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Why are the two chinese men gay?


Their sexual orientation and relationship didn't seem to serve any purpose to the story whatsoever, and their storyline was never even resolved. It seems like Iñarritu threw in this "subplot" just for shock value or dramatic filler.

This kind of sums up Iñarritu's work for me: pretentious and forcefully depressing. Can he do anything other that put his characters through a gauntlet of the worst situations and events he can come up with? I don't mean to say he's not good at what he does, but he does nothing else. You'd think that after Arriaga left he'd go and explore some other territory.

I know people will hate me for this. He's the lesser member of the three Amigos in my opinion.

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I totally agree with you about the two Chinese guys. I was sitting there wondering that for awhile and was hoping there would be some reason for it.

There wasn't. Absolutely irrelevant and unnecessary. Didn't add anything to the story or have any reason for being there except to add a layer of useless dramatic filler.

As for the plot, almost non-existent. Definitely needs to work with Arriaga again.

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I believe it's a homage to Kar-wei Wong's 'Happy Together'

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Thought the exact same thing when I read the post. Maybe it has to do with the fact that I watched that movie 2 weeks ago.

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That's funny you should say that. I thought of Wong Kar-Wei several times during this film.

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That's literally the dumbest reason possible to include such a pointless sub-plot in the film.

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Why does there need to be a dramatic "reason" for them being gay?

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It's less about the two chinese guys being gay and more about Iñarritu slowing down the pace of the film and wasting time with a subplot that goes nowhere, even if it had been a straight relationship.

However, Iñarritu clearly wanted to shock the audience with their scenes, and you (usually) don't make a character gay unless it has some sort of impact on the story, because like it or not, a homosexual relationship creates the kind of conflict that can enrich a story. I'm not saying it's right, I'm saying it's just the state of cinema nowadays.

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For, it wasn't the fact the chinese guys were gay but more their subplot seems a little superfluous and unresolved.
I think both their story and Ige's story were Inarritu being unable to resist the temptation to make another trademark interlocking of stories, but it didn't quite work for me - they made the film a little too long, and lost some of the linear narrative drive.
It would have been better if these subplots were shorter, I think.

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examples?

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ikr?

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It' disturbing that they are gay because they are evil characters in the film.Cinema and TV does not need any more evil or deranged gay characters to confirm peoples prejudices. Especially in this film where there are no other gay characters for balance and reality as well as no other apparent reason for them to be gay.Sorry to say that I think this was a big misstep by Innaratu who I have really liked and respected in the past.

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Exactly. it's a well crafted use of exposition. the factory owner is trying to find himself as a human being, it's not only that he's gay, you have to look beyond it.
And the relationship doesn't lead anywhere? their relationship makes the characters struggle as business men then he kills him in the end!

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Liwie uses sex to convince Hai to do something he otherwise doesn't feel comfortable with in exploiting the Asian workers - the scene is perfectly juxtaposed with Marambra seducing Uxbal to convince him to stay with her. It shows that both characters are human and thus flawed.

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good explanation, cobb-wt :)

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There is nothing "perverted" about being gay. It's a normal sexual orientation that is unfortunately stigmatized by society's homophobia and bigotry.

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Though i loved the film and his work, I will say that myself and most critics agree that with this film A.I. does fill his film with unnecessary drama. Some situations can be told without it, without compromising the plot and even submit to a richer film. Its a big obvious the writer he let go was his filter.

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I believe the film is exploring different classes of people. The "unseen" parts of society such as the Chinese workers living underground. The drug dealers and merchandise peddlers. The director wants to show that everything is connected. That small things like our jobs and our relationships not only are a part of everyone's lives but that they really do make up the fabric of our universe, and that we all may have connections to different kinds of people. (Spoilers) This shows I think that we all may know someone who is secretly gay, maybe people who live double lives, etc. Javier Bardem is living a double life pretending he is something else and not really telling certain members of his family about his illness or his criminal activities, and all of that. Also, his wife Marambra leads a double life (she is bipolar, I believe) which is another symbol of the duality of roles people play in their personal and professional lives.

BTW, I thought the same EXACT thing about the gay characters when I first saw the movie, and I guess I just tried to understand the story by thinking it over and found that this was indeed an important aspect of the film...the way things are connected, things in everyday life. Scandals we see on TV (like the chinese people found on the beach).

Things are not always as they seem, and the film is about what we hide and what we allow to be shown to the world and the reasons behind one's disclosures and secret lives.

This is explored in Babel, 21 Grams and also Amores Perros. It's about class, money, despair, mistakes, hidden parts of different cultures, etc.

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It's also a subplot about the relationship between parents & children, just like all his movies have been

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So after thinking it over, how was it important to the story that they were gay?

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I agree...at first I thought what's the point, but again (I believe one was married and the younger guy mentioned having a daughter), so then I saw it as showing how we hide our true selves constantly. While there are enough people who bond together to do evil, it may have been used to explain a little better why the two of them would put up with each others' crap. The older man seemed the more decent of the two. The younger one more of the user.

Also, in the last scene of the two of them together. Didn't it look like the younger one was dead on the bed? Anyone else notice that?

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The younger guy was definately dead or on the way, blood spattered all over the wall/bed.

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On the flipside of that argument, wouldn't the gay community be offended by the fact that the only people running sweatshops and smuggling and then disposing dead illegal immigrants are gay?

Either way, it was an unnecessary device that wasn't really explored later, one that Hollywood has been known to use in the past to show how "deviant" the villains are...

And before you rant about my being a homophobe, I'll say that I'm not.

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Because they're not one-dimensional mustache twirling villains. They're not even villains at all. They're just people trying to make a living like Uxbal. Complex characters capable of love just like all the other characters in the film.

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I completely agree with you.
I don't really understand this whole logic of searching for a reason to justify their sexual orientation. They are gay because that's what they are. It's part of their "humanity" in the reality of the movie. If you mean why would Iñarritu choose two create these characters, I would say that he thought it would be a way of showing different kinds of love, that aren't seen that often on a movie but aren't less real nevertheless. The whole point of his movie in my opinion is to show what stays on the margin of society. I don't really see it as something odd, it's not because you don't see that much gay characters on television that they don't exist in real life. I really thought it was a significant part of the movie, even if this is intended to be a one-character movie, giving the fact that Uxbal is the one and only protagonist, and everything else is just part of what he's going through.

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They are gay because that's what they are. It's part of their "humanity" in the reality of the movie.

given how much this movie is about humanity, then this explanation is sufficient. homosexuality can be represented in many characters as part of the spectrum in this movie, and here it is.


there can be an alternate reason for them, specifically, to be gay. we are shown a couple of times that the boss has a family. as such, the relationship is not in the open, though the wife's facial expression after the younger partner shows up during dinner is telling that maybe she knows, or hates his guts for the business side. it is not clear.

after the boss asks Bardem's character to make sure that nobody talks, we hear that he knows his family will not talk. his partner, is another story... that could be the sole reason for him killing him, as he was the most panicked. another is that the boss can be bribed in many ways by his partner as the problems unravel. given the cultural issue of this love affair coming to light, this affair being gay gives a stronger motive to kill the partner than if they are not.

there are many cultural references in the movie, obviously, and they are not spelled out. but this one can be much more easily guessed, or made plausible.

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Thinking that showing homosexuality on screen is always done for dramatical reasons or that it must have some hidden agenda is in itself pure homophobia but this notion is, naturally, directly connected with the non-stop heteronormativity that most people in this world have been brainwashed with. And yes, even two Chinese slave shop managers can be having a gay relationship, just like any other type of person anywhere in the world.

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because some people are gay.get over it.

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People! Look beyond the gay aspect! The factory owner is trying to fin himself. It's not a conflict between the two men but with himself.

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Their first scene surprised me, but then I never thought about it again. I don't think homosexuality has to serve a dramatic purpose; it's like saying blacks in movies should only play slaves or drug dealers. Cinema needs to be more inclusive. The fact that people like you, OP, still think homosexuality must serve a purpose only shows why.

This world is a comedy to those that think, a tragedy to those that feel.

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"I don't think homosexuality has to serve a dramatic purpose; it's like saying blacks in movies should only play slaves or drug dealers."

This is the most ridiculous false equivalency I've seen anywhere in a long, long time. Saying homosexuality has to serve a dramatic purpose is not inherently offensive to homosexuals. Saying blacks should only play slaves or drug dealers is, on the other hand, just racist and this comparison is idiotic. Homosexuality in cinema is fairly new, and we are still a long way from it being widely accepted. Even as supposedly liberal and open-minded as film-goers allegedly are, there is still a certain shock value for the average viewer. The average person has probably seen, in their movie-watching lifetime, a good thousand violent deaths to every one scene of men kissing? I'm not saying that is right, I'm merely suggesting that is makes it a fair question as to why and how gay sex is used in a film. I personally think it is placed in movies to give them "progressive cred" and make the filmmakers appear edgy and brave, when really, they just shoehorned it in so they can pat themselves on the back about how evolved they are.

To make a more accurate comparison, I highly doubt anyone would shout HOMOPHOBE! just for questioning the content if this was a scene between two women that was jammed into the movie for no apparent reason. In fact, people would bend over backwards to say it objectified women, it was done to appease male lust, had no business in the film, etc. But put two dudes in and you're somehow a true artist.

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I realize this is not an adequate answer, but I do love quoting David Simon when he was asked why a couple of the significant characters in The Wire were gay. He responded with his own question, "Why were the other characters straight?" Perhaps it's a simple as that.

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