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The future is woke. Embrace it.

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You have no say on the matter. Wokeness already dominates everything.

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Until people get sick of it and there's a backlash. This politically correct culture can't last.

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The people getting sick of it are online echo chambers. Their pitchforks are raised because to them it's a recent agenda to reduce white actors. Over time, more and more people will role their eyes at the echo chambers and the white grievance will fade.

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The Dune universe is based on a complex imagined society set roughly 20,000 years in the future. The setting is the year 10,191, and human beings have spread out and colonized planets throughout the universe. That would be as different from us as we are from neanderthals.

There is no such thing in that imaginary world as what we call old world ethnicities any more. Hell, even today DNA researchers find that almost no one is pure bred anything. But they still have to provide references and guides for readers to understand it.

I have not heard much about the movie, let alone the change in Dr. Kynes. It strikes me as a bit annoying, but it doesn't have to be a problem.

I think it is wrong for you to ridicule or criticize the attempts in movies to be racially and ethnically inclusive. White people are not the only people in America or the world, and it is a lifelong insult to to other people that they do not feel included in the movie industry. I think it is a good thing, but the ultimate test is if it works or is a negative in the movie.

I don't think Timothee Chalemet looks like Paul Atreides in described in the book or what I think thinking of in my imagination as I read the book when it came out. There are just multiple things about him that do not look right.

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That does not contradict anything I said?

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Fully agreed.

The Freemen were based in nomadic Arabs and Berbers, the same way the Lord of the Rings was based in Middle Age Europe. It doesn't make any sense to use blacks in LotR (which is what Amazon is doing in the new series, btw), and it doesn't make any sense to use whites or blacks to represent the Freemen.

Movies should be immersive. If you're portraying some real ethnic group, or a fantasy ethnic group heavily based in a real one, it's not required that the actor belongs to that group, but he should be able to look like he belonged to it. Obviously, blacks and Caucasian whites don't look like Arabs.

Regarding Paul, I think some Israeli actor would have been a good idea. Many Jews have a look in a middle area between Europe and Middle East. I think Paul looked that way.

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Unless they reset the calendar somehow, how is the year 10,191 20,000 years in the future? According to my calculations, 20,000 years in the future, the year will be approximately 22,000.

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I don't know. To be honest I cut and pasted that out of a blurb on Dune to make a point. I remembered reading it or hearing it at some time. I mean it was made that way I presume so that there would be very little connection to problems of the day here on Earth. Dune was pretty pure fantasy. I think half the popularity came from how personal the book was written, in that kind of fairy tale space magic, but not magic, enchanted, etc.

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> Unless they reset the calendar somehow...

You answered your own question. They reset the calendar. Dates are calculated from the from the founding of the Spacing Guild.

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Just out of curiosity, which are the "usually batshit crazy critical race theorists complaints"?

Perhaps it's the blackwashing of Achilles?
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-e869866ab2a65f5d7317f63c04c394f1

Perhaps it's the blackwashing of Margaret of Anjou?
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-9d360f247029aa9da437651b66fe6e1c

Perhaps is the blackwashing of the XVth century Spanish Court?
https://pmcvariety.files.wordpress.com/2019/04/the-spanish-princess-starz.jpg?w=1000&h=563&crop=1

Perhaps it's blackwashing of the Little Mermaid? (which is an Scandinavian tale)
https://wp-media.patheos.com/blogs/sites/1010/2019/07/Halle-Bailey-Mermaid.png

Perhaps the blackwashing of these guys?
https://comment-cdn.9gag.com/image?ref=9gag.com#https://img-comment-fun.9cache.com/media/a5N6Qnq/aQezKqYX_700w_0.jpg

Or those ones?
https://comment-cdn.9gag.com/image?ref=9gag.com#https://img-comment-fun.9cache.com/media/aVzDdgv/aKVQWEZ9_700w_0.jpg

I just feel curious.

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Ok, I understood that you were calling crazy the complains about the critical race theory. My fault.

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The BBC are revolting.

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WOKE: ADJECTIVE
US
informal
alert to injustice in society, especially racism.


YOU PEOPLE ARE IGNORANT CHILDREN.

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The script and acting far outweigh the color of the actor's skin. Since this is a film based on a novel, changes like this are not going to sink the film.

It would far worse, for example, to portray Queen Elizabeth as an Spanish male rather than an English female. :)

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I don't know anything about the actor or Dune, but I assumed he was an Arab when I watched the trailer. I don't see the problem with his casting.

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The biggest issue is internal logic. So either A: in the future everyone ignores race, interbreeds, and we end up with a human race that is fully mixed and everyone looks similar, or B: distinct races still exist, but in order for that to be true people did hold on to notions of race and almost entirely breed only within their own. That is why these portrayals of societies with mixed but distinct races is illogical. That would only be like that for a few generations before everyone is simply mixed in roughly the same proportions.

In the Dune universe I could accept the Freemen as a distinct looking race as they have been mostly isolated on their planet for thousands of years, but then the same logic applies and they would all look the same, which is not what they did here.

This post is not political. This is about creating immersive, plausible realities for suspension of disbelief. Not everything in TV and films is realistic or accurate, but some things poke at the logic centers of the mind more than others. Having a wrong period sword for a Roman soldier passes more than having that same soldier pull out a smartphone.

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