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Where is the compassion for the victim?


What I find most shameful about this case in the media and those who are seemingly blood thirsty for justice - is that they consider their opinions on the case more important than the wishes of the victim...

If your daughter, your sister, your mother, or your friend was the victim, would you want them to have to relive the case every day through stories in the media? Why are the victims wishes not respected? She wants the case dropped so she can move on with her life.

Suddenly Polanski is the scapegoat for all rapists and pedophiles.

For rape victims everywhere, how this case turns out will not change the fact that the most common cases of sex with underage children is prostitution and rape by family members - victims, who in most cases never see their assailants brought to court, let alone justice.

The way I see it, Polanski received the worst punishment one could imagine - having everyone he loved killed - not just his parents, but his brutally murdered wife, AND the child who was just days away from being born, how many people in this world have lived through anything like that, let alone having been considered a suspect for the murder of his wife while he was grieving.

If all the energy used to hate Polanski could be redirected to help the child victims of today, how much less suffering would there be in this country? Int he world? But helping takes more effort than hate, and so this disgraceful media frenzy continues.







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what???

Are you serious?


Wow, just wow.

scapegoat for all rapist and Pedophiles? so you think he should be left alone......

there's nothing else to say.

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The atrocities Polanski had to endure in his childhood and adult life happened before this case. So he was punished before it?? That does not make sense.

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so in other words, if i rob a bank and kill people, then find out i have cancer, i deserve to be excused for robbing the bank?

you are sick.

"in this world there's two kinds of people ... those with loaded guns, and those who dig."

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Polanski drugged and raped a 13 year old girl. I don't care who he is, he should not be treated any differently to anyone else. The same laws should apply.

I'm sick of people making apologies for the guy. I know he had a *beep* up childhood and later life - IT IS NOT AN EXCUSE.

I also don't care that he's great filmmaker. That doesn't give him a green light to do whatever he pleases.

Just because a bunch of famous people think you're great, doesn't mean you get away with it.

I, too, am not calling for blood; I'm saying that he should be accountable. I don't think there can ever be "justice" in any legal system. But I think he should stand up and take responsibility for what he did. Gutless wonder has been avoiding the issue for 30+ years.

I think it's very sad that the girl (now woman) in question was identified at the time and has to go through all this crap again.

Please, people - stop making apologies for him. Make him take responsibility.

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He was held accountable his lawyer, the DA, and the judge came to an agreement. The judge decided to not to honor their agreement and Polanski fled. What would you do if yourself or loved one agreed to a sentence for a crime and after it was served the judge decided without your lawyer's input to add more prison time to you sentence?

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"blood thirsty for justice"

Right because no one should want justice should they?

"they consider their opinions on the case more important"

While its great the victim doesn't feel that Polanski ruined her life a resilient victim should not give a sex offender a free pass.

"would you want them to have to relive the case every day through stories in the media"

No I'd want them to be protected from the media but I'd certainly not want the person who abused them to get let off.

"Why are the victims wishes not respected?"

They are respected but it is the state who punishes the criminal not the victim.

"The way I see it, Polanski received the worst punishment one could imagine . . ."

While Polanski has undoubtedly had a tragic life that has nothing to do with his crime. Most sex offenders have had tragic lives but that doesn't stop them from being punished. Millions of people were affected by the Holocaust but that doesn't mean they can sexually abuse children with immunity.

"If all the energy to hate Polanski could be redirected to help the child victims of today, how much less suffering would there be in this country?"

Well those who do help victims of sexual abuse ie. charities and pressure groups set up to help the victims support the imprisonment of Polanski so are just the people you are condemning.

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Just watched the documentary on this case, and a few things are pretty obvious.

First--Polanski was guilty of a crime

Second--Despite the victim's protestations, the circumstances of why her mother allowed her in that situation at her age are curious at the least, suspicious at the other end of the spectrum (doubtful that this was a setup, but highly probable that this was a case of ambition blinding her to a risk that most would not take with their child, especially at that age).

Third--The Judge was a gutless publicity hound at every turn. If he wanted to impose a prison sentence, he could have done so. There would have been outcry, but not much. If he wanted to go with the probation recommendations (which he probably should have), he could have done that. There would have been outcry, but it would not have been overwhelming in 1977 and, for God's sake, he was 73 years old. How negative an effect could it have had upon him either way?

Fourth--Had the Judge stuck with what he originally said he was going to do (probation after the Chino time), which in itself was an illegal way to make sure Polanski spent some time in a prison (without an actual sentence for that), Polanski probably would have come out of this in very similar stature to most others accused of a similar crime (with no prior criminal history, a reticent victim, etc.).

Fifth--Had Polanski stayed, the Judge would have sentenced him to a very lengthy jail term (not just 48 more days) and, despite his comments, would probably have tried to find a way to block extradition (which is functionally equivalent to what happened anyway when Polanski left the country on his own).

Sixth--The damage done to our society by the miscarriage of justice that was almost carried out in the California courts was greater than the damage to society brought about by the crime itself. That might not always be the case, but it was here. When even the main prosecutor seems to feel that way, it is not just the position of apologists, but reality.

Finally, I am amused by the poster's response to the query: "Why are the victims wishes not respected?". He says that "they are respected but it is the state who punishes the criminal not the victim." As a matter of law, he is right of course. But the hypocrisy is that over the years there has been a monumental push for "victim's rights", which most frequently manifests itself in the State being eager to bring victims before Courts and juries to emphasize their trauma and their feelings about sentencing. But only if they want the Court to throw the book at the accused! Personally, I don't think the victim's wishes should control in either case, but if the victim's feelings are relevant as an aggravating factor, they should be equally relevant if they want the prosecution to back off. The State should not be able to have it both ways.

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I will add one thing to your brilliant comment...regarding the mother...she is the equivalent of Dina Lohan but only worse. She got her very young daughter into modeling and used her as an entry into the world, to hang out with Brando, Nicholson, Polanski. She quite literally whored out her daughter to run with the in crowd. This girl, at age 13, was experienced with sex and drugs already at the hands of her mother. She was as culpable as Polanski.

And you are so right...the damage to the legitimacy of the criminal justice system in this case was far worth than the damage of the original crime.

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Ha, the criminal "justice" system has always been a joke, the curtain was just lifted a little. And while I agree that the mom was corrupt (amazing that victim still doesn't acknowledge this) Polanski was such a degenerate that he didn't even behave decently at that level of corruption.

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Behave decently at that level of corruption?What in the world is that supposed to mean?

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Molly, what do you base your opinion on?

The mother WAS a working actress until she telephoned the police after she heard her daughter was raped. Her acting career was over after that. I wonder why?

She got her daughter into modeling? Base on what?

Do you know any of the actual facts about the Polanski case? My guess you don’t need any to form your opinion.

Polanski approached the mother and asked if he could photograph her. He claimed he was working on an article for French Vogue. He took some pictures by her house the first shoot and returned the girl home shortly later.

The second shoot the mother did ask to go with them, but Polanski said no.

In hindsight the mother made a mistake. So you’re absolutely sure you would never allow your daughter go with someone of Polanski’s status? (Yeah, everybody must have known he was a child rapist.) Many don’t realize that now and defend the pervert. (Yup, I think men who have sex with children are perverts. That makes me a moron to some here.)

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How is probation after Chino to make sure he spent time in a prison illegal? Because he should have gotten nothing more than probation and a fine.

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A visit there is for one of two reasons.

1) to determine if you are mentally sane to stand trial
2) to determine a sentence by judging for certain factors. The judge uses this to determine sentence.

Neither time is it used as a sentence. It's not cheap to do a psychiatric evaluation. It's done for a purpose.

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Rittenband was said to suddenly change the sentence to 50 years, or deportation. Polanski had every right to run away from America. There was no way to fight the Judge. He was doomed for.

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Polanski should have stayed and appealed the sentence then. By fleeing the country and thus taking no responsibility whatsoever for the repellent crime he has committed he is deserving of no sympathy regardless of the terrible, but entirely irrelevant in this case, events that he suffered earlier in his life.

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And Rittenband's crime was not disgusting? I'm gonna say this again:

There was no way to fight the Judge. He was doomed for the moment Rittenband announced he was going to change his sentence. And it was his stupid country club butt buddies who begged Rittenband to change the sentence.

Finally, Rittenband was a hypocrite. He was calling Polanski out for having sex with an underage girl. At the same time, he was doing the exact same thing.

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Firstly, when it comes to rape the argument "X is worse" does not apply. If you abuse a child you should take responsibility for those actions instead of pointing to other alleged child abusers. This isn't about moral relativism. A civilised society shouldn't tolerate rape no matter what. If other crimes are taking place they should be investigated and punished too; however, none of that absolves Polanski of his own guilt and if he had a grain of decency he'd take responsibility for his own actions instead of acting like a whiny coward and pointing to other offenders as a basis to be let off prosecution.

Also, what exactly is Rittenband's alleged crime? Did he drug a thirteen-year-old before having sex with her? Was his crime as terrible as that?

Stop making excuses for Polanski because he's an 'artist' and has suffered in his life. None of that means he is exempt from the same justice as the rest of us.

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Okay, way to twist my words around. I never said, or implied that Roman Polanski should be excused.

Underage sex is illegal, even if there was no rape involved. Don't you know that? Also, you are nuts if you Rittenband was a decent moral human being. He was no less moral than Polanski was. I'm happy Judge Rittenband is dead. You should, too.

Again, Polanski had every right to run away. Even Larry Silver said he would have done the same. God was on Polanski's side that day he ran away.

Finally, let me say this: When Steve Cooley and David Wells pass away, I will unapologetically celebrate their deaths. Steve Cooley had no right to reopen the case by ordering the Swiss to rearrest Polanski (thankfully, the Swiss woke up and saw Cooley as the piece of garbage that he is), and David Wells had no right to call Polanski a Pedophile.

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underage sex IS rape because someone underage is unable to render consent. Sex without consent is rape.

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You got there before me, but that is the exact point. You can't say on one hand concede that sex took between an adult and a minor took place, and on the other hand state there 'was no rape'. The sex between the adult and minor is the rape (and that's before you even factor in the drugs and the victim's unwillingness to have sex with Polanski).

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thready85 is a stalker and a troll. Do not listen to him.

The girl was well familiar with the quaaludes and champagne, and had taken them before. On March 10, 1977, she took them voluntarily. Polanski did not force them down her throat. Polanski was not a violent man, nor did he prey on her.

And finally, read my lips: The girl was not begging for her life.

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You're insane.

Since when has the crime of rape required the victim to be begging for their life?

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You and thready85 claim what Polanski did was premeditated. It was not.

I'm done arguing with you. Go on. Continue to live in your "Polanski is a danger to society" myth.

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it doesn't matter if it was premeditated or not. If a spontaneous rape occurs it's still rape.

There is no circumstance in which sex with a minor is not considered rape. Even if the girl jumped on him and demanded he do it, it's still rape. Whether or not drugs are involved doesn't matter.

You know I'm just doing this because you keep going back and forth about it.

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