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There is no 'God', 'G-D'


I just saw this movie and I had just read the Bible NIV from Genesis to Kings II. I was going to read the rest up to but not including Proverbs etc.

I must point out that I am a bedraggled refugee from the Roman Catholic Church, now Atheist As I Roman Catholic I was not taught much of the OT: only Genesis and Exodus. I now know why. From Exodus on it is all killing, slaughter in the name of the "God" of the Hebrews. The bible counts the number of those slain - at least 3 million, not counting the victims of the "Great Flood" (Which NEVER happened). For me enough was enough. I tore up that bible. That "God" was the most bloodthirsty ethnic-cleanser; a mysogyynist homophobic racist (to quote Richard Dawkins). Exodus relates how Moses (existence doubtful) received the Ten Commandments from "The Lord his God". One of the Commandments says: "Thou Shalt Not Kill". From then on "The Lord, God" orders the mass slaugther of about 3 million people.

Of course anyone with any intelligence must see that the bible is the worst book of fiction ever written. My Atheism came about because I studied Science and the Universe. NOTHING can be created nor destroyed. That is a fundamental law of nature.

This movie certainly proved my ideas as did my reading of the bible: that there was no "God/Creator"

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so?



the cliffsss of insaniteeeeee!

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The new evangelical atheists are worse than the bloody God botherers.
If I have to listen/read another quote from the Prophet Dawkins I think I'll puke.
Self-satisfied, sanctimonious, Jehovah Doesn't Exist Witnesses = total tosspots.

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"If I have to listen/read another quote from the Prophet Dawkins I think I'll puke."

Pro-tip: You never "had to" listen to or read any of them. Free will, eh old chap!

I mean, it's not like we're knocking on your doors or preaching on your street corners you self-satisfied, sanctimonious asshat.

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Yep you're definitely a pro!

Evangelical Atheist

You have a message that is as perverted by hatred as many religious people.
It's a new religion as divisive as the older ones. You are a zealot.

You hide behind 'reason' and 'science' to spout your bile in the same way that religious people hide behind supposed revealed 'truths' in The Bible.

You are the opposite side of the same tarnished coin.

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I mean, it's not like we're knocking on your doors or preaching on your street corners you self-satisfied, sanctimonious asshat.



@ rabid_si .>> No.. however, those of your ilk make sure you visit every forum on the internet to preach your atheism .... and ridicule those of faith.

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although i dont go around bothering religious people, gosh that would be annoying as many religious people are annoying... I see where my fellow atheist come from as religion is a major problem for humankind...

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"I mean, it's not like we're knocking on your doors or preaching on your street corners you self-satisfied, sanctimonious asshat."

I have met a LOT of atheists who come to my bar table, or my coffee table, start preaching, and you know what happens every time? When you question their arguments (which you didn't want to hear in the first place, and which are often as bad and fallacious as the arguments made by christians), they start using the exact kind of vocabulary presented above. Which also counts as an ad hominem argumentative fallacy.

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Wow - you took the words out of my mouth. I have been an Atheist since I was a small child. I was sent to religious school as a child and I felt like I was being fed nothing but stupidity, and hours of my life were being wasted. As an adult, and learning about human tragedies, in particular the horror of the Holocaust, it pretty much reinforced my feelings that there is absolutely no God. I believe in science, and nothing more.

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Same here, no religious school but religious lessons and such, all in all, it's all so pointless, redundant and meaningless.

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Of course anyone with any intelligence must see that the bible is the worst book of fiction ever written.


A matter of opinion. I believe that Richard Dawkins, for example, believes that the literary qualities of the King James Bible are considerable...

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Of course anyone with any intelligence must see that the bible is the worst book of fiction ever written.

A matter of opinion. I believe that Richard Dawkins, for example, believes that the literary qualities of the King James Bible are considerable...


Some opinions are better than others. Also, it is a matter of fact, not opinion.

Dawkins makes it quite clear to the intelligent reader that the "literary" worth of the King James translation far exceeds that of its worth as a source of historical truth. The phrase "worst book of fiction" clearly is meant to underscore two ideas: one, it is fiction, and two, it is bad because it claims not to be fiction. Well, three ideas. Put the first two ideas together with the fact that this book is so widely read and promoted (is there any other book you expect to find in your hotel drawer?), and suddenly it becomes clear why the wonderful poetry of the KJV translation could be described as "the worst book of fiction ever written". It is not bad because the translation is unpoetic, it is bad because it promotes, in such a stunning literary way, moral lessons, palpable lies, and supernatural offences to Natural Law.

It is bad because it dresses up b-s. It is also bad, I suppose, because it is not even really a book. It is actually a heavily redacted and edited collection of writings that span thousands of years. It is like taking memoirs, poetry, war letters, philosophical inquiries written by people who never knew each other and lived incredibly far apart in history, people from completely different societies, and then putting copies of all those texts made centuries later based on countless transcriptions and with not a single original author contributing, into a loosely edited package, and then calling the result of a translation of all that a coherent book. It is an insult upon intelligence.

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The phrase "worst book of fiction" clearly is meant to underscore two ideas: one, it is fiction, and two, it is bad because it claims not to be fiction


I would not call that clear. It looked to me as though the author wanted to underscore the idea that it is a work of fiction, that he doesn't like it, and that anyone who presumes to disagree with him on either point is an idiot.

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It looked to me as though the author wanted to underscore the idea that it is a work of fiction


Yes.

that he doesn't like it


That is implicit in the use of "worst". Not rocket science, exactly.

anyone who presumes to disagree with him on either point is an idiot


Perhaps they are. Depends on the opinion. If someone believed Americans set foot on the Moon, then anyone who presumes to disagree would be an idiot. So, arguments would have to be made, evidence offered.

He is not wrong because he thinks other people are idiots for disagreeing with him. His opinion's value does not depend upon his own character.

Argue the issue, not the person.

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It never ceaces to amaze me how people with no expertese whatsoever think their opinion on God's existance - one way or the other - would in any way be relevant to anyone but themselves.

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