to be with old men I really don't care. If a guy can accept that he's being used for money & security, that's fine with me. (I'm making an exception for people truly in love of course.)
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Woody Allen did the young girlfriend thing better in his very good movie called "Manhattan"
sharejebbika wrote:
"LOL for once in my life I'd like to see a young handsome actor fall for an everyday 63 year old woman. Men like you are just repulsive."
But 63 year old women can't give us children. Young women can, and that's why we're naturally attracted to them. It's an instinctual thing, embedded into our genetic code like fight or flight, survival of the fittest, etc.
I am just thankful there was no bedroom scene with the old man and the young girl. Or was there? I walked out when the ex-husband was in the bar.
shareSee: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1178663/board/nest/143460017
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I'm a straight, middle-aged male who's always had a thing for older women, although now that I'm older, younger women appeal to me more. Is that creepy? If so, why? I'm wondering if people using the term "creepy" are using it the way conventional people use the term "weird:" i.e., meaning "not the norm in my tribe." (For example, I'm an ex-Manhattanite who now lives in a Southern city that is pretty much a suburb wrapped around a slum. I've been called "weird" because--I'm not making this up--I read a lot.)
I still prefer women my own general age group, and would prefer Patricia Clarkson over Evan Rachel Wood anyday; but if someone as young and as pretty as Ms. Wood somehow miraculously developed romantic feelings for me, would it be "creepy" to act on that? I think it would be stupid not to.
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"What's middle-aged to you? Late 30s to 50s? Wouldn't it feel a bit wrong if you were in your 60s or 70s?"
I'm in my 50s, and I think of myself as "young middle-age." But I take very good care of myself, and it helps that I am genetically blessed with a good head of hair.. The whole concept of what's middle aged has changed drastically since I was a kid. And yes, for me to be genuinely middle aged, I have to live past 100, but that's what I'm intending to do, and it will probably be more common to be over 100.
As for "Wouldn't it feel a bit wrong if you were in your 60s or 70s?" I'll let you know if if I'm in my 60s or '70s and I'm fortunate enough to have a much-younger, nice-looking woman attracted to me. Seems unlikely, but I hope I find out. It would certainly feel unusual, because I've never been involved with a woman significantly my junior, and most of the twentysomethings I see around me appear to be pretty stupid, like those young people on Leno's "Jaywalking" segment who think Lincoln was president when Columbus discovered America. But "wrong"? Why would it? Are we talking logic here, or simply cultural prejudice?
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I'm 14 years older than my wife and no one can tell there is an age difference.
Anyway, it seems like this movie is NOT saying it's okay to be with women who are twice as young as you. The main character ends up with someone who is closer to his own age at the end because the first relationship DIDN'T work. Did anyone catch that?
"The main character ends up with someone who is closer to his own age at the end because the first relationship DIDN'T work. Did anyone catch that?"
I did. Although we can only guess how the relationship with the Jessica Hecht character will work out, or if it does work out. If she's a New Agey type, as she seems to be, she might have less of a shot than Melody, despite the narrower age gap. Boris isn't exactly a prize, and it may be that what he really needs is someone naive and full of wide-eyed wonder at what a genius he is. I don't know that he'll get that from the older and (one hopes) more experienced psychic. But maybe he'll get other things he needs.
The closest I ever came to a romantic relationship with a woman significantly younger than myself was when I was in my mid-forties and my upstairs neighbor was a very pretty and smart young woman about twenty years my junior. I was greatly attracted to her but figured she wouldn't be interested in an "old man" like me. I also figured that there would be a great cultural differences between the two of us, and while there were some, I was impressed that she seemed to be intellcually curious and was reading serious books even tho' she was out of college and not required to do so by some teacher. One evening when we were alone in her apartment I was getting a definite "vibe" that she was attracted to me, but I didn't act on it because I was hesitant to get involved with someone living so close by. Too bad, because she moved out shortly thereafter, and I also found out that she apparently had a thing for older, culturally literate men.
"Old story. Old buck, young doe--each has something the other needs."--John Wayne (as Davy Crockett) to the young, beautiful Linda Cristal in THE ALAMO.
Thanks for the story, Bilwick.
Sometimes when I'm thinking of a situation in my life I would like to have done a different way, I think of these songs lyrics from Beth Orton:
"What's the use in regrets? They're just things we haven't done yet. What are regrets? They're just lessons we haven't learned yet."
Sounds like in your case the lesson is "Some women find older, literate men attractive."
A confident, intelligent man is what attracts women. If it's only money or status they're after, that's the wrong kind of woman.
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I'd add confident, intelligent, good looking, financially stable, and high social status.
You can be confident all day long but if you're ugly, most women won't look twice. If you have money and status, even if you're ugly, you can get any woman.
I think it's wrong when older men date young women who are clearly much less mature than they are--they're clearly doing it for the ass or to reclaim some lost youth or something.
Woody Allen is a creep in real life, having slept with his own young step daughter. It's not surprising this would show in his "art".
That said, anyone that finds this movie repulsive, certainly would be shocked at Lolita (1962)
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I'm pretty sure Soon Yi would have been his step daughter only if Mia Farrow and he had been married which they never were. They never even lived together.
Also, I don't remember in Manhattan Woody's character ever asking Tracy to be faithful.
Love,
Marianne