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So what message are we left with?



That losing your job isn't that bad after all?

Greed is still good for some?

Belonging to the country club, having access to a private jet and golf are all symptoms of greed?

Manual labor is underrated?



I liked how each character dealt with their job loss in different ways, but felt that the ending made the entire journey futile.

Thoughts from anyone else?

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I would say that they eventually re-gained some kind of livelihood with a different perspective. Ben Affleck and Tommy Lee Jones' characters tried to hold on to their successful status symbols: fancy cars, big house, country club, etc, but ended up finding that perhaps those things just aren't as important. Ben Affleck's character ends up with a job that paid half of what he made previously; he probably isn't back to the country club just yet, nor re-buying that fancy car. He probably also gained a new-found respect for the blue-collar type jobs, and is seen to be helping his kids build a tree house late in the film.

I would say that the message is that the most important things in life isn't the material things, but family. Sure, material things are nice, but it isn't as important as taking care and being with those people who are closest.

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Thank you damnablyugly123,

I was hoping someone else got that out of this film. If you're downsized, just wait for a high-ranking executive at your former employer to also be downsized, then they can use the wealth of their accumulated portfolio to start a rival company and give you back your job. In today's age of corporate circular firing squads, this is bound to happen eventually...

Also, wasn't Mario Bella still employed at CTG? If Tommy Lee Jones was still sleeping with her, this might pose some sort of risks for the new company. Oh well, that's what sequels are for, right?

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amazing how many people missed what was an incredibly obvious point to the flick. At least mist1024 did not.

In short, the message was money doesn't buy happiness.

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If I'm not mistaken wasn't every plot line and plot twist depicted in the trailer? They showed him getting fired, not being able to find a job, working in construction, deciding to start his own business, and telling Kevin Costner that he's quitting and then he hears that he's a terrible carpenter.

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They had to make the ending a fairy tale, the one last human being in the corporate
work takes his own money and tries to start a dead industry in the United States.

There is no easy answer or realistic way to portray this, it's a sleeping pill to make
people feel better about something that is a real mess and not going to get fixed,
in fact, the Republicans want to make the US government so that it stays strictly
out of trying to fix anything ... all solutions have to come from our media-miliary
corporate ownership society which will totally control the government.

Forget America.

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They had to make the ending a fairy tale, the one last human being in the corporate work takes his own money and tries to start a dead industry in the United States.


Most of the film was a fairytale. What if you don't have family that can help you out? What if you don't have parents who will take in your whole family when you lose your home?

The Ben Affleck character had everything yet he still whined about losing his overpaid job. Of course he would--who wouldn't want to make over $100,000/year plus perks; drive a Porsche; and live in a beautiful home. At least he had a supportive and loving wife, children, and family that was willing to take them in; plus the brother-in-law (who he looked down on) giving him a job.

I don't know too many people who have all that support when they're down.

The message I was left with was, everything will be okay as long as you have people looking out for you. Of course, this excludes many people in the real world.










"And all the pieces matter"

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Good points ... the message I was left with was how encouraged Americans are to take being an untihinking a-hole for granted.

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I didn't think there was much of a fariytale about this, although there were a couple of things I thought were unrealistic. Bobby Walker's situation was fairly realistic I thought, and possibly quite typical of someone on a high salary who had the carpet yanked from under his feet. He was unprepared for this as he basically seemd to live beyond his means and saved nothing. This is not atypical of high-earners. Furthermore he was in denial for a while, kept the Porsche, had it detailed, didn't want to give up anything, and expected to get another job in the same salary bracket. This is another mistake high-flyers typically make, the generally want a new job earning the same salary and often this is simply not possible.

But Bobby Walker survived because he got realistic about his situation, and, yes, he had a supportive and realistic wife. He got through it. Phil Woodward, OTOH, didn't survive. Presumably his wife wasn't supportive, he couldn't deal with the shame of losing his job, seemed to spend his days drinking until it was time to go home and the result was the worst outcome for him. When something like this happens you need to take whatever steps are necessary to survive. Bobby did, Phil didn't. People get retrenched everyday and they don't all end up committing suicide, so I don't see why this was a fantasy.

What I found unrealistic were two things:
1) Gene McClary, at his age, starting up a brand new business in what is probably a sunset industry when most poeople in his situation would probably opt for the golf course
2) Sally Willcox, something of a ball-breaker when it came to deciding who got retrenched and who stayed, suddenly getting a conscience attack and leaving GTX to throw in with McClary. I just couldn't see that happening.

If I got any other message it was that no one is safe in the corporate world. No matter how long you have been there, what experience you have, what you know, what you're capable of, at the end of the day employees are merely resources that can be offloaded when necessary.

When I said I wanted to be a comedian, they all laughed at me. Well, they're not laughing now!

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Planetmutty, I agree with your two points that were unrealistic, and wanted to add a couple of my own.

3) While the job market it tough, it is not as tough in some fields, namely sales, as the movie would have you believe. Yes, finding an executive level job would be very difficult, but having to do construction because you can't find a sales job? I've worked in sales management for 15 years, if you're good, you will find a job - not in week but certainly in less time than this movie implies.

4) What person applying for an executive level position has to pay their own way for the interview? That should have been Bobby's first clue that something was wrong. I've relocated three times and all three times the interview arrangements were made and paid for by the hiring company. I could see if it was for a low level position, but an executive? Clearly, the writers don't know how it's done in Corporate America. It's called recruiting.

Overall, I found the movie didn't live up to my expectations and was fairly depressing - even at the end. With the talent of all three men, I fully expected the trio (not duo) to unite to form a kick-ass company that would steal their clients back. I guess sometimes I do want the "Disney ending".

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3) While the job market it tough, it is not as tough in some fields, namely sales, as the movie would have you believe. Yes, finding an executive level job would be very difficult, but having to do construction because you can't find a sales job? I've worked in sales management for 15 years, if you're good, you will find a job - not in week but certainly in less time than this movie implies.

really!? Why don't you tell that to every former-exec who lost their job and lost EVERYTHING and still can't find a job years later and have to work as school janitors, garbage men, cashier at Macys - Yes, I'm actually talking about people I knew. I just found out my former boss who made in the $200k started a garbage company somewhere in Florida after working as a garbage man for 3 years. The guy who had to become a janitor made in the $200k also. He had a lot of savings, but his wife had breast cancer and his son had been battling leukemia for a while - so that drained all their savings, unemployment stopped after a year; he couldn't find any job. They didn't have family to go to live with, their house was forclosed, his older daughter had to stop going to school, find a job and help out the family even though he didn't want her too - but they were in the street living in their van for a while before finding a shelter. He looked for work literally everyday, all day long, and spent his time on the internet at the library applying for jobs online as well as in person. He found a janitor job at a school, then became a school bus driver for the same school. They rent a very small home, the daughter still works and helps out, but is a part time student back at her college. They still struggle because the bills keep coming in for the wife's breast cancer treatment. His son died of leukemia recently.


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can't outrun your own shadow

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4) What person applying for an executive level position has to pay their own way for the interview? That should have been Bobby's first clue that something was wrong. I've relocated three times and all three times the interview arrangements were made and paid for by the hiring company. I could see if it was for a low level position, but an executive?

Not any more.
That was the point made; the hiring exec was so unworried about finding a great person, he didn't have the sense of urgency, courtesy, geez, decency to pencil in the right date or let his assistant know he would be conducting an interview on an upcoming Friday and make sure it was the correct date. (Believe me, once she looked, she found it. Our books are filled out or it can be a problem.)

But as to inconveniencing someone or making them come back?, Heck, %^&* them, according to this guy who was hiring.


Some companies are sending out for resumes and letting the current work force know that they are acquiring at least five replacements for each job.
So, no complaining about long hours or lost benefits or...you know, all those things that those pinko union people got their heads bashed in for and their houses set on fire when they tried to make things better for us at the beginning of the 20th century...

Does anyone remember the Triangle Shirtwaist Fire?
Anyone?
Anyone?
That would be because of protests and OSHA.

People, it's time to hit the execs where it hurts; boycott unfair and unfeeling companies!
Do research on the products you buy and whom it affects-it doesn't take long on Google.
Reward the companies that stand by their people and support local business even if it means you have to bargain with the shopkeeper. Give your dollar to them instead of Walmart; unless the business is worse than Walmart, in which case:
1. Let them know
2. Look for someone else local if you possibly can.
If you like where you live, save it!

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What I found unrealistic were two things:
1) Gene McClary, at his age, starting up a brand new business in what is probably a sunset industry when most poeople in his situation would probably opt for the golf course
2) Sally Willcox, something of a ball-breaker when it came to deciding who got retrenched and who stayed, suddenly getting a conscience attack and leaving GTX to throw in with McClary. I just couldn't see that happening.


Very good post (excerpted above), but I'd like to make a couple of comments.

What would Gene do for the rest of his life? Work for someone else? His marriage is over, his kids are grown, he's split with his girlfriend, he told his son he is sick of boardrooms. What does he have to lose trying (again) something he believes in. He summed it up perfectly in the deserted shipbuilding plant when he told Bobby that the guys back then loved their jobs because they could see, touch, and smell what they had created.

Sally didn't say she was leaving GTX and throwing in with Gene. She said she MIGHT need a job as an associate with him. Whether she meant this or not is moot. Gene told her at their last meeting that there would be no more Tuesday lunches (in other words, their affair was over) and whether he would bring her onboard in his new venture is debatable.

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The guy at the top who has more money than he needs to survive a hundred lifetimes wants more, so screw the loyal employees. Keeping the price of his stock up and looking good on paper is what really matters. Too many people use credit to buy things they don't want, to impress people they don't like.

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Play more golf.


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It's not what you know, it's who you know.

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"the corporate world is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic hallway where thieves and pimps run free, and good men die like dogs. There's also a negative side."

Paraphrased and thanks to Hunter S Thompson.

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to me, i was left with the message that the rich, as long as they still have THEIR jobs, still have a 'let them eat cake' attitude... but when they have to come down to 'normal' level.. they lose it... to wit:

http://www.infowars.com/let-them-eat-cake-10-examples-of-how-the-elite -are-savagely-mocking-the-poor/

[EDIT: apparently the link got pulled as i wrote this!... maybe it is up now again... i have copied and pasted the article at the bottom of this post if it is not back when you read this (and are interested...hehe)]

i find it hard to feel anything for people that get a disproportionately large portion of the income a company gives out (I think at one point they mentioned the CEO was getting 700 times the amount the 'lesser' employees were earning) when they get 'reduced' to a level they require the people they work for to survive at...

and the playing golf before he got to work (while the factory workers probably have to punch a strict clock) made me feel antagonistic towards him from the get-go...

but that's just me... your mileage may differ! :)

ARTICLE:

Let Them Eat Cake: 10 Examples Of How The Elite Are Savagely Mocking The Poor

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The Economic Collapse
Monday, October 31, 2011

There is absolutely nothing wrong with working hard and making a lot of money, but there is something wrong with being completely arrogant and smug about it. Today, many among the elite are savagely mocking the poor, and that is a huge mistake.

You shouldn’t kick people when they are down. There are tens of millions of Americans that are deeply frustrated about losing their homes, losing their jobs or barely being able to survive in this economy. These frustrations have been one of the primary reasons for the rise of the Tea Party movement and the rise of the Occupy Wall Street movement. What these movements have in common is that people in both movements are sick and tired of the status quo and they want something to be done about our broken system. There are huge numbers of families out there right now that have just about reached the end of their ropes. Instead of showing compassion, many of the ultra-wealthy have decided that it is funny to mock the poor and those that are suffering. So how are all of these protesters going to respond to the “let them eat cake” attitude of the Wall Street elite? The protesters are being told that nothing that they can do will change anything and that they should be grateful for what Wall Street and the ultra-wealthy have done for them. They are essentially being told that they should just shut up and go home. So will we see these protest movements become discouraged and die down, or will the patronizing attitudes of so many among the elite just inflame them even further?

Right now, there really are two different “Americas”. In one America, the stock market is surging, corporate profits are soaring and BMW is operating factories at 110% of capacity just to keep up with demand.

In the other America, unemployment is rampant, millions of families are being kicked out of their homes and more than 45 million Americans are on food stamps.

There is more economic frustration in this country today than there has been at any other time since the Great Depression. We are watching pressure build to very dangerous levels.

It is important to note that I certainly do not agree at all with the solutions being put forward by the organizers of the Occupy Wall Street protests. As I have written about previously, collectivism is one of our biggest problems, and more collectivism is not going to solve anything.

But it is definitely understandable that people are incredibly upset about this economy and that they want to protest. Most Americans realize that something is fundamentally wrong with our economic system.

Unfortunately, most of them do not understand how we have gotten to this point or what it is going to take to fix things. That is one of the reasons why I write about economic issues so much. We desperately need to educate America.

But what is undeniable is that there is a growing rage in this country that protest movements such as the Occupy Wall Street are giving a voice to.

Our system is badly broken. The people out there protesting in the streets may not understand much, but they do understand that something needs to change.

The Wall Street elite should be taking these protests as a signal that they need to get their house in order. The status quo just is not going to cut it. But instead of taking leadership and calling for significant change, many among the elite are openly mocking the protesters.

The incredible arrogance displayed by so many on Wall Street and by so many in Washington D.C. is absolutely appalling.

The following are 10 examples of how the elite are openly mocking the poor in America today….

#1 According to an article in The New York Times, poor families that lost their homes to foreclosure were openly mocked during a Halloween party thrown by the law firm of Steven J. Baum. This particular law firm represents many of the largest mortgage lenders in the United States….

The firm, which is located near Buffalo, is what is commonly referred to as a “foreclosure mill” firm, meaning it represents banks and mortgage servicers as they attempt to foreclose on homeowners and evict them from their homes. Steven J. Baum is, in fact, the largest such firm in New York; it represents virtually all the giant mortgage lenders, including Citigroup, JPMorgan Chase, Bank of America and Wells Fargo.

Photos from this Halloween party are posted on The New York Times website. To say that they are appalling would be a huge understatement. The following is how The New York Times described one of the photos….

In one, two Baum employees are dressed like homeless people. One is holding a bottle of liquor. The other has a sign around her neck that reads: “3rd party squatter. I lost my home and I was never served.” My source said that “I was never served” is meant to mock “the typical excuse” of the homeowner trying to evade a foreclosure proceeding.

#2 To many on Wall Street, the OWS protests are one big joke. In fact, Wall Street executives have been spotted sipping champagne while watching the Occupy Wall Street protests from their balconies.

#3 In response to the Occupy Chicago protests, signs were put up in the windows of the building where the Chicago Board of Trade is located that spelled out this sentence: “We Are The 1%“.

#4 Many columnists for major financial publications have had no fear of mocking the Occupy Wall Street protesters. For example, Doug Hirschhorn recently wrote the following for Forbes….

As your Occupation of Wall Street continues, you may want to grasp a few things. First, it is not going to change anything in the short term and probably not much in the long-term either.

I hate to be the bearer of that news, but money makes the world go round and “Wall Street” is all about money. Second, the top traders, banks and hedge funds are still going to out earn and generate substantial profits from speculating on the disconnects in the prices of things generated from all the moving parts in the global economy and it has nothing to do with why you lost your house or job or can’t find a job. If anything the successful ones are helping you, your pensions funds, retirement savings and the economy in general. If Wall Street stops. The world stops. Period.

#5 Instead of attempting a balanced report on the Occupy Wall Street protests, Erin Burnett of CNN openly made fun of them during a recent broadcast. After being a stalwart on CNBC for so many years, Burnett has very close ties to Wall Street and apparently she does not like anyone criticizing her friends. You can see video of Burnett mocking the Occupy Wall Street movement right here.

#6 Barack Obama continues to mock the poor by telling them to cut back on vacations and little luxuries like going out to eat while at the same time sending his own family out on incredibly expensive vacations. The following is one example I noted in an article earlier this year….

Barack Obama recently made the following statement to American families that are struggling to survive in this economy: “If you’re a family trying to cut back, you might skip going out to dinner, or you might put off a vacation.” A few days after making that statement Obama sent his wife and children off on yet another vacation, this time to a luxury ski hotel in Vail, Colorado.

Later on in that same article I mentioned another outrageously expensive vacation taken by the Obamas that was paid for by our taxes….

Back in August, Michelle Obama took her daughter Sasha and 40 of her friends for a vacation in Spain.

So what was the bill to the taxpayers for that little jaunt across the pond?

It is estimated that vacation alone cost U.S. taxpayers$375,000.

During a time when so many millions of American families are deeply, deeply suffering it is truly appalling that the residents of the White House would be so insensitive.

#7 Republican presidential candidate Herman Cain recently declared that anyone that is unemployed or poor in America should only blame themselves….

“Don’t blame the big banks. If you don’t have a job and you’re not rich, blame yourself.”

#8 Sometimes our politicians are so insensitive that it is almost hard to believe. In an interview with George Stephanopoulos of ABC News while she was still the Speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi stated that we need poor people to have less children because it costs the government so much money to take care of them….

PELOSI: Well, the family planning services reduce cost. They reduce cost. The states are in terrible fiscal budget crises now and part of what we do for children’s health, education and some of those elements are to help the states meet their financial needs. One of those – one of the initiatives you mentioned, the contraception, will reduce costs to the states and to the federal government.

STEPHANOPOULOS: So no apologies for that?

PELOSI: No apologies. No. we have to deal with the consequences of the downturn in our economy.

#9 Warren Buffett has some interesting observations on class warfare. He is one of the few wealthy Americans that is willing to say what everyone else is thinking. Back in 2006, Buffett was quoted as saying the following in an article in The New York Times….

“There’s class warfare, all right,” Mr. Buffett said, “but it’s my class, the rich class, that’s making war, and we’re winning.”

Buffett was not taking pride in the fact that the elite have won, but there are many others among the elite that are very proud of what they have done and they are not afraid to look down on the poor.

The level of income inequality that we have in the United States today isabsolutely amazing. According to data from a few years ago, the average household income for the top 0.01% of all Americans was $27,342,212. According to that same data, for the bottom 90% of all Americans the average household income was just $31,244.

#10 Every single day, our “representatives” in Washington D.C. are living the high life at our expense. It is amazing that out of the entire population of the United States, we continue to overwhelming elect rich people to Congress. As I noted in a recent article, more than half of all the members of Congress are millionaires, and the median wealth of a U.S. Senator in 2009 was 2.38 million dollars.

Without a doubt, the wealthy rule over us all and they intend to maintain control and perpetuate the system which has rewarded them so handsomely.

When necessary, they are not afraid to call in the police to bust some skulls. Sadly, we are already seeing some brutally violent confrontations between law enforcement authorities and Occupy Wall Street protesters in many areas of the country. The other day, I wrote about the horrific violence that took place in Oakland recently….

Unfortunately, the authorities are not just going to sit by and watch these protests happen. In fact, they are already clamping down hard in many areas of the nation. For example, police in Oakland recently used tear gas and rubber bullets to break up the Occupy protest in that city. When police opened fire, the streets of Oakland literally became a war zone for a few minutes. You can see shocking videos of the violence here, here and here.

Power and wealth have become incredibly concentrated in the United States today. As one scientific study demonstrated recently, the elite control almost the entire global economy. In fact, the University of Zurich study discovered that there are just 147 gigantic corporations at the core of it all.

It is not a good thing that such a very small group of people completely dominates all the rest of us.

Once again, there is absolutely nothing wrong with working hard, making great contributions to society and becoming very wealthy.

However, what we have today is a fundamentally broken system that funnels most of the wealth and most of the power into the hands of the ultra-wealthy and the gigantic corporations that they own.

It would be great if the American people could come together and work to make some positive changes to our system.

But right now, it appears that strife, discord and hatred are going to continue to rapidly grow in this country. We have become a very divided nation and we are watching anger and frustration grow to very dangerous levels.

All of this is a recipe for mass chaos. Our country is marching toward a date with disaster and right now we show no signs of changing course.

Please pray for America.

We definitely need it.


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Entrpreneneurship is the way to go. Kevin Costner's Jack is content with his modest home Reno business. TLJ grew the original GTX and now starts again to restart the shipyard and provide jobs. Funny Afflecks character never tried to start something or anyone else at the outplacement centre.
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I think the moral was that if you have courage and faith in yourself, then you'll be fine so long as you are rich or young; otherwise you should kill yourself.

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that americas manufacturing jobs just vanished

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