Anybody else think it's fake?
Watched an episode the other night and I'm convinced it's not real. Please tell me I'm not the only one that has seen through this...
shareIt is fake . They claim being a DEA Agent is "The most dangerous job in the world" in the promo. According to the U.S Dept. of labor-the most dangerous Jobs, as far as people in the job being hurt or killed are: Fisherman, Lumberjack, Farmer and so on. This show is all hype. It Illustrates all that is wrong with "REALITY" shows replacing creative, artistic efforts.
It stinks on a number of levels.
It is fake . They claim being a DEA Agent is "The most dangerous job in the world" in the promo. According to the U.S Dept. of labor-the most dangerous Jobs, as far as people in the job being hurt or killed are: Fisherman, Lumberjack, Farmer and so on.
So let me get this straight; your reasoning for why the show is fake is because the U.S. Dept of Labor says that being a fisherman or farmer is more dangerous than being a DEA agent? Uhhhhhhhh...
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" Ughhhhh" ?
Thats what they say in the promotion for the show, "The MOST dangerous Job in the world". It is untrue....or fake, it is a false claim made by the shows producers. The show is supposed to capture reality. Just one falsehood among the other staged B.S.
The fact that you're using a technicality such as that to prove that the show is fake is pretty ridiculous. I hope you have a better argument than that. What are the other reasons you got?
shareReality being unreal is a "technicality" to you ?
A lie is a "technicality" to you ? False advertising is a "technicality" ?
The DEA is part of the U.S. Dept of Justice. The AUSA takes these cases from cradle to grave. No one (no Special agent)is flipping a drug dealer without the permission of the AUSA and they are more than a bit press unfriendly. They seem to have some aversion to having their informants killed. Did you ever hear of the witnes protection program ? No cameras there it seems.
Enforcing the law against Street level drug dealers has always been the purview of Local not federal law enforcement. It really seems these 'adventures' are out of the pale of of what DOJ enforcement people do.
The show "Cops" is infinitely better produced and not given to such fiction and hyperbole as this laughable trash.
If anything is "ridiculous" it is this poor attempt by the producers to fool all. Only a viewer that is desperate to believe would think it is even remotely real .
False advertising is a technicality with today's society because unfortunately its become such a norm. And the fact that in your previous post that was the sole reason you were claiming the show is fake was because of a tag line.
Onto the AUSA part, have you seen the disclaimer at the end of the show? It tells you that the prosecutor approves of the deals that the agents try to make with the offenders.
The agents do not have an aversion to having their informants killed. I remember reading in an article that was written about the show that the show blurs the informant's faces, which they do, and alters the informant's voice in attempts to conceal their identity. And yes they do show the informant's car at some points, but even then the license plate is blurred.
It is obviously not just up to the local police to deal with drug dealers otherwise whats the point of even forming the DEA? It is part of the DEA's agenda to team up with local police and that is seen in a couple of the episodes that the agents have received help from the local police numerous times. And with this show, being as it follows the DEA guys from Detroit, the Canadian border is right next to them and that is a good deal of where most of the drugs come from in that city, which then makes it a federal problem, which is where the DEA comes in.
I'll agree with you that Cops is also a good show. Although there are some minor flaws with that show as well.
That was not my "sole reason" I said it "stinks on a number of levels"
The D.E.A. was formed to fight high level Drug transactions and dealers on an international level. The D.E.A. fighting street level narcotics sales which is the premise of this show ,would be like the F.B.I. pursuing shop lifters and pick pockets.
There are a number of U.S. Cities that have DEA task forces that are made up of
teams of State and usually city Police Officers and DEA Agents.
Those teams do not target street level dealers.They usually work wire taps and farm information from payed informants. The show we are seeing here is nothing like a DEA operation but rather like a Local P.D. street narcotics unit watching hand to hand sales of small quantity and making summary warrantless arrests.
It is silly to believe this show. What does the government have to gain by risking the lives of its informants and Agents to the point that faces are blurred voices altered and for what? To make a T.V. show. Whats the return?
These seem like poor recreations at best. I said the promo is false and that indicates that the producers of this show do not care about the truth.
This production team has among its credits: "Al Rokers Big Bad BBQ", "Tricked out tailgating", "Celebrity Food Fights", "Titans of taste-Supermarket Sensations" and a real hard hitting investigative piece-"Uncovered...Hidden lives of Miss USA" I find this DEA show as real as any of that. It stinks.
The DEA works it cases from the street level up. You can't establish a relationship with a drug kingpin off the bat. You have to move up the food chain. Which is why task forces are comprised of local law enforcement officers and special agents, working together. They start with dealers and work up the chain. This task force works street level drug crime.
I feel the show hasn't better explained the structure of DEA task forces and the synergy between local PD and the DEA, but that hardly means it is fake.
Hey moron, do you realize that "The most dangerous job in the world" is an opinion, and thus can't be proven false? Stop talking idiot.
thats what she said
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"Moron" "Idiot" Why do facts get you angry ?
Oh, "the most dangerous job" is an opinion? "Danger cannot be proven"? There is data to support what the most dangerous job is. I provided a few of the most dangerous jobs in a previous post. Look it up, it's really not that difficult.
Get your parents tuition money back, you punk,jackass. They really must teach great stuff at the school you allegedly attend . I guess the standards for Freshmen at Penn have gone down more than a bit.
I think what he was trying to say is that it is easy to claim that one's profession, whether DEA agent or Fisherman (as you stated earlier), is the most dangerous job because they are there in that moment doing it. Someone who does a dangerous job does not think about which occupation is the most dangerous, because to them, what they do is the most danger they've ever encountered leading to their opinion that what they do is the most dangerous job.
And although there is actual data that states the most dangerous job, not many people look up that type of data. A topic like "most dangerous job" is usually opinion-based with many people.
His answer was rude and lacked any real data. He likes the show so he crudely defends it. Facts be damned ? Even if the facts about dangerous jobs come from the U.S. Dept of labor? People always know how dangerous their job is by the number killed or injured doing that job. That is what a reasonable person would call facts. Thats one element of workers negotiating appropriate ,decent wages by taking the danger into account. Like combat pay for the military, flight pay for airline workers etc . Life insurance comapnies figure out premiums that way. Its no mystery. Nothing about it is subjective. Exaggerating danger is a Lie. I do not think many computer programmers think their job is dangerous. What is dangerous is supported by real ,empirical data. It cannot be "opinion based"...facts are facts ...period.
The DEA does not investigate street level narcotics sales.
This show is staged. It is not reality. The producers produce junk. Look at their other productions. But ,apparently they are good at keeping gullible viewers fighting for them.
http://www.usdoj.gov/dea/programs/hidta.htm
Southeast Michigan would be Detroit. So it seems that they do in fact investigate street level narcotics sales, when it comes to HIDTAs.
The agents do not have an aversion to having their informants killed. I remember reading in an article that was written about the show that the show blurs the informant's faces, which they do, and alters the informant's voice in attempts to conceal their identity.
It's obvious you don't even know what the word aversion means.
I looked at the link you sent to the DEA and there is not a word about street level narcotic sales on it. There is no telephone number provided on the link to call to report drug sales. Do you know why? because they do not investigate low level activity like that. The producers of the show expect an unsophisticated viewer to believe any garbage they show them. Some do.
Just because the DEA has an office in Detroit does not mean they have any interest in street level narcotic sales. If you enjoy watching the show, more power to you. The fact remains the DEA does not do this and the link you show does not say a word about street sales whatsoever. Do you know what the difference is between a peace officer and a police officer?
Your claim that if a person thinks their job is dangerous, then it must be. You earlier said something I said was "ridiculous" I can't think of a more ridiculous statement than yours. I guess if a person thinks they work overtime, they should get paid for it, even if they didnt really work overtime but just imagined they did. With your logic, they should be paid for the imaginary overtime simply because they imagined they actually performed it. Using your reasoning, If a person thinks they are George Washington...naturally they must be.
Enjoy the show. Just stop trying to say it is real simply because you want it to be. It is not. share
You are right, I thought I knew what aversion meant, but I was mistaken.
In the link I sent, it says this:
"The HIDTA's mission is to reduce drug trafficking in the most critical areas of the country, thereby reducing its impact in other areas."
Based on the map, the Detroit area is one of the critical areas, so the HIDTA branch of the DEA is there to take care of that problem. In order to do so they get to the street level dealers and from there work their way up the chain until they get to the main supplier who is trafficking the drugs which would lead to even more useful information.
"Your claim that if a person thinks their job is dangerous, then it must be" Actually I never said that, read slower. I said that although there is actual data that does state the most dangerous job, people in other occupations that are also dangerous would probably say that their job is the most dangerous only because that is all they know. A police officer is not going to know that fishing is the most dangerous job because to them, what they go through is the only danger they know, so they assume that their job is the most dangerous.
What I said was ridiculous on your part was your initial post because in that post you only stated the tagline of the show as the reason it was fake, you hadn't mentioned your other reasons at all, so I found it ridiculous that you had based a show's authenticity on a tagline and no other real reasons.
That talk about overtime, I would love for you to explain to me what exactly you are connecting that to because I am at a loss to figure it out.
And my whole point is just that I do not think that you know everything that the DEA does. I think you have a general idea, but that you do not realize that many federal agencies are divided into sub-divisions that focus on different aspects, not all that are known by the public. I am not saying I know all there is to the DEA, but neither do you.
And also, on the DEA (the show) website, it states:
"The series follows Special Agents as they work cases ranging from street level dealers all the way up to international drug traffickers." The show only shows the half of it, so maybe you shouldn't believe only what makes it to air.
I said that although there is actual data that does state the most dangerous job, people in other occupations that are also dangerous would probably say that their job is the most dangerous only because that is all they know. A police officer is not going to know that fishing is the most dangerous job because to them, what they go through is the only danger they know, so they assume that their job is the most dangerous.
So Police Officers are not aware that there are Jobs other than their own that might actually have risks too ? Are they so cloistered? There is a difference between what is subjective and objective. I think most people know other people with other Jobs do exist. I think those people know there are other variables, like danger or pay etc, in jobs other than their own. Some people, Police Officers included, know there are actually jobs with danger, other than their own. By the way, DEA Agents are not Police Officers, as you imply above.
I know enough to know that this show is unrealistic and is poorly produced.
When an operation is done on the show there are several camera angles used . That means several cameras with several camera operators are working a single scene. Don't you think that may present a problem to a true undercover operation? A bit obtrusive? Life threatening to the Law Enforcement and informers involved? It is not only improbable but impossible to believe it is not staged.
You refer to the Spike TV website claims as factual. Yet earlier you excused any lies there as a "Technicality".
So how do you know the show's claims on its 'Spike' T.V. website arent dealing in a "technicality" which to you means a license to lie ? How do you pick which claims to believe from the Spike TV website?
I think this is as real as "Real Housewives of NYC". It is staged junk, cheap television. If you like it...enjoy it. share
Calm down, newjerkfan, from 2002 to 2011 nine dea agents were listed as having line of duty deaths. In the same period...newjerkfan, 58 US Forest service firefighters have been killed in the line of duty. seems lots of Jobs are more dangerous than a DEA agnet. That can be proven. Think about it ..........Newjerkfan
sharethey actually say that it is "one of the most dangerous jobs" not THE most dangerous. So they are not really misrepresenting anything, its a job that is dangerous. They are not saying that there are other jobs that do not have more danger involved or involve more annual deaths.
shareMiz-
It says "THE MOST DANgerous Job on the street" Try reading it.
They are saying it is the most dangerous job on the street. It is not. They are misrepresenting or lying. Try to read or get someone to read it for you, 'Miz'.
I'm gonna have to agree with jolsen5 here. Anyone who thinks this show is an accurate representation is sorely mistaken. I've only watched 2 episodes so far, and there are many glaring errors. It just isn't realistic at all.
Example: They busted some guy buying a SMALL amount of crack, and then supposedly flip him up to some guy with what was it, "$50000 worth of weed" supposedly? Do you really think the FBI sets up busts for 5 grams of crack? That is small time local PD *beep* TRUST ME. There is no way they would have been behind some small potatoes crap from the beginning. They probably just record *beep* that maybe will help them, and then use some very generous editing. You can tell any story you want when you get to choose all the pieces. WHy is this so hard to understand?
Another: They bust some guy with supposedly $50000 worth of "hydro." So presumably high quality marijuana. If you look at price averages, that is MAYBE 15-20 pounds, probably on the lower end cause the DEA tends to over value drugs to make the busts look "bigger." When they bust him, one of the agents brags "WE just shut down a major international marijuana trade!" Are you kidding me? It does not take international contacts to get that much marijuana. It could POSSIBLY happen with say mexican brick weed, but they make a major point to highlight that its "HIGH GRADE HYDRO MARIJUANA." So that stuff doesn't travel all the way across the country or come from overseas in most cases. The demand IN the United States is so high that there are MANY domestic operations that could easily supply that much and a WHOLE LOT MORE. There is no way this was some elaborate international marijuana conspiracy. That is generally confined to the REAL expensive drugs. Cocaine, heroin, etc. Not a naturally growing, non-lethal (no one has EVER died from marijuana alone).
This show is just another "reality" show that is so heavily edited and selectively filmed that it bears almost no resemblance whatsoever to whatever it claims to be the "reality" of. Enjoy your "reality TV." Just don't think it is anything near REAL.
EDIT: Another thing, do you really think they are so successful? The war on drugs is a COLOSSAL failure. Just look at the charts comparing DEA budget, drug potency, % of high school students who have tried various drugs and % of them who say they can at least get them if they want.
There is a very clear trend. All the DEA has done is drove up potency, created greater profits for drug dealers, and encouraged MORE supply because when you bust one, 2 come in to replace him. THis isn't a hard idea to understand. As long as there is the chance for HUGE profit margins, there will ALWAYS be people who are willing to take the risk. And they have the DEA to thank for skyrocketing the price of drugs. GOOD JOB BEATIN THE "BAD GUYS." LOL These guys are such jokers its pathetic.
The way they show this series they act like they constantly and consistently just run through all these major successful cases. And I love how they always talk *beep* about their informants. I heard "C.I.'s are scum/can't be trusted/are pieces of s*it/" and several other insults at least 5-10 times in TWO episodes. But the irony is they would never get ANYWHERE if it weren't for the people giving up their sources. It's just very unappreciative and ironic that they insult those who help them have ANY kind of success at all.
But what do you expect from ignorant, angry super cops? I shouldn't be surprised.
LOL I just can't get enough of this show. It really is good entertainment, even if it's completely made up. But it's a good comedy. They just busted some guy with 5 WHOLE GRAMS of marijuana!!! And they are talking about flipping him to get to some major guy? Are you serious? I have a hard time seeing anyone flipping over some humble *beep* like that. That is crazy talk. A fine and some probation? No one is going to risk getting hurt A LOT more by whoever they flip on to avoid some slap on the wrist.
This show is a joke. How can anyone not see this?
I think this show should mention how the D.E.A. is the biggest failure of any Federal Law Enforcement Agency in the country. This show makes me realize what a waste the war on drugs is.
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